---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/26/10: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:24 AM - Re: "You can't fight city hall" (n801bh@netzero.com) 2. 06:08 PM - Re: "You can't fight city hall" (Lawrence Webber) 3. 08:02 PM - Re: "You can't fight city hall" (Ron Lendon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:30 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: "You can't fight city hall" Altho I am not a 601/650 XL builder, I am a happy Zenith customer. Perso nally I have had doubts about the strength of the XL airframe since the Yuba City incident. The others could be explained away as possible pilot error... With that said the Heintz clan has now gone the extra mile to try to restore the faith of builders and future builders of the XL serie s. If they are really confident in the original design and now over the top confident in the modified design the ultimate way to showcase that i s a publicity 'stunt' kinda like they did building a 701 at an airshow a nd flew it that same week..... What I propose is something similar.... Get a bunch of us builder together at Oshkosh, we pitch in and buy a win g and fuselage kit, have it delivered to the Zenith booth, spend a few d ays assembling it in front of the crowds, and then flip it over and load it up with sandbags to destruction. If it holds up past the design limi t that will put to rest all concerns and Zenith will get a ton of free publicity out of it. I for one will chip in for my share and I will atte nd Osh to help in the build. The guys and gals at Zenith really need a s hot in the arm to get them back on the road to viability... Comments ???? do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "purplemoon99@bellsouth.net" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: "You can't fight city hall" I'am in,Ill help.JoeN101HD601XL From: aprazer Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 11:06:15 PM Subject: Zenith-List: "You can't fight city hall" Ladies and Gents, Reading everyone's comments about what should be done to put the XLs/650 s on sound footing and how it should be done -- shows great concern. I think that you all will agree with me that the Heintzs have performed to the utmost of their ability! It sounds like these tasks, litigation, etc., has strained their financial position. Now the FAA is asking for more blood? There is an old adage that states "You can't fight city hall" -- the FAA being city hall. We need someone with lots of horsepower and expertise to advise and ramr od this project. He/she won't be cheap! Also, I agree that in order to placate the FAA another airframe will hav e to be destroyed in testing. The successful outcome of this project will benefit us all because we'll have product that can be flown, sold without a heavy financial loss and liability, plus the Heintzs will remain in business to support us. There are many 601/650 drivers that have offered, on this site as well a s the Zenith Aero, monetary support and willingness to act as gophers in getting this problem resolved! This is going to cost a lot of money! I, for one, will throw my hat in the ring to volunteer as a gopher (if n eeded) and will support the cause financially. Mack Kreizenbeck -------- The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288254#288254 ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ========= ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=MgGc7DtqqkYAgK4_XUbAs QAAJ1HwQ8b1VOas4hI8eG3vvLZKAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQ wAAAAA ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:08 PM PST US From: Lawrence Webber Subject: RE: Zenith-List: "You can't fight city hall" Well said Ben you can count me in !!!! Larry Webber 601xl/corvair chugger/Rhode Island From: n801bh@netzero.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: "You can't fight city hall" Altho I am not a 601/650 XL builder=2C I am a happy Zenith customer. Person ally I have had doubts about the strength of the XL airframe since the Yuba City incident. The others could be explained away as possible pilot error. .. With that said the Heintz clan has now gone the extra mile to try to res tore the faith of builders and future builders of the XL series. If they ar e really confident in the original design and now over the top confident in the modified design the ultimate way to showcase that is a publicity 'stun t' kinda like they did building a 701 at an airshow and flew it that same w eek..... What I propose is something similar.... Get a bunch of us builder together at Oshkosh=2C we pitch in and buy a wing and fuselage kit=2C have it delivered to the Zenith booth=2C spend a few d ays assembling it in front of the crowds=2C and then flip it over and load it up with sandbags to destruction. If it holds up past the design limit th at will put to rest all concerns and Zenith will get a ton of free publici ty out of it. I for one will chip in for my share and I will attend Osh to help in the build. The guys and gals at Zenith really need a shot in the ar m to get them back on the road to viability... Comments ???? do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "purplemoon99@bellsouth.net" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: "You can't fight city hall" I'am in=2CIll help.JoeN101HD601XL From: aprazer Sent: Thu=2C February 25=2C 2010 11:06:15 PM Subject: Zenith-List: "You can't fight city hall" Ladies and Gents=2C Reading everyone's comments about what should be done to put the XLs/650s o n sound footing and how it should be done -- shows great concern. I think that you all will agree with me that the Heintzs have performed to the utmost of their ability! It sounds like these tasks=2C litigation=2C et c.=2C has strained their financial position. Now the FAA is asking for more blood? There is an old adage that states "You can't fight city hall" -- the FAA be ing city hall. We need someone with lots of horsepower and expertise to advise and ramrod this project. He/she won't be cheap! Also=2C I agree that in order to placate the FAA another airframe will have to be destroyed in testing. The successful outcome of this project will benefit us all because we'll ha ve product that can be flown=2C sold without a heavy financial loss and lia bility=2C plus the Heintzs will remain in business to support us. There are many 601/650 drivers that have offered=2C on this site as well as the Zenith Aero=2C monetary support and willingness to act as gophers in g etting this problem resolved! This is going to cost a lot of money! I=2C for one=2C will throw my hat in the ring to volunteer as a gopher (if needed) and will support the cause financially. Mack Kreizenbeck -------- The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288254#288254http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List tronics.com www.matronics.com/contribution ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:59 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: "You can't fight city hall" From: "Ron Lendon" Ben, Great idea, I'm in. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288449#288449 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.