---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/29/10: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:13 AM - Re: Re: counterweight (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 2. 06:06 AM - Rotec TBI on Corvair (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 3. 06:08 AM - Re: counterweight (afterfxllc@aol.com) 4. 12:54 PM - Rotec Tbi on a Corvair (afterfxllc@aol.com) 5. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: counterweight (Paul Mulwitz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:17 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: counterweight I have done 4 of these now and if you try and make it fit while it is held in place with cleco's it won't be the same once riveted. the tightening of the hinge to the rear spar changes the angle of the aileron and if it is set at 97 degrees it will give you about 1/2 of an inch clearance once rigged and the most important thing to do is set the deflection properly 11.5 +/- 1 degree. I set my new ribs 227 mm and not the 327 called for in the plans and that gives good clearance at the tips. I don't agree with the hinge less ailerons having counter weights so all my ailerons are converted to hinged. And you can still pull the pin and test fit the aileron counterweight arm as it will be and not just held with cleco's. I have also taken some pictures of the hinge less conversion and will post them soon. Jeff ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:42 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Rotec TBI on Corvair I have installed the Rotec TBI on my 601 with a corvair and after a lot of ground running it works very well. I have made a very tight air box with carb heat. I plan to fly this in the morning. I added an electric primer to the intake logs and three short pushes of the primer gives me a half blade start. I have been running this without a filter so it will more than likely run a little richer and better with a filter. If some one can post this to corvaircraft to let them know of the Rotec feel free. Jeff ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:18 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: counterweight From: afterfxllc@aol.com I have done 4 of these now and if you try and make it fit while it is held in place with cleco's it won't be the same once riveted. the tightening of the hinge to the rear spar changes the angle of the aileron and if it is set at 97 degrees it will give you about 1/2 of an inch clearance once rigged and the most important thing to do is set the deflection properly 11.5 +/- 1 degree. I set my new ribs 227 mm and not the 327 called for in the plans and that gives good clearance at the tips. I don't agree with the hinge less ailerons having counter weights so all my ailerons are con verted to hinged. And you can still pull the pin and test fit the aileron counterweight arm as it will be and not just held with cleco's. I have also taken some pictures of the hinge less conversion and will post them soon. Jeff ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:04 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Rotec Tbi on a Corvair From: afterfxllc@aol.com I have installed the Rotec TBI on my 601 with a corvair and after a lot of ground running it works very well. I have made a very tight air box with carb heat. I plan to fly this in the morning. I added an electric primer to the intake logs and three short pushes of the primer gives me a half blade start. I have been running this without a filter so it will more th an likely run a little richer and better with a filter. If some one can post this to corvaircraft to let them know of the Rotec fe el free. Jeff ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:25 PM PST US From: "Paul Mulwitz" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: counterweight Hi Jeff, Your post really confused me. My comments, and I presume some of the other folks' comments on this subject, were meant to apply to hingeless ailerons. I really don't know what happens to hinged ailerons in this process. Still, I don't understand why Clecos yield different results from rivets. Perhaps you are not applying the Clecos to the same point as the final rivets? Why do think there is a problem with counter weights being used with hingeless ailerons? This is what the upgrade design specifically calls for. Thanks, Paul From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Afterfxllc@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: counterweight I have done 4 of these now and if you try and make it fit while it is held in place with cleco's it won't be the same once riveted. the tightening of the hinge to the rear spar changes the angle of the aileron and if it is set at 97 degrees it will give you about 1/2 of an inch clearance once rigged and the most important thing to do is set the deflection properly 11.5 +/- 1 degree. I set my new ribs 227 mm and not the 327 called for in the plans and that gives good clearance at the tips. I don't agree with the hinge less ailerons having counter weights so all my ailerons are converted to hinged. And you can still pull the pin and test fit the aileron counterweight arm as it will be and not just held with cleco's. I have also taken some pictures of the hinge less conversion and will post them soon. 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