---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/19/10: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:03 AM - FLYING (Ben52425@aol.com) 2. 10:28 AM - Re: FLYING (Paul Mulwitz) 3. 11:41 AM - Re: FLYING (afterfxllc@aol.com) 4. 12:59 PM - Re: FLYING (Gary Ray) 5. 04:08 PM - Re: FLYING (ben52425@aol.com) 6. 04:18 PM - Aero-Carb 4-Sale (John C Edwards) 7. 06:44 PM - Re: FLYING (Dingfelder) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:09 AM PST US From: Ben52425@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: FLYING DOES THE FAA HAVE ANY REQUIRMENTS ON FLYING THE AIRPLANE AFTER THE UPGRADE THIS SEEM,S TO BE A GRAY AREA . DOES ANYBODY HAVE THE PROPER REQ. BEN N524B ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:13 AM PST US From: "Paul Mulwitz" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: FLYING Hi Ben, I'm not sure, but there is no doubt in my mind that the upgrade amounts to a major change. This would suggest going back to phase I testing for some period of time. Perhaps this question is best asked of your local FAA FSDO. Paul XL installing upgrade From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben52425@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Zenith-List: FLYING DOES THE FAA HAVE ANY REQUIRMENTS ON FLYING THE AIRPLANE AFTER THE UPGRADE THIS SEEM,S TO BE A GRAY AREA . DOES ANYBODY HAVE THE PROPER REQ. BEN N524B ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FLYING From: afterfxllc@aol.com Ben, What you have to do is call your local FSDO and tell them you have done th e upgrade for the Zenith 601xl and you are requesting permission to enter Phase 1 of testing and use the same test area that was defined in the ini tial test flights for the 40 hours. If you are in a new area you will have to submit a new map and they will approve or modify your map. After you are approved for testing you must call ATC and inform them you will be co nducting test flights and they may or may not give you a squawk code. The FAA is very serious about these upgrades so I wouldn't be caught just flying around without the proper log book entries. We are doing upgrades and have to do this for each airplane we finish and since the aircraft did not do their 40 hour testing here we have to submi t this every time one is finished. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Ben52425@aol.com Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 1:02 pm Subject: Zenith-List: FLYING DOES THE FAA HAVE ANY REQUIRMENTS ON FLYING THE AIRPLANE AFTER THE UPGRADE THIS SEEM,S TO BE A GRAY AREA . DOES ANYBODY HAVE THE PROPER REQ. 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They required 5 hours of phase one restrictions. I did not have to call them back when it was flown off. It did require a log book entry and I was able to complete the annual condition inspection at the same time. Gary Ray davgray@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben52425@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:02 PM Subject: Zenith-List: FLYING DOES THE FAA HAVE ANY REQUIRMENTS ON FLYING THE AIRPLANE AFTER THE UPGRADE THIS SEEM,S TO BE A GRAY AREA . DOES ANYBODY HAVE THE PROPER REQ. BEN N524B ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FLYING From: ben52425@aol.com Jeff Some are saying 5 hours of flying and you sat 40 hour,s??? Ben -----Original Message----- From: afterfxllc@aol.com Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 2:40 pm Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FLYING Ben, What you have to do is call your local FSDO and tell them you have done th e upgrade for the Zenith 601xl and you are requesting permission to enter Phase 1 of testing and use the same test area that was defined in the ini tial test flights for the 40 hours. If you are in a new area you will have to submit a new map and they will approve or modify your map. After you are approved for testing you must call ATC and inform them you will be co nducting test flights and they may or may not give you a squawk code. The FAA is very serious about these upgrades so I wouldn't be caught just flying around without the proper log book entries. We are doing upgrades and have to do this for each airplane we finish and since the aircraft did not do their 40 hour testing here we have to submi t this every time one is finished. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Ben52425@aol.com Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 1:02 pm Subject: Zenith-List: FLYING DOES THE FAA HAVE ANY REQUIRMENTS ON FLYING THE AIRPLANE AFTER THE UPGRADE THIS SEEM,S TO BE A GRAY AREA . DOES ANYBODY HAVE THE PROPER REQ. BEN N524B ======================== =========== target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List ======================== =========== tp://forums.matronics.com ======================== =========== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:25 PM PST US From: John C Edwards Subject: Zenith-List: Aero-Carb 4-Sale I have a barely used (flew with it for 10hrs) 32mm AeroCarb for sale for $200 if anyone is interested before I put it on E-Bay. It fits most VW type size engines. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:44 PM PST US From: "Dingfelder" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FLYING The representative whom I spoke with from the Pittsburgh FSDO said 5 hours was required, followed by a logbook entry upon completion. He was very interested in my upgrade, and what it involved, so he made arrangements to visit my shop and see for himself. This was not an "official" visit, but rather for his own understanding of what it was all about. His interest was very commendable and welcome. Lynn Corry, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben52425@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:02 PM Subject: Zenith-List: FLYING DOES THE FAA HAVE ANY REQUIRMENTS ON FLYING THE AIRPLANE AFTER THE UPGRADE THIS SEEM,S TO BE A GRAY AREA . DOES ANYBODY HAVE THE PROPER REQ. 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