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| Subject: | Any Suggestions on a A&P PRep Course? |
Paul,
I call Bull%$#^% on this one. The FAA regs clearly state that if you work on any
aircraft and document 1800 hours of work, all you need is an endosment from
an A&P to take the test. So as a builder even on experimentals, log all your
time, even on maintenance, and when you get to 1800 hours, then decide if
you want to go for a certification, get the en dorsment and get the test done.
I will be happy to tell the FAA guy to show you in writing where he pulled
that statment from, i doubt he would comply.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net>
>Sent: Apr 17, 2010 7:36 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Any Suggestions on a A&P PRep Course?
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>Hi Jeff,
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>I spoke to an FAA guy at one of the shows on this point. He informed me the experience
needed to get an A&P license must be on certified planes. This precludes
work on Amateur built planes to qualify for the license. Also, it prevents
people who work on planes in the manufacturer's factory since they are not
yet certified.
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>Good luck,
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>Paul
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>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey J Paris
>Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 3:02 PM
>To: europa-list@matronics.com; zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Any Suggestions on a A&P PRep Course?
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>Hello Listers,
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>In the process of building two amateur built experimentals, which are a Zenith
Zodiac CH601XL and currently finishing up a Europa Monowheel Classic I have
accrued enough hours to convince my local FSDO to sign off on taking the Airframe
and Powerplant exams. Does anyone out in internet airplane building land
know of or can vouch for a quality A&P preparation course to satisfy all 3 parts
of the FAA A&P requirements i.e., written, oral and practical tests? Prefereably
somewhere close to Rochester, NY if possible?
>
>
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>Thanks for your time and consideration.
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>Jeff Paris
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| Subject: | Re: Any Suggestions on a A&P PRep Course? |
I have to agree with Juan on this one. I think the problem may be that some
FAA employees are not as familiar with the wording of the FARs as others.
FAR 65.77 states:
"Each applicant for a mechanic certificate or rating must present either an
appropriate graduation certificate or certificate of completion from a
certificated aviation maintenance technician school or documentary evidence,
satisfactory to the administrator, of -
(a) At least 18 months of practical experience with the procedures, practices,
materials, tools, and equipment generally used in constructing, maintaining,
or altering airframes, or powerplants appropriate to the rating sought; or
(b) At least 30 months of practical experience concurrently performing the
duties appropriate to both the airfram and powerplant ratings."
Nothing is said about how the aircraft is licensed. It could be part 23, part
25, experimental, etc etc.
Some years ago, when I went in to get a FSDO to certify me to take the A&P
exams, I brought a letter from the IA who had been supervising me. He
paraphrased paragraphs (a) and (b) above.
I don't want to name the FSDO, because I'm sure they have other people who are
well qualified, and what I got was an isolated experience. It was a well-lit
area, with offices in cubicles. One could hear what was going on in every other
cubicle.
The FAA guy who processed me told me that the letter I had did not reflect the
necessary experience. Knowing, that it did, I suggested we look in the FARs,
and find out what the letter should say, so I could get a correctly worded
letter.
The FAA employee fumbled a bit, and showed me the experience requirements for
a master parachute rigger.
"No," I said, "I believe those are the requirements for a master parachute
rigger's certificate. I'm seeking the A&P certificate. I believe that's located
in FAR 65.77."
At this point, all the noise coming from the other cubicles stopped. It was
clear the other FAA employees were enjoying the situation.
The person reviewing my experience probably set a new speed record for filling
out paperwork, and getting me out of there.
Moral: The FAA is generally a good bunch of guys and gals. But there are a few
who must demonstrate their authority by saying "no." Some of these really
don't know the FARs all that well. Know the FARs, and make sure your
experience letter states exactly what the FARs require.
My guess is that the FAA guy Paul talked with isn't familiar with that part of
the FARs.
On Saturday 24 April 2010 09:58:08 you wrote:
<snip>
> The FAA regs clearly state that if you work
> on any aircraft and document 1800 hours of work, all you need is an
> endosment from an A&P to take the test. So as a builder even on
> experimentals, log all your time, even on maintenance, and when you get
> to 1800 hours, then decide if you want to go for a certification, get
> the en dorsment and get the test done. I will be happy to tell the FAA
> guy to show you in writing where he pulled that statment from, i doubt he
> would comply.
>
> Juan
<snip>
> >I spoke to an FAA guy at one of the shows on this point. He informed me
> > the experience needed to get an A&P license must be on certified planes.
> > This precludes work on Amateur built planes to qualify for the license.
> > Also, it prevents people who work on planes in the manufacturer's factory
> > since they are not yet certified.
> >Good luck,
> >Paul
<snip>
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Jim B. Belcher
BS,MS Physics
A&P/IA
General Radio Telephone Certificate
Instrument Rated Pilot
Retired Aerospace Technical Manager
Semi-proficient Househusband
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