---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/14/10: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:14 AM - Chat reminder for "Digesters" (George Race) 2. 05:35 PM - Re: Upgrade kit and Solid Rivets (Ron Lendon) 3. 10:24 PM - Landing gear turn around () 4. 10:37 PM - Re: Landing gear turn around (Paul Mulwitz) 5. 10:42 PM - Re: Landing gear turn around (Peter W Johnson) 6. 10:52 PM - Re: Landing gear turn around () 7. 11:12 PM - NOT a smoking gun, but a heads up () 8. 11:36 PM - Re: Landing gear turn around (Roger Pritchard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:26 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat reminder for "Digesters" Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT www.mykitairplane.com Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page. George ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Upgrade kit and Solid Rivets From: "Ron Lendon" Here is a link showing the tools I used, 1 ton Arbor Press, 3 lb rawhide hammer, faces from one of the hydraulic squeezers from ACS, and a rubber cushion. http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=1683&log=22316&row=347 Got the idea here: http://www.matronics.com/enclosures.html/HeatonHE@aol.com.05.07.2006/Wing_Spar_2_005.jpg Which are on the Matronics Photo Share. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286463#286463 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:08 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Landing gear turn around Hi all wise ones, I have 601XL with 183Hrs on the hobbs. I am busy with the upgrade, and decided to turn the gear around, flat side forward. I am hoping that the transistion to flight would be smoother, and I will be able to hold the nose gear off, for longer when landing. We have many very rough fields that we land on, and I have bottomed out the nose gear on several occasions. I believe that the latest plans call for the gear installed this way in anycase. Could someone please confirm this, as my plans are rather old. Now that I have turned the gear around, I tested it by standing on the step, and well, now it tips onto it's tail. Now unfortunately I did not test this, before turning the gear around. What I am trying to say is, is this going to be a problem, as I currently have the wings off, the prop off, and the spar carry thru is completely out of the plane. All of these components are in front of the gear CoG. Is there anyone out there with the wings off, and still has the landing gear flat side to the rear, that can stand on the step, to see if it tips backwards. Any help would be appreciated, as I would rather put the landing gear back, before I put the wings back on. Thnx Jonathan Starke ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:01 PM PST US From: "Paul Mulwitz" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Landing gear turn around Hi Johnathan, My copy of the plans shows the flat side forward. There is not a problem standing on the step with the engine and wings installed. I think you will find the nose a lot lighter on the ground with the gear installed this way. Paul Camas, WA Awaiting upgrade kit. From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jonathan@entry.co.za Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:23 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Landing gear turn around Hi all wise ones, I have 601XL with 183Hrs on the hobbs. I am busy with the upgrade, and decided to turn the gear around, flat side forward. I am hoping that the transistion to flight would be smoother, and I will be able to hold the nose gear off, for longer when landing. We have many very rough fields that we land on, and I have bottomed out the nose gear on several occasions. I believe that the latest plans call for the gear installed this way in anycase. Could someone please confirm this, as my plans are rather old. Now that I have turned the gear around, I tested it by standing on the step, and well, now it tips onto it's tail. Now unfortunately I did not test this, before turning the gear around. What I am trying to say is, is this going to be a problem, as I currently have the wings off, the prop off, and the spar carry thru is completely out of the plane. All of these components are in front of the gear CoG. Is there anyone out there with the wings off, and still has the landing gear flat side to the rear, that can stand on the step, to see if it tips backwards. Any help would be appreciated, as I would rather put the landing gear back, before I put the wings back on. Thnx Jonathan Starke ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:31 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Landing gear turn around Jonathan, I have my gear flat side forward (correct according to my 2008 plan set). My wings are off at the moment. I do have the prop, O-200 and the center section in and can't say I noticed any tipping. I can check tomorrow when I get to the hangar if you like. Can't help with the flat side to the rear though. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://zodiac.cpc-world.com From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jonathan@entry.co.za Sent: Monday, 15 February 2010 5:23 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Landing gear turn around Hi all wise ones, I have 601XL with 183Hrs on the hobbs. I am busy with the upgrade, and decided to turn the gear around, flat side forward. I am hoping that the transistion to flight would be smoother, and I will be able to hold the nose gear off, for longer when landing. We have many very rough fields that we land on, and I have bottomed out the nose gear on several occasions. I believe that the latest plans call for the gear installed this way in anycase. Could someone please confirm this, as my plans are rather old. Now that I have turned the gear around, I tested it by standing on the step, and well, now it tips onto it's tail. Now unfortunately I did not test this, before turning the gear around. What I am trying to say is, is this going to be a problem, as I currently have the wings off, the prop off, and the spar carry thru is completely out of the plane. All of these components are in front of the gear CoG. Is there anyone out there with the wings off, and still has the landing gear flat side to the rear, that can stand on the step, to see if it tips backwards. Any help would be appreciated, as I would rather put the landing gear back, before I put the wings back on. Thnx Jonathan Starke ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:08 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing gear turn around This will be great Peter, the only difference then will be the motor weight, I have a Rotax 912S, but if you see no tipping with the wings off, then I should be OK. (Maybe need to go on a diet as well, but that is another issue!) Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter W Johnson To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 8:37 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Landing gear turn around Jonathan, I have my gear flat side forward (correct according to my 2008 plan set). My wings are off at the moment. I do have the prop, O-200 and the center section in and can't say I noticed any tipping. I can check tomorrow when I get to the hangar if you like. Can't help with the flat side to the rear though. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://zodiac.cpc-world.com From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jonathan@entry.co.za Sent: Monday, 15 February 2010 5:23 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Landing gear turn around Hi all wise ones, I have 601XL with 183Hrs on the hobbs. I am busy with the upgrade, and decided to turn the gear around, flat side forward. I am hoping that the transistion to flight would be smoother, and I will be able to hold the nose gear off, for longer when landing. We have many very rough fields that we land on, and I have bottomed out the nose gear on several occasions. I believe that the latest plans call for the gear installed this way in anycase. Could someone please confirm this, as my plans are rather old. Now that I have turned the gear around, I tested it by standing on the step, and well, now it tips onto it's tail. Now unfortunately I did not test this, before turning the gear around. What I am trying to say is, is this going to be a problem, as I currently have the wings off, the prop off, and the spar carry thru is completely out of the plane. All of these components are in front of the gear CoG. Is there anyone out there with the wings off, and still has the landing gear flat side to the rear, that can stand on the step, to see if it tips backwards. Any help would be appreciated, as I would rather put the landing gear back, before I put the wings back on. Thnx Jonathan Starke http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:21 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: NOT a smoking gun, but a heads up Hi All, I have removed my landing gear, after 183Hrs on the hobs, to turn it around, and found that the front three rivits at the mounting point, on the underside, that goes into the landing gear channel. (At the very edge iof the bracket) had lost their heads. This was the case on both sides of the fuselage. There was no sign of direct movement, between the landing gear and the channel, but there must have been movement between the rubber (14/inch thick) and the bracket, that holds the landing gear in place. I have replaced the rubber with 1/4 rubber as before, but where it meets the underside channel, I have instlled a 1/4 inch softer rubber compond, that will NOT rub off the rivets heads, I hope. I have also re-notched (Because I have turned the gear around) the gear more accurately, and hope that there will be no more movement. Just a heads up, for those installing the gear, and for those thinking of turning the gear around, like I have done. Hope this helps Jonathan ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:07 PM PST US From: Roger Pritchard Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing gear turn around Johnathan, - I have the wings, canopee-& center spar out of my ac and it squated no mo re than 2" when I just put my 200 pounds on the step.- - Roger --- On Mon, 2/15/10, jonathan@entry.co.za wrote: From: jonathan@entry.co.za Subject: Zenith-List: Landing gear turn around Hi all wise ones, I have 601XL with 183Hrs on the hobbs. I am busy with the upgrade, and decided to turn the gear around, flat side forward. I am hoping that the transistion to flight would be smoother, and I will be able to hold the nos e gear off, for longer when landing. We have many very rough fields that we land on, and I have bottomed out the nose gear on several occasions. I believe that the latest plans call for the gear installed this way in anycase. Could someone please confirm this, as my plans are rather old. Now that I have turned the gear around, I tested it by standing on the step, an d well, now it tips onto it's tail. Now unfortunately I did not test this, before turning the gear around. What I am trying to say is, is this going t o be a problem, as I currently have the wings off, the prop off, and the spar carry thru is completely out of the plane. All of these components are in front of the gear CoG. Is there anyone out there with the wings off, and still has the landing gea r flat side to the rear, that can stand on the step, to see if it tips backwards. Any help would be appreciated, as I would rather put the landing gear back, before I put the wings back on. 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