---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/14/10: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:13 AM - Re: MIT (Phil Maxson) 2. 03:01 AM - Re: MIT (Paul Mulwitz) 3. 04:19 AM - Alieron Trim (Peter W Johnson) 4. 04:23 AM - Re: MIT (Gary Ray) 5. 05:13 AM - Re: Alieron Trim (Scotsman) 6. 05:14 AM - Re: Alieron Trim (FLYaDIVE) 7. 07:02 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/13/10 (JohnKearney@att.net) 8. 09:08 AM - Re: Alieron Trim (DaveG601XL) 9. 03:44 PM - Re: Zenith601-List: Alieron Trim (Peter W Johnson) 10. 03:45 PM - Re: MIT (PatrickW) 11. 06:59 PM - Re: MIT (Ron Lendon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:00 AM PST US From: "Phil Maxson " Subject: Re: Zenith-List: MIT Congratulations! Quite an accomplishment. Do not archive Phil Maxson 601XL/Corvair Northwest New Jersey ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:30 AM PST US From: "Paul Mulwitz" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: MIT That's Great, Sabrina. Congratulations. Will you start there in the fall? Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sabrina Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:06 PM Subject: Zenith-List: MIT Hey guys, I was accepted into MIT this evening! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297683#297683 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:14 AM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: Zenith-List: Alieron Trim Hi Guys, Having flown a few hours now, I find that, as expected, with full flap deployed the elevator trim "bottoms out" before balanced trim is available. I had a look at the LAA (UK) solution but found that my elevator trim tab is already at max downward travel and butts up against the elevator. Changing the tab horn would not make any difference to the travel available. I have an O-200 fitted and expect there is a little more weight up front than a Jab or similar. What have others done? I am thinking of adding a tab to the existing trim tab to increase its size, therefore providing more effect on the elevator. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://zodiac.cpc-world.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:11 AM PST US From: "Gary Ray" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: MIT Sabrina A lot is set in motion with that letter: Elation, then Honor, Responsibility, Effort and Growth. Congratulations: This is big. You are on your way. Gary Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sabrina" Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:06 AM Subject: Zenith-List: MIT > > Hey guys, I was accepted into MIT this evening! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297683#297683 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:18 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Alieron Trim From: "Scotsman" quite a hassle but you could reset the angle of incidence of the horizontal stabiliser...j -------- Cell +27 83 675 0815 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297701#297701 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Alieron Trim From: FLYaDIVE Peter: A little bit of info from an experience I had. Granted this is not a Zenith aircraft (RV-6). Check the deployment of the flaps. Make sure they go DOWN and UP equally. What I found was one flap deployed more than the other and a small roll was induced. Also had the same problem when the flaps were full UP. Next thought: With the flaps deployed you may be getting BLANKETING of the Horz Stab which makes the trim less or ineffective. DOUBLE Check the amount of deployment. More is NOT always better. Barry On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Peter W Johnson wrote: > Hi Guys, > > > Having flown a few hours now, I find that, as expected, with full flap > deployed the elevator trim bottoms out before balanced trim is available. > > > I had a look at the LAA (UK) solution but found that my elevator trim tab is > already at max downward travel and butts up against the elevator. Changing > the tab horn would not make any difference to the travel available. > > > I have an O-200 fitted and expect there is a little more weight up front > than a Jab or similar. > > > What have others done? I am thinking of adding a tab to the existing trim > tab to increase its size, therefore providing more effect on the elevator. > > > Cheers > > > Peter > > Wonthaggi Australia > > http://zodiac.cpc-world.com > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:54 AM PST US From: JohnKearney@att.net Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/13/10 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:09 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Alieron Trim From: "DaveG601XL" Peter, I echo Scotsman's comment on possibly re-pitching the H-stab. But first, in cruise flight, do you have a significant trim tab deflection?? I did. I re-pitched the leading edge down until the trim tab was neutral in cruise and it gave me more trim authority with flaps full down. Good luck, Dave G. -------- David Gallagher 601 XL/Jabiru 3300 First flight 7/24/08 Upgraded 3/19/10 120+ hours and climbing! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297739#297739 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:49 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Zenith601-List: Alieron Trim Thanks Guys, I have the full trim tab but will add a tab to it and see how it goes. I have full authority everywhere else except full flap on finals. Cheers Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Martin Sent: Friday, 14 May 2010 10:03 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Alieron Trim --> Zenith601-List message posted by: Bryan Martin I riveted a sheet of aluminum onto my trim tab that just about doubled its area. The sheet is bent downward over the trailing edge of the trim tab to provide even more trim. I have the original small trim tab that just spans between two of the elevator ribs. I still can't trim out the plane with full flaps unless I have a full load and aft CG, but I usually don't use full flaps until short final anyway so I don't mind it much. I also have a bungee cord attached to the stick that provides some nose up trim. It's just enough to balance the weight of the elevator (the bungee holds the elevator in the neutral position on the ground). On May 14, 2010, at 7:15 AM, Peter W Johnson wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Having flown a few hours now, I find that, as expected, with full flap deployed the elevator trim "bottoms out" before balanced trim is available. > > I had a look at the LAA (UK) solution but found that my elevator trim tab is already at max downward travel and butts up against the elevator. Changing the tab horn would not make any difference to the travel available. > > I have an O-200 fitted and expect there is a little more weight up front than a Jab or similar. > > What have others done? I am thinking of adding a tab to the existing trim tab to increase its size, therefore providing more effect on the elevator. > > Cheers > > Peter > Wonthaggi Australia > http://zodiac.cpc-world.com -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:41 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: MIT From: "PatrickW" That's wonderful news, Sabrina. :D - Pat -------- Patrick XL/650/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297791#297791 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:37 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: MIT From: "Ron Lendon" davgray(at)sbcglobal.net wrote: > Sabrina > > A lot is set in motion with that letter: > Elation, then Honor, Responsibility, Effort and Growth. > > Congratulations: This is big. > You are on your way. > > Gary Ray > > --- Sabrina, Gary Ray said it all, Congratulations! And to beat Ben, Not Bad For A GIRL ;-) -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297800#297800 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.