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1. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio (Bill Pagan)
2. 10:51 AM - Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio (Scotsman)
3. 11:24 AM - Chat Reminder and Suggestion (George Race)
4. 12:01 PM - Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio (lwhitlow)
5. 02:19 PM - Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio (Sabrina)
6. 03:53 PM - Re: Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio (Gary Gower)
7. 04:29 PM - Re: Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio (n801bh@netzero.com)
8. 04:46 PM - Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio (Sabrina)
9. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio (n801bh@netzero.com)
10. 06:07 PM - Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio (PatrickW)
11. 07:35 PM - "Aside from that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?" (kkinney)
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| Subject: | Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio |
Bad day maybe - far from a bad landing.- I'd say under the circumstances
a great landing.=0A-Bill Pagan =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________
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| Subject: | Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio |
Good effort to the pilot...no one died and it looks like the aircraft is not that
badly damaged (relatively - nose gear and firewall replacement?).
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| Subject: | Chat Reminder and Suggestion |
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| Subject: | Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio |
Yes It was a good Landing and damage to the aircraft looks minimal
BUT!!!!!!
I look like this aircraft was flying without the mod kit.. The "T" shaped pieces
are not visible on the fuselage sides above the wing spar.
I'm concerned that people not doing the mod kit are going to cause bad things for
the fleet, like higher insurance and the like
Larry Whitlow
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| Subject: | Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio |
Larry, At first, I was thinking the same thing... but just because it does not
have the factory suggested kit, does not mean that it was not modified, look
what Piper did. As it stands now, my airplane will not have the side "T"s.
Has anyone else looked over the math/physics cited in the video recently posted
to rebut the FAA report?
P.S. Just this morning I learned I was 1 of only 23 female 2010 U.S. Physics Team
semi-finalists (+ 273 males = 296 total).
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| Subject: | Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio |
Hello Sabrina,
Glad to hear from you, CONGRATULATIONS, - we are all proud of you. -Bes
t of luck with the finals!!! -Keep us posted.
About the math/physics... -I was sure you were going to check it -:-)
-:-)Hope school homework will give you some free time... -some day.
Gary Gower.Got the Upgrade kit here! -Starting to work this week.
--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com> wrote:
From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio
Larry,- At first, I was thinking the same thing... but just because it do
es not have the factory suggested kit, does not mean that it was not modifi
ed, look what Piper did.---As it stands now, my airplane will not hav
e the side "T"s.
Has anyone else looked over the math/physics cited in the video recently po
sted to rebut the FAA report?-
P.S. Just this morning I learned I was 1 of only 23 female 2010 U.S. Physic
s Team semi-finalists- (+ 273 males = 296 total).
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| Subject: | Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio |
I know this is killing me,, but..
Congrats Sabrina on the semi finalists nomination...
For a few dollars I can arrange the old ' Tonya Harding/ Nancy Karrigan/
Jeff Gahoullie thing. One baseball bat can neutralize those other 22 gi
rls . < GGGGGGGGGGGGG>
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio
Larry, At first, I was thinking the same thing... but just because it d
oes not have the factory suggested kit, does not mean that it was not mo
dified, look what Piper did. As it stands now, my airplane will not ha
ve the side "T"s.
Has anyone else looked over the math/physics cited in the video recently
posted to rebut the FAA report?
P.S. Just this morning I learned I was 1 of only 23 female 2010 U.S. Phy
sics Team semi-finalists (+ 273 males = 296 total).
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| Subject: | Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio |
Since they pick 24 finalists, I was hoping all 23 girls would make the team.
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| Subject: | Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio |
Yeah.... I didn't think of that scenerio..... Scary thought though. <GG>
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio
Since they pick 24 finalists, I was hoping all 23 girls would make the t
eam.
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| Subject: | Re: Bad landing in southwest Ohio |
Pilot did a nice job in that situation.
He may have already had his airworthiness certificate before all the media hysteria.
So it's his decision. Will be interesting to see what develops.
- Patrick
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Patrick
XL/650/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | "Aside from that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?" |
(This quote courtesy of Dave Gallagher.)
As you've all seen from the photos, I landed off-field Saturday morning.
I was conducting a routine test flight and was about 1/3 way through my test script.
I got a low oil pressure reading and smoke in the cockpit.
I throttled to idle, hit best glide speed and turned toward the airport. I was
hoping I could make it.
The CO detector was nearly black, so I closed cabin heat and opened both vents.
The engine stopped, I picked a field and turned toward it.
Seeing I was going to overshoot the first field, I chose another. I was skating
on the edge of a stall at 50-100 feet. It took all my determination not to stretch
the glide. I had to grit my teeth and pushed the stick forward to speed
up.
This meant I scrubbed two sets of trees and took down a woven wire fence.
The nose wheel snagged the top 3 strands. This probably when the nose gear collapsed
and then I slid about 40 feet before stopping.
The left wingtip dragged. The gear must have taken a pretty serious hit as the
stainless brake drain valve snapped off. The rear tie-down hook was bent backwards.
The transponder antenna just aft of the main gear was bent backwards.
The rudder had wrinkles showing it had impacted.
There was no fuel leakage. I'm glad as I have (had) two gascolators just in hanging
down in front of the main gear.
The firewall was collapsed rearwards at the bottom, the nose wheel bent backwards
and twisted. Leading edges of wings & stabilizer has small dents. The left
wing had a large dent in the tank area that matched up with a flattened steel
post.
A large shallow crease formed along the left side of the fuse between the root
and aft wing connector. This indicated vertical compression, horizontal stretching
or both.
Further examination today showed buckling in both the bottom crosspieces aft of
the seats. There was more buckling near the rear attach point on the left side,
probably because the left tip dragged.
The cause? A split oil cooler return hose near the barbed connection.
The cause of the split? I used the 43.13 bend radius of 4 inches. I did not take
into account that it was more of a compound curve rather than a simple one
and should have used a larger bend radius.
With the new style oil cooler connectors and stainless hose, this probably wouldn't
have happened.
The FAA has classed this as an accident rather than incident as there was damage
to the firewall. Aside from that, I'm told there is likely to be no further
FAA action.
I'm learning all about aviation insurance claims. If anyone has any advice on
that, I'd love to hear it.
Regards,
Kevin Kinney
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