---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/25/10: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:57 AM - Re: First Flight (Peter W Johnson) 2. 07:40 AM - Fw: Corvair 601 Spinner (Carroll Jernigan) 3. 07:40 AM - Chat Reminder for "Digesters" (George Race) 4. 08:25 AM - Re: Fw: Corvair 601 Spinner (jaybannist@cs.com) 5. 10:10 AM - Seat back material (mversteeg) 6. 10:41 AM - Re: Seat back material (jaybannist@cs.com) 7. 11:56 AM - Re: Seat back material (Larry McFarland) 8. 12:33 PM - Re: Seat back material (Bryan Martin) 9. 12:39 PM - GSC propeller (Klaus Truemper) 10. 01:46 PM - Re: Seat back material (PatrickW) 11. 04:12 PM - Re: Seat back material (Peter Chapman) 12. 04:35 PM - Re: Seat back material (Juan Vega) 13. 04:43 PM - PAINT (Bob McArdle) 14. 04:51 PM - Re: Seat back material (Phil Maxson) 15. 05:08 PM - Re: PAINT (Paul Mulwitz) 16. 05:27 PM - Re: Seat back material (mversteeg) 17. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Seat back material (Gary Ray) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:39 AM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: First Flight Clive, Thanks. I have set the pitch to 11 degrees at present and seems about right. I'll keep an eye on it and maybe change it again after a few more hours. I wasn't aware of the 1000rpm min idle speed but I keep mine more than that anyway (C150 many years ago!!). I have noticed its pretty easy to fat taxi the XL. I'm still loving it!!! Cheers Peter From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clive Richards Sent: Saturday, 24 April 2010 5:58 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight Peter Congratulations on first flight We used 13 degrees with a 66 inch 3 blade on Rays 601 HD so it should be less than that. Are you aware that Warp Drive recommend a minimum idle speed of 1000 rpm to prevent the blade route aluminium ferrules from cracking from engine pulses we did not and they replaced our blades. We have now changed to a 66x52 wooden prop as 1000 rpm gives a high taxi speed, our original prop was a 68 inch but found the ground clearance insufficient on the HD Clive G CBDG 601 Hd Cont 0-200 350 Hrs ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter W Johnson Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:30 AM Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight Hi Guys, A good day today, my 601XL completed its first flight today with no problems. I had the elevator trim wired incorrectly and up was down, down was up which made for an interesting flight. I also need to re-pitch the prop a bit to give a bit more rpm on takeoff. I'll post a couple of pics later. Anybody out there using a 68" three blade warp drive on an O-200, I would be interested to know what pitch angle the prop is set to. What a beautiful airplane to fly, Keep at it guys. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia. http://zodiac.cpc-world.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:16 AM PST US From: Carroll Jernigan Subject: Zenith-List: Fwd: Corvair 601 Spinner Begin forwarded message: > From: Carroll Jernigan > Date: April 25, 2010 2:45:08 AM EDT > Subject: Corvair 601 Spinner > > Help > > I have the Van's 13 in spinner for my Corvair/ 601. I have the Van's > rear bulkhead and the WW front bulkhead, It all fits nice, but how > many screws does it take to hold it on, Vans sent 50 screws with the > spinner but only 25 nut-plates. I have seen the spinner installed > with as few as 6 screws in the rear bulkhead and none in the front > bulkhead. I have also seen them with many more in the rear bulkhead > and a few in the front bulkhead. There is no available information > from Van's or WW that I can find. Is any one currently flying this > setup and how did you install it? > > Thanks > > Carroll Jernigan ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:16 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Reminder for "Digesters" Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT www.mykitairplane.com Check out my line of items for Experimental Airplane Builders My Products: www.mykitairplane.com/Products/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fwd: Corvair 601 Spinner From: jaybannist@cs.com Carroll, I used plate nuts and flat head screws with finishing washers. I think I used 12 on the rear bulkhead and 6 on the front bulkhead. I set up a las er pointed at a dot on the tip of the spinner to help align the spinner wi th no wobble, to establish where to drill for fasteners. Jay Bannister -----Original Message----- From: Carroll Jernigan Sent: Sun, Apr 25, 2010 9:28 am Subject: Zenith-List: Fwd: Corvair 601 Spinner Begin forwarded message: From: Carroll Jernigan Subject: Corvair 601 Spinner Help I have the Van's 13 in spinner for my Corvair/ 601. I have the Van's rear bulkhead and the WW front bulkhead, It all fits nice, but how many screws does it take to hold it on, Vans sent 50 screws with the spinner but only 25 nut-plates. I have seen the spinner installed with as few as 6 screws in the rear bulkhead and none in the front bulkhead. I have also seen the m with many more in the rear bulkhead and a few in the front bulkhead. The re is no available information from Van's or WW that I can find. Is any on e currently flying this setup and how did you install it? Thanks Carroll Jernigan ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:08 AM PST US From: mversteeg Subject: Zenith-List: Seat back material Hello All, A question, the seat-backs are not mentioned in the plan or builders guide at all, what material should I use. I though about word, plywood, how thick would be sufficient? Any experience with suitable material, some other kind of board? maarten, plans building 601xl: N581SL ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat back material From: jaybannist@cs.com Maarten, Here is what I did. That's 1/4" plywood, aircraft grade, of course (;>) from the aircraft section at Lowe's. Jay -----Original Message----- From: mversteeg Sent: Sun, Apr 25, 2010 12:08 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Seat back material Hello All, A question, the seat-backs are not mentioned in the plan or builders guide at all, what material should I use. I though about word, plywood, how thick would be sufficient? Any experience with suitable material, some other kind of board? maarten, plans building 601xl: N581SL ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:11 AM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat back material Hi Marten, I did a plywood back insert for the seats with a 1/4-inch plywood finished both sides. The thing I'd recommend with this kind of process is keeping the back as thin as possible. I went with 2-inch total thickness and should have gone with a 1-inch back because taller people do better with the extra inch back clearance. I could have shown the plywood slips into an envelope sewn into the back and the retainer channel hangs out to grab the seat in place . No other fasteners are needed. See the link below for pictures of how the seat was done. Click on the picture to get a larger image. www.macsmachine.com/html/seatupholstery.htm Good luck, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com mversteeg wrote: > > Hello All, > > A question, the seat-backs are not mentioned in the plan or builders > guide > at all, what material should I use. I though about word, plywood, how > thick would be sufficient? > Any experience with suitable material, some other kind of board? > > maarten, > plans building 601xl: N581SL > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:53 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat back material I had some 3/16 plywood flooring laminate that I used for the seat backs. I used a piece of aluminum L riveted to these and bent down over the top of the baggage shelf lip to hold them in place, similar to the way Jay did his. > > Hello All, > > A question, the seat-backs are not mentioned in the plan or builders guide > at all, what material should I use. I though about word, plywood, how > thick would be sufficient? > Any experience with suitable material, some other kind of board? > > maarten, > plans building 601xl: N581SL -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:25 PM PST US From: Klaus Truemper Subject: Zenith-List: GSC propeller Hi, Due to switch to Sensenich propeller, have: 3-blade GSC wood propeller, 67 in. dia, for Rotax 912 engine. Includes hub, 3 blades with leading edge protection, Alu spinner, Alu backplate for spinner, and all hardware. Blades have been recently refinished and balanced, and are in excellent condition. But due to the time in service, the blades MUST be sent to GSC for airworthiness inspection before any further use. Total time in service: 15 years, 1200 hrs. All available for cost of shipping. Contact me for photo. Happy flying, Klaus ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:13 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Seat back material From: "PatrickW" Ditto here. 1/4" plywood. I think it came from one of the Zenith crates, so it's "real" aviation quality... Patrick N63PZ 650-B/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295663#295663 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:55 PM PST US From: Peter Chapman Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat back material Since everyone is mentioning plywood, I'll mention the different (but not necessarily better) solution my dad and I tried, that's worked fine for years: 2 layers of fibreglass enclosing a core of 3/8" foam board Weight for one seatback was about 1.25 lbs, while I calculated 3/8" plywood would weigh very roughly 2.5 lbs each. Others were mentioning using a lighter 1/4" plywood, where the fibreglass weight advantage would be much smaller. So the fibreglass & foam method can save a little weight but clearly takes more time to build. A bigger factor in seat weight is that of all the foam, particularly when using the heavy Confor foam. Peter Chapman Toronto, ON 601 HDS / 912 / C-GZDC ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:46 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat back material mine is 1/8 inch. juan -----Original Message----- >From: mversteeg >Sent: Apr 25, 2010 1:08 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Seat back material > > >Hello All, > >A question, the seat-backs are not mentioned in the plan or builders guide >at all, what material should I use. I though about word, plywood, how >thick would be sufficient? >Any experience with suitable material, some other kind of board? > >maarten, >plans building 601xl: N581SL > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:54 PM PST US From: "Bob McArdle" Subject: Zenith-List: PAINT For those who have painted their plane. Approx how much paint(Exterior primer and top coat) is needed. I am looking at one part acrylic enamel as being the least expensive. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:13 PM PST US From: "Phil Maxson " Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat back material My plane has two aluminum panels slightly larger than the opening with two L angles for stiffeners. Three screws hang it from the luggage rack. It's light weight and works great. Phil Maxson 601XL/Corvair Northwest New Jersey ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:32 PM PST US From: "Paul Mulwitz" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: PAINT Hi Bob, I only painted part of my Zodiac, so I don't really know the answer to your question. I am concerned about your choice of paint. Aluminum is notorious for being difficult to paint - the paint just doesn't want to stick. On the parts I did, I started with self etching primer. Then I followed with two part epoxy primer and two part acrylic enamel. I think each of these paints got two or three very thin coats. All of these products came from the auto paint store. I also used the epoxy primer as a single cover for many of the steel parts. On the really visible ones (like the center stick) I added flat black top coat from shake-cans. If you want to try using house paint on your plane I strongly suggest you experiment with it on scraps or non-critical areas first. You may find the choice you made just doesn't stick well enough to last more than a few days. It may chip off if you look at it funny. This kind of testing is very important whenever you use a paint on something it wasn't designed for or on top of a coat of paint with unknown compatibility. Good luck, Paul XL installing upgrade From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob McArdle Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 4:41 PM Subject: Zenith-List: PAINT For those who have painted their plane. Approx how much paint(Exterior primer and top coat) is needed. I am looking at one part acrylic enamel as being the least expensive. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:25 PM PST US From: mversteeg Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Seat back material Thanks, 1/4 inch plywood with aluminum clips seems the way to go, I will try to keep the cover as thin as possible, I am only 6 foot 1 but I have very short legs and hence a long back to I don't have too much margin to play with. This morning I also sat for the first time in my plane (and made the required airplane noises). Even though I just has a tiny cushion on the bottom the shape of the seat was quite comfortable so I may be able to keep the foam thin. maarten, plans building 601xl: N581SL -- Maarten Versteeg Southwest Research Institute Phone: (210)522-5029 P.O. Drawer 28510 Fax: (210)522-5499 San Antonio, TX 78228-0510 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:21 PM PST US From: "Gary Ray" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Seat back material You can go thinner than 1/4 inch. Lowes aircraft isle has birch plywood that is either 1/8 or 3/16 and quite stiff and light. I used this without regrets. I made panels that slide in from the top down. A small section that rests on the center console is all that keeps it from sliding too far down while the other side rests against the outer side panels. I also used this for the side panels coverd first in a thin sheet of dacron appolstery padding then the fabric attached on the backside with contact cement. Velcro assists the side panels maintain their position. I have a picture up at http://picasaweb.google.com/Papawobo/Variations# This works well but is not a beautiful as the refined leather interior that many have done. Gary Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "mversteeg" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:20 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Seat back material > > Thanks, 1/4 inch plywood with aluminum clips seems the way to go, > I will try to keep the cover as thin as possible, I am only 6 foot 1 but > I have very short legs and hence a long back to I don't have too much > margin to play with. > This morning I also sat for the first time in my plane (and made the > required airplane noises). Even though I just has a tiny cushion on the > bottom the shape of the seat was quite comfortable so I may be able > to keep the foam thin. > > maarten, > plans building 601xl: N581SL > > -- > Maarten Versteeg Southwest Research Institute > Phone: (210)522-5029 P.O. Drawer 28510 > Fax: (210)522-5499 San Antonio, TX 78228-0510 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.