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1. 04:57 AM - Re: First Flight (Peter W Johnson)
2. 07:40 AM - Fw: Corvair 601 Spinner (Carroll Jernigan)
3. 07:40 AM - Chat Reminder for "Digesters" (George Race)
4. 08:25 AM - Re: Fw: Corvair 601 Spinner (jaybannist@cs.com)
5. 10:10 AM - Seat back material (mversteeg)
6. 10:41 AM - Re: Seat back material (jaybannist@cs.com)
7. 11:56 AM - Re: Seat back material (Larry McFarland)
8. 12:33 PM - Re: Seat back material (Bryan Martin)
9. 12:39 PM - GSC propeller (Klaus Truemper)
10. 01:46 PM - Re: Seat back material (PatrickW)
11. 04:12 PM - Re: Seat back material (Peter Chapman)
12. 04:35 PM - Re: Seat back material (Juan Vega)
13. 04:43 PM - PAINT (Bob McArdle)
14. 04:51 PM - Re: Seat back material (Phil Maxson)
15. 05:08 PM - Re: PAINT (Paul Mulwitz)
16. 05:27 PM - Re: Seat back material (mversteeg)
17. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Seat back material (Gary Ray)
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Clive,
Thanks. I have set the pitch to 11 degrees at present and seems about right.
I'll keep an eye on it and maybe change it again after a few more hours.
I wasn't aware of the 1000rpm min idle speed but I keep mine more than that
anyway (C150 many years ago!!). I have noticed its pretty easy to fat taxi
the XL.
I'm still loving it!!!
Cheers
Peter
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clive Richards
Sent: Saturday, 24 April 2010 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight
Peter Congratulations on first flight
We used 13 degrees with a 66 inch 3
blade on Rays 601 HD so it should be less than that.
Are you aware that Warp Drive recommend a minimum idle speed of 1000 rpm to
prevent the blade route aluminium ferrules from cracking from engine pulses
we did not and they replaced our blades.
We have now changed to a 66x52 wooden prop as 1000 rpm
gives a high taxi speed, our original prop was a 68 inch but found the
ground clearance insufficient on the HD
Clive
G CBDG 601 Hd Cont 0-200 350 Hrs
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From: Peter W Johnson <mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:30 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight
Hi Guys,
A good day today, my 601XL completed its first flight today with no
problems. I had the elevator trim wired incorrectly and up was down, down
was up which made for an interesting flight. I also need to re-pitch the
prop a bit to give a bit more rpm on takeoff.
I'll post a couple of pics later.
Anybody out there using a 68" three blade warp drive on an O-200, I would be
interested to know what pitch angle the prop is set to.
What a beautiful airplane to fly, Keep at it guys.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia.
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| Subject: | Fwd: Corvair 601 Spinner |
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Carroll Jernigan <trainnut01@aol.com>
> Date: April 25, 2010 2:45:08 AM EDT
> Subject: Corvair 601 Spinner
>
> Help
>
> I have the Van's 13 in spinner for my Corvair/ 601. I have the Van's
> rear bulkhead and the WW front bulkhead, It all fits nice, but how
> many screws does it take to hold it on, Vans sent 50 screws with the
> spinner but only 25 nut-plates. I have seen the spinner installed
> with as few as 6 screws in the rear bulkhead and none in the front
> bulkhead. I have also seen them with many more in the rear bulkhead
> and a few in the front bulkhead. There is no available information
> from Van's or WW that I can find. Is any one currently flying this
> setup and how did you install it?
>
> Thanks
>
> Carroll Jernigan
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Corvair 601 Spinner |
Carroll,
I used plate nuts and flat head screws with finishing washers. I think I
used 12 on the rear bulkhead and 6 on the front bulkhead. I set up a las
er pointed at a dot on the tip of the spinner to help align the spinner wi
th no wobble, to establish where to drill for fasteners.
Jay Bannister
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From: Carroll Jernigan <trainnut01@aol.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 25, 2010 9:28 am
Subject: Zenith-List: Fwd: Corvair 601 Spinner
Begin forwarded message:
From: Carroll Jernigan <trainnut01@aol.com>
Subject: Corvair 601 Spinner
Help
I have the Van's 13 in spinner for my Corvair/ 601. I have the Van's rear
bulkhead and the WW front bulkhead, It all fits nice, but how many screws
does it take to hold it on, Vans sent 50 screws with the spinner but only
25 nut-plates. I have seen the spinner installed with as few as 6 screws
in the rear bulkhead and none in the front bulkhead. I have also seen the
m with many more in the rear bulkhead and a few in the front bulkhead. The
re is no available information from Van's or WW that I can find. Is any on
e currently flying this setup and how did you install it?
Thanks
Carroll Jernigan
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| Subject: | Seat back material |
Hello All,
A question, the seat-backs are not mentioned in the plan or builders guide
at all, what material should I use. I though about word, plywood, how
thick would be sufficient?
Any experience with suitable material, some other kind of board?
maarten,
plans building 601xl: N581SL
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back material |
Maarten,
Here is what I did. That's 1/4" plywood, aircraft grade, of course (;>)
from the aircraft section at Lowe's.
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: mversteeg <maarten.versteeg@swri.org>
Sent: Sun, Apr 25, 2010 12:08 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Seat back material
Hello All,
A question, the seat-backs are not mentioned in the plan or builders guide
at all, what material should I use. I though about word, plywood, how
thick would be sufficient?
Any experience with suitable material, some other kind of board?
maarten,
plans building 601xl: N581SL
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back material |
Hi Marten,
I did a plywood back insert for the seats with a 1/4-inch plywood
finished both sides.
The thing I'd recommend with this kind of process is keeping the back as
thin as possible.
I went with 2-inch total thickness and should have gone with a 1-inch
back because taller
people do better with the extra inch back clearance. I could have shown
the plywood slips
into an envelope sewn into the back and the retainer channel hangs out
to grab the seat in place .
No other fasteners are needed. See the link below for pictures of how the
seat was done. Click on the picture to get a larger image.
www.macsmachine.com/html/seatupholstery.htm
Good luck,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
mversteeg wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> A question, the seat-backs are not mentioned in the plan or builders
> guide
> at all, what material should I use. I though about word, plywood, how
> thick would be sufficient?
> Any experience with suitable material, some other kind of board?
>
> maarten,
> plans building 601xl: N581SL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back material |
I had some 3/16 plywood flooring laminate that I used for the seat backs. I used
a piece of aluminum L riveted to these and bent down over the top of the baggage
shelf lip to hold them in place, similar to the way Jay did his.
>
> Hello All,
>
> A question, the seat-backs are not mentioned in the plan or builders guide
> at all, what material should I use. I though about word, plywood, how
> thick would be sufficient?
> Any experience with suitable material, some other kind of board?
>
> maarten,
> plans building 601xl: N581SL
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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Hi,
Due to switch to Sensenich propeller, have:
3-blade GSC wood propeller, 67 in. dia, for
Rotax 912 engine.
Includes hub, 3 blades with leading edge
protection, Alu spinner, Alu backplate for spinner,
and all hardware.
Blades have been recently refinished and balanced,
and are in excellent condition. But due to the
time in service, the blades MUST be sent to
GSC for airworthiness inspection before
any further use.
Total time in service: 15 years, 1200 hrs.
All available for cost of shipping.
Contact me for photo.
Happy flying,
Klaus
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back material |
Ditto here. 1/4" plywood. I think it came from one of the Zenith crates, so it's
"real" aviation quality...
Patrick
N63PZ
650-B/Corvair
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295663#295663
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back material |
Since everyone is mentioning plywood, I'll mention the different (but
not necessarily better) solution my dad and I tried, that's worked
fine for years:
2 layers of fibreglass enclosing a core of 3/8" foam board
Weight for one seatback was about 1.25 lbs, while I calculated 3/8"
plywood would weigh very roughly 2.5 lbs each. Others were mentioning
using a lighter 1/4" plywood, where the fibreglass weight advantage
would be much smaller.
So the fibreglass & foam method can save a little weight but clearly
takes more time to build.
A bigger factor in seat weight is that of all the foam, particularly
when using the heavy Confor foam.
Peter Chapman
Toronto, ON 601 HDS / 912 / C-GZDC
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back material |
mine is 1/8 inch.
juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: mversteeg <maarten.versteeg@swri.org>
>Sent: Apr 25, 2010 1:08 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Seat back material
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>A question, the seat-backs are not mentioned in the plan or builders guide
>at all, what material should I use. I though about word, plywood, how
>thick would be sufficient?
>Any experience with suitable material, some other kind of board?
>
>maarten,
>plans building 601xl: N581SL
>
>
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For those who have painted their plane. Approx how much paint(Exterior
primer and top coat) is needed. I am looking at one part acrylic enamel
as being the least expensive.
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back material |
My plane has two aluminum panels slightly larger than the opening with two L angles
for stiffeners. Three screws hang it from the luggage rack. It's light weight
and works great.
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
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Hi Bob,
I only painted part of my Zodiac, so I don't really know the answer to your
question.
I am concerned about your choice of paint. Aluminum is notorious for being
difficult to paint - the paint just doesn't want to stick. On the parts I
did, I started with self etching primer. Then I followed with two part
epoxy primer and two part acrylic enamel. I think each of these paints
got two or three very thin coats. All of these products came from the auto
paint store.
I also used the epoxy primer as a single cover for many of the steel parts.
On the really visible ones (like the center stick) I added flat black top
coat from shake-cans.
If you want to try using house paint on your plane I strongly suggest you
experiment with it on scraps or non-critical areas first. You may find the
choice you made just doesn't stick well enough to last more than a few days.
It may chip off if you look at it funny. This kind of testing is very
important whenever you use a paint on something it wasn't designed for or on
top of a coat of paint with unknown compatibility.
Good luck,
Paul
XL installing upgrade
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob McArdle
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 4:41 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: PAINT
For those who have painted their plane. Approx how much paint(Exterior
primer and top coat) is needed. I am looking at one part acrylic enamel as
being the least expensive.
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back material |
Thanks, 1/4 inch plywood with aluminum clips seems the way to go,
I will try to keep the cover as thin as possible, I am only 6 foot 1 but
I have very short legs and hence a long back to I don't have too much
margin to play with.
This morning I also sat for the first time in my plane (and made the
required airplane noises). Even though I just has a tiny cushion on the
bottom the shape of the seat was quite comfortable so I may be able
to keep the foam thin.
maarten,
plans building 601xl: N581SL
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Maarten Versteeg Southwest Research Institute
Phone: (210)522-5029 P.O. Drawer 28510
Fax: (210)522-5499 San Antonio, TX 78228-0510
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back material |
You can go thinner than 1/4 inch. Lowes aircraft isle has birch plywood
that is either 1/8 or 3/16 and quite stiff and light.
I used this without regrets. I made panels that slide in from the top down.
A small section that rests on the center console is all that keeps it from
sliding too far down while the other side rests against the outer side
panels.
I also used this for the side panels coverd first in a thin sheet of dacron
appolstery padding then the fabric attached on the backside with contact
cement. Velcro assists the side panels maintain their position.
I have a picture up at
http://picasaweb.google.com/Papawobo/Variations#
This works well but is not a beautiful as the refined leather interior that
many have done.
Gary Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "mversteeg" <maarten.versteeg@swri.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:20 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Seat back material
>
> Thanks, 1/4 inch plywood with aluminum clips seems the way to go,
> I will try to keep the cover as thin as possible, I am only 6 foot 1 but
> I have very short legs and hence a long back to I don't have too much
> margin to play with.
> This morning I also sat for the first time in my plane (and made the
> required airplane noises). Even though I just has a tiny cushion on the
> bottom the shape of the seat was quite comfortable so I may be able
> to keep the foam thin.
>
> maarten,
> plans building 601xl: N581SL
>
> --
> Maarten Versteeg Southwest Research Institute
> Phone: (210)522-5029 P.O. Drawer 28510
> Fax: (210)522-5499 San Antonio, TX 78228-0510
>
>
>
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