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1. 06:56 AM - 601XL To 651XL (crvsecretary@aol.com)
2. 07:57 AM - Re: 601XL To 651XL (Bill Pagan)
3. 10:13 AM - Found anything out of the ordinary? (Dave)
4. 01:07 PM - Re: 601XL To 651XL (Bryan Martin)
5. 05:05 PM - Lil Bruiser (jaybannist@cs.com)
6. 05:12 PM - Re: Found anything out of the ordinary? (DaveG601XL)
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Listers:
I'm sure this has been talked to death in the past, but I'm just finally
getting started to resume building my 604XL and I'd like to verify some
assumptions I have with the brain trust here on this list. I stopped bu
ilding my 601XL when I felt there was a good chance mandated upgrades woul
d be coming, and I was right. I have the upgrade kit and, since I stopped
building 1/2 way through the right wing I'm in a very good place to rewor
k the spars with a minimum of disassembly. However, going forward, I need
to make a few choices, and I'm pretty certain the official upgrade to a
651XL will be a good step with regards to product acceptance, insurabilit
y, and possibly resale when I'm too old to fly.
>From what I think to be true:
- I need a new set of plans from Zenith. If I give them my old serial num
ber they may cut me a deal on a new set of plans.......
- I'll have to scrap my rudder and build a new one for the 651XL
- I do not have to do any changes to my horizontal stabilizer or the wings
once I complete the upgrade
- I'll order the 651 fuselage,canopy,and landing gear kits,
and I'll be flying in about 10 years....LOL !
Can anyone set me straight on anything incorrect and how I can/should fix
it?
As always, I appreciate all of you out there that dedicate the time and kn
owledge that make this board so very helpful to us all.
And, Congratulations Sabrina on making the front page ! Can you post a li
nk to the complete article? The link previously posted did not work when
I tried it.
Again, thanks in advance..
Tracy Smith
601XL N458XL (reserved)
Middletown, CT
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL To 651XL |
Hey Tracy,=0A=0AIt's actually a 650 not a 651.- Zenith will upgrade your
plans to a 650 for $125.- You actually don't have to change the rudder as
it will fit but the rudders are different.- The new (upgraded) 650 plans
don't appear to be available yet as per Shirley last week.=0A=0A=0A-Bill
Pagan =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "crvse
cretary@aol.com" <crvsecretary@aol.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0AS
ent: Sun, May 2, 2010 9:19:53 AM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: 601XL To 651XL=0A
=0AListers:=0A=0AI'm sure this has been talked to death in the past, but I'
m just finally getting started to resume building my 604XL and I'd like to
verify some assumptions I have with the brain trust here on this list.-
- I stopped building my 601XL when I felt there was a good chance mandate
d upgrades would be coming, and I was right.- I have the upgrade kit and,
since I stopped building 1/2 way through the right wing I'm in a very good
place to rework the spars with a minimum of disassembly.- However, going
forward, I need to make a few choices, and I'm pretty certain the official
upgrade to a 651XL will be a good step with regards to product acceptance,
insurability, and possibly resale when I'm too old to fly.=0A=0A>From what
I think to be true:=0A=0A- I need a new set of plans from Zenith.- If I
give them my old serial number they may cut me a deal on a new set of plans
.......=0A- I'll have to scrap my rudder and build a new one for the 651XL
=0A- I do not have to do any changes to my horizontal stabilizer or the win
gs once I complete the upgrade=0A- I'll order the 651 fuselage,canopy,and l
anding gear kits, =0A=0Aand I'll be flying in about 10 years....LOL !=0A=0A
Can anyone set me straight on anything incorrect and how I can/should fix i
t?=0A=0AAs always, I appreciate all of you out there that dedicate the time
and knowledge that make this board so very helpful to us all.=0A=0AAnd, Co
ngratulations Sabrina on making the front page !- Can you post a link to
the complete article?- The link previously posted did not work when I tri
ed it.=0A=0AAgain, thanks in advance..=0A=0ATracy Smith=0A601XL N458XL (res
=========================0A
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| Subject: | Found anything out of the ordinary? |
I'm sure there have been many update conversions completed by now. I'm
wondering, has anyone found anything bent, pulled, loose or otherwise
different than when you first assembled your aircraft? I may have missed
posts on the issue over the last few months but feel the info relevant in
finding a smoking gun..
Dave 601-HD 912ULS
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL To 651XL |
The only difference between the old rudder and the new rudder is the sweep back
angle. This change is purely cosmetic and provides no aerodynamic improvement
and no improvement to performance. In fact, the less sweep back the vertical
stabilizer has, the better it will function at the speeds this airplane flys at.
Cessna actually lost some performance on their airplanes when they started
sweeping the vertical tails back on them because they had to make them larger
to overcome the loss in efficiency. The larger tail has more drag. The change
was made to improve the looks of the airplane.
On May 2, 2010, at 9:19 AM, crvsecretary@aol.com wrote:
> Listers:
>
> I'm sure this has been talked to death in the past, but I'm just finally getting
started to resume building my 604XL and I'd like to verify some assumptions
I have with the brain trust here on this list. I stopped building my 601XL
when I felt there was a good chance mandated upgrades would be coming, and I
was right. I have the upgrade kit and, since I stopped building 1/2 way through
the right wing I'm in a very good place to rework the spars with a minimum
of disassembly. However, going forward, I need to make a few choices, and I'm
pretty certain the official upgrade to a 651XL will be a good step with regards
to product acceptance, insurability, and possibly resale when I'm too old to
fly.
>
> >From what I think to be true:
>
> - I need a new set of plans from Zenith. If I give them my old serial number
they may cut me a deal on a new set of plans.......
> - I'll have to scrap my rudder and build a new one for the 651XL
> - I do not have to do any changes to my horizontal stabilizer or the wings once
I complete the upgrade
> - I'll order the 651 fuselage,canopy,and landing gear kits,
>
> and I'll be flying in about 10 years....LOL !
>
> Can anyone set me straight on anything incorrect and how I can/should fix it?
>
> Tracy Smith
> 601XL N458XL (reserved)
> Middletown, CT
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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Friends.
I have finally made the painful decision to sell Lil Bruiser, my Zodiac 60
1XL, as is, where is. It was damaged in a pasture landing accident. Sinc
e I know I will never fly it, I just can't get up whatever it takes to rep
air it myself. The nose gear hit a berm, bent the nose gear strut, bent
the firewall, cabin floor and cowling sheet metal. The prop was stopped
horizontally, so the wonderful William Wynne built Corvair engine and War
p Drive prop were not damaged. It was a fully functional airplane, regist
ered as Experimental - Amateur Built, and flown only about three hours. It
has a TruTrack single-axis autopilot, Dynon engine monitor, ICOM radio,
Narco transponder, Softcomm intercom and steam gauge flight instruments.
It is for sale for $25,000. Adding $5,000 in parts and about 500 hours
labor will result in a $50,000 or $60,000 airplane for $30,000. I will
throw in the upgrade kit, still in the original packaging. Anyone intere
sted can contact me off line for a complete list of installed equipment,
photos or whatever you might need. You can also contact me by phone at
214-351-4757.
Thanks, Jay Bannister, Dallas, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Found anything out of the ordinary? |
I had 116 hours and 1.5 years of flying time when I did my 601XL upgrade. Nothing
at all out of the ordinary noticed during the process.
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David Gallagher
601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
Upgraded 3/19/10
120+ hours and climbing!
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