---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/03/10: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:40 AM - Flying on the edge of wetness (Larry McFarland) 2. 07:52 AM - Re: Jabiru Jamboree (Tony Graziano) 3. 08:09 AM - Re: Flying on the edge of wetness (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 4. 09:32 AM - Re: Flying on the edge of wetness (R. Johnson) 5. 10:56 AM - Re: Flying on the edge of wetness () 6. 05:04 PM - Re: Flying on the edge of wetness (n801bh@netzero.com) 7. 06:41 PM - Source for battery cable? (Craig Payne) 8. 06:51 PM - Re: Source for battery cable? (jaybannist@cs.com) 9. 07:11 PM - Re: Source for battery cable? (Paul Mulwitz) 10. 09:05 PM - Re: Source for battery cable? (MHerder) 11. 09:19 PM - Re: Re: Source for battery cable? (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:27 AM PST US From: Larry McFarland Subject: Zenith-List: Flying on the edge of wetness Hi Guys, I fly mostly good weather, but theres been a few times Ive had to fly thru light showers to get home. The greater concern is getting into too much rain. Id think this was possible, but a few of our Chapter 75 have flown in a car wash type rain that put them on the gages for a few minutes. Does anyone know the limits of the ignition system wires and spark plugs? I fly the Stratus Subaru in my 601 and am just now looking at my plugs and wires and wondering if theres much difference between wet aircraft plugs and mine. Anyone knowledgeable? Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:33 AM PST US From: Tony Graziano Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru Jamboree Pete, I am scheduled to visit my grandkids in Md that weekend. Hope you have a huge turnout and another event sometime in the future that I can fly down for. Tail winds and CAVU, Tony Graziano Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2010, at 4:39 PM, "Pete Krotje" wrote: Join Jabiru USA for our first Jabiru Fly In and Open House at Shelbyville TN (SYI). All are welcome! Jabiru Jamboree June 11-13, 2010 Weekend Schedule Friday, June 11th 1pm Open house-Doors are open for you to join us and tour our factory. 3pm Engine Maintenance Session Review the basics of how to maintain and care for your engine. Parts and engines available for viewing. 5pm Cook out begins Hamburgers, Hot Dogs, Brats, Chips, Drinks Saturday, June 12th 9:30am Engine Maintenance Session For those that missed it Friday. 10:30am Airframe Inspection and Maintenance for your Jabiru Plane 11am-1pm Lunch is served. Option to fly to close locations or have BBQ here. 1:30pm Avionics demonstration See some of the new technology that we use. 2:30pm FWF Considerations wiring, component locations 3:30pm Optimizing your Jabiru Engine How to adjust Cooling and Carb to get the most from your Jabiru engine. 6pm Dinner at Bell Buckle Caf-RSVP is requested Sunday, June 13th (weather permitting) 11am Wheels up for a Jabiru adventure to Pattis 1880s Settlement at Grand Rivers, KY ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:19 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying on the edge of wetness Larry, I wouldn't fly any automotive type engine thru moisture as it will produce steam and that might cause your coils to stop working. The difference (as you are probably aware of) between a auto conversion and an aircraft eng ine is that the spark voltage is much higher in an auto type ignition. Jeff In a message dated 6/3/2010 9:41:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, larry@macsmachine.com writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry McFarland Hi Guys, I fly mostly good weather, but there=99s been a few times I =99ve had to fly thru light showers to get home. The greater concern is getting into too much rain. I=99d think this was possible, but a few of our Chapter 75 have flown in a =9Ccar wash=9D type rain that put them on the gage s for a few minutes. Does anyone know the limits of the ignition system wires and spark plugs? I fly the Stratus Subaru in my 601 and am just now looking at my plugs and wires and wondering if there=99s much difference be tween wet aircraft plugs and mine. Anyone knowledgeable? Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:42 AM PST US From: "R. Johnson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying on the edge of wetness I used to run Chrysler 413 and Olds 350 V-8's on irrigation systems. The throttles were set at 2700 rpm and left to run 24/7 for several weeks, even thru rain storms. We just made sure we had a good boot seal on the plug and dist. cap. The only engine that gave me problems was a 605-M&M, it had a mag, would short out in a heavy fog. Russell I wouldn't fly any automotive type engine thru moisture as it will produce steam and that might cause your coils to stop working. The difference (as you are probably aware of) between a auto conversion and an aircraft engine is that the spark voltage is much higher in an auto type ignition. Jeff ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:03 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying on the edge of wetness Larry, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Water may be the enemy of an engine, but if you have good boot seals on the plugs, your distributor wire connections are all well sealed, and your distributor cap is sealed to the body, you shouldn't have a problem. Engines have been run under water, with just intake and exhaust snorkels poking out. Just look for possible places to short out, and seal them with silicone goop. Also, remember that your engine will boil off any spray that gets in, and, even if you lose a cylinder, it will come back pretty quickly due to engine heat. If you want to do a test, you might have somebody spray a hose into your prop, but only at LOW rpm. Water can eat a prop's leading edge at higher speeds. Regards, Paul R ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry McFarland To: zenith-list ; aeroelectric-list Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:18 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Flying on the edge of wetness > Hi Guys, I fly mostly good weather, but there=92s been a few times I=92ve had to fly thru light showers to get home. The greater concern is getting into too much rain. I=92d think this was possible, but a few of our Chapter 75 have flown in a =93car wash=94 type rain that put them on the gages for a few minutes. Does anyone know the limits of the ignition system wires and spark plugs? I fly the Stratus Subaru in my 601 and am just now looking at my plugs and wires and wondering if there=92s much difference between wet aircraft plugs and mine. Anyone knowledgeable? Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:55 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying on the edge of wetness I fly my Zenith 801 with a auto engine conversion through rain every tim e I can I love flying in it, makes for a smooth flight. It is a perfect way to wash it, to remove all the bugs and the rain is soft water so NO water spots !! I do have a very tight ignition system to prevent any moisture from gett ing into critical areas and I have flown through rain that was pretty da rn heavy. YMMV............ As for the idea of high voltage creating st eam,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Geez Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying on the edge of wetness Larry, I wouldn't fly any automotive type engine thru moisture as it wil l produce steam and that might cause your coils to stop working. The dif ference (as you are probably aware of) between a auto conversion and an aircraft engine is that the spark voltage is much higher in an auto typ e ignition. Jeff In a message dated 6/3/2010 9:41:43 A.M. Eastern Daylig Larry McFarland Hi Guys, I fly mostly good weather, but there=99s been a few times I=99 ve had to fly thru light showers to get home. The greater concern is getting into too much rain. I=99d think this was possible, but a few of our Chapter 75 have flown in a =9Ccar wash=9D type rain that put them on the gag es for a few minutes. Does anyone know the limits of the ignition system wires and spark plugs? I fly the Stratus Subaru in my 601 and am just now looking at my plugs and wires and wondering if there=99s much difference b etween wet aircraft plugs and mine. Anyone knowledgeable? Larry McFarland 601HDS at ================ ======================== ====== ======================== ====== - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ====== ======================== ================== - List Contribution Web Site sp; ======= ======================== =================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ========= ____________________________________________________________ 2550% Penny Stock Gains? Our last pick exploded 2550% - Join our newsletter for free picks! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c0842dd79361b5d23st03vuc ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:52 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith-List: Source for battery cable? I'm looking for a source for 4 gauge battery cable (red and black). I could use welding cable. B&C appears to only sell pre-made, terminated lengths. WayTek has a minimum of 100 ft. SteinAir doesn't list any. Many list 4 gauge Tefzel but that isn't what I want. I could buy a pair of jumper cables but I'm not certain on the quality and composition of the insulation. Any leads? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Source for battery cable? From: jaybannist@cs.com Grainger has the battery cable you are looking for, but only black. I thi nk it comes in a box with 25' of cable. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Craig Payne Sent: Thu, Jun 3, 2010 8:41 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Source for battery cable? I'm looking for a source for 4 gauge battery cable (red and black). I coul d use welding cable. B&C appears to only sell pre-made, terminated lengths . WayTek has a minimum of 100 ft. SteinAir doesn't list any. Many list 4 gauge Tefzel but that isn't what I want. I could buy a pair of jumper cab les but I'm not certain on the quality and composition of the insulation. Any leads? -- Craig ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:55 PM PST US From: "Paul Mulwitz" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Source for battery cable? Hi Craig, I got some at the local hardware store. They were happy to cut it and sell by the foot. They also had copper crimp terminals that I used, but I had to make my own crimp dies. Paul From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Source for battery cable? I'm looking for a source for 4 gauge battery cable (red and black). I could use welding cable. B&C appears to only sell pre-made, terminated lengths. WayTek has a minimum of 100 ft. SteinAir doesn't list any. Many list 4 gauge Tefzel but that isn't what I want. I could buy a pair of jumper cables but I'm not certain on the quality and composition of the insulation. Any leads? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:42 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Source for battery cable? From: "MHerder" I'm sure if you called B and C they'd sell it to you without the ends. I priced it and by the time I would have bought the right crimper it would have cost me more to fabricate them myself so it was a no brainer for my situation... Granted yours may be different, but I was and am happy with what B and C provided. -------- One Rivet at a Time! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299976#299976 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:29 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Source for battery cable? I'll give them a call. The problem is I don't know where my battery will end up (W&B adjustments). But I can't calculate W&B until the wings are on and I'm wiring the rest now. So I want to order enough to reach to the tail of my 701. But the battery could end up behind the passenger seat. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MHerder Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:05 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Source for battery cable? --> I'm sure if you called B and C they'd sell it to you without the ends. I priced it and by the time I would have bought the right crimper it would have cost me more to fabricate them myself so it was a no brainer for my situation... Granted yours may be different, but I was and am happy with what B and C provided. -------- One Rivet at a Time! 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