---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/05/10: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:04 AM - Re: stabilizer attachment (Bill Naumuk) 2. 06:22 AM - Re: Re: 601xl down (LHusky@aol.com) 3. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: 601xl down (passpat@aol.com) 4. 08:14 AM - Re: stabilizer attachment (Michel Therrien) 5. 10:13 AM - Chat Reminder (George Race) 6. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: 601xl down (Iberplanes IGD - Alberto Martin) 7. 02:00 PM - Re: stabilizer attachment (Carlos Sa) 8. 04:51 PM - What Size Gun? (Phil Maxson) 9. 05:08 PM - Re: What Size Gun? (Paul Mulwitz) 10. 05:46 PM - Re: What Size Gun? (Gary Ray) 11. 08:12 PM - Re: What Size Gun? (Ron Lendon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:15 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: stabilizer attachment Carlos- You're right, it's impossible to maintain a 13mm edge distance on both the F and T parts. FWIW, I laid out the 13mm edge distance on the F parts, pre-drilled the holes, clamped the stab in place and backdrilled the T parts. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Sa To: zenith601-list@matronics.com ; zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 4:50 PM Subject: Zenith-List: stabilizer attachment Hello, all I am building the rear fuselage, and before committing to the position of parts, I decided to check how the stabilizer would align. Looks like I'll have to move it forward somewhat (2 or 3 cm), and perhaps add a little shim to the rear attachment, so the width looks ok. My question to the group is about edge distance: the (CH601-HD) construction manual (Edition 3, Jan 1995) says, in the "tail installation on the fuselage" section (page 26): "watch for a minimum edge distance of 13 mm to any edge." While the dimensions of 6F2-7 and -8 (6B3-3/4 on the XL) allow for this, 6T2-1 and 6T2-3 do not - or at least I don't see how. Therefore, I am assuming that the 13 mm statement refers to the HT attachment brackets only (6F2-7 / 8 on the 601-HD and 6B3-3 / 4 on the XL). I would appreciate the group's comments on this. Thanks in advance Carlos CH601-HD, plans ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:42 AM PST US From: LHusky@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601xl down I did the same thing and could not come up with anything at all. OK, back to rivet removal..... Larry Husky Madras, Oregon In a message dated 7/4/2010 6:21:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, david.m.gallagher@ge.com writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "DaveG601XL" I did an NTSB and Internet news search and did not come up anything yet. What is your source? Dave -------- David Gallagher 601 XL/Jabiru 3300 First flight 7/24/08 Upgraded 3/19/10 130+ hours and climbing! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303669#303669 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601xl down From: passpat@aol.com Report is comming from NTSB I got this from the owner " a 601xlb made an off field landing in rough terrain, after the pic let the plane run out of fuel, all is well and the plane's structure performed be autifully. The wood prop is gone along with the nose wheel but all else is repairable. The mods were great. The Owner " -----Original Message----- From: LHusky@aol.com Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:17 am Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601xl down I did the same thing and could not come up with anything at all. OK, back to rivet removal..... Larry Husky Madras, Oregon In a message dated 7/4/2010 6:21:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, david.m.ga llagher@ge.com writes: I did an NTSB and Internet news search and did not come up anything yet. What is your source? Dave -------- David Gallagher 601 XL/Jabiru 3300 First flight 7/24/08 Upgraded 3/19/10 130+ hours and climbing! 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I remember I had difficulty to m aintain minimum edge distance on the HT plates on the side of the fuselage. - After checking with CH, I decided to use 0.050" 4130 steel.- CH warne d me of checking for corrosion. ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby --- On Mon, 7/5/10, Bill Naumuk wrote: From: Bill Naumuk Subject: Re: Zenith-List: stabilizer attachment Received: Monday, July 5, 2010, 8:58 AM Carlos- ---- You're right, it's impossible to maintain a 13mm edge distance on both the F and T parts. FWIW, I laid-out-the-13mm edge distance o n the F parts, pre-drilled the holes,-clamped the stab in place and backd rilled the T parts. ------------------------- ------------------------- ------------------------- ---------------- Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Sa Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 4:50 PM Subject: Zenith-List: stabilizer attachment Hello, all I am building the rear fuselage, and before committing to the position of p arts, I decided to check how the stabilizer would align. Looks like I'll have to move it forward somewhat (2 or 3 cm), and perhaps a dd a little shim to the rear attachment, so the width looks ok. My question to the group is about edge distance: the (CH601-HD) constructio n manual (Edition 3, Jan 1995) says, in the "tail installation on the fusel age" section (page 26): "watch for a minimum edge distance of 13 mm to any edge." While the dimensions of 6F2-7 and -8 (6B3-3/4 on the XL) allow for this, 6T 2-1 and 6T2-3 do not - or at least I don't see how. Therefore, I am assuming that the 13 mm statement refers to the HT attachme nt brackets only (6F2-7 / 8 on the 601-HD and 6B3-3 / 4 on the XL). I would appreciate the group's comments on this. Thanks in advance Carlos CH601-HD, plans href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhr ef="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:38 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Reminder Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/ DO NOT ENTER ANY PASSWORD, JUST YOUR USER NAME CHOICE Check out my line of items for Experimental Airplane Builders My Products: http://www.mykitairplane.com/Products/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:44:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601xl down From: Iberplanes IGD - Alberto Martin Hi guys, Good news, no fatal injuries, mods ok, next time double check your fuel !! Bye 2010/7/5 > Report is comming from NTSB I got this from the owner > " > a 601xlb made an off field landing in rough terrain, after the pic let th e > plane run out of fuel, all is well and the plane's structure performed > beautifully. The wood prop is gone along with the nose wheel but all else is > repairable. The mods were great. The Owner " > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LHusky@aol.com > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:17 am > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601xl down > > I did the same thing and could not come up with anything at all. OK, > back to rivet removal..... > > Larry Husky > Madras, Oregon > > In a message dated 7/4/2010 6:21:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > david.m.gallagher@ge.com writes: > > > > I did an NTSB and Internet news search and did not come up anything yet. > What is your source? > > Dave > > -------- > David Gallagher > 601 XL/Jabiru 3300 > First flight 7/24/08 > Upgraded 3/19/10 > 130+ hours and climbing! > > > Read this topic online here: > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303669#303669==== ================= > ======================== ======== - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS > ======================== ======================== - List > Contribution Web Site sp; > ======================== = > > > * > > ======================== =========== > target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > ======================== =========== > tp://forums.matronics.com > ======================== =========== > _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ======================== =========== > * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Started Engine: Jabiru 3300 Un ingles a Tom Lucero en la guerra de Malvinas: "=A1Piloto argentino mejor aqu=ED con nosotros en camilla. Muy peligroso arriba, en su avi=F3n!=97". Un pasaje del libro "Dios y Los Halcones" del Com. Pablo M. Carballo ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: stabilizer attachment From: Carlos Sa Thanks, Bill and Michel for your input ! Carlos do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:42 PM PST US From: "Phil Maxson " Subject: Zenith-List: What Size Gun? My efforts to locate a rivet squeezer locally have come up dry. What size rivet gun do I need to drive the 3/16ths rivets in the XL upgrade kit? Will a 3x gun do it? Phil Maxson 601XL/Corvair ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:41 PM PST US From: "Paul Mulwitz" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: What Size Gun? Hi Phil, My shopping (research?) says a 3x gun can barely set a 3/16 hard aluminum rivet. If you want to go that way I would suggest getting a 4x gun. There doesn't seem to be a difference in price for these things. I think the difference between 3x and 4x guns is a small difference in the length of the barrel on the gun. You might find it makes more sense to replace the rivets with bolts as allowed by the drawings. This may be a little more expensive and a bit heavier, but the technology is one we all are familiar with. Besides, then you don't need to buy a rivet gun and associated accessories like sets and bucking bars. Paul XL installing upgrade (slowly). -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Maxson Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 4:50 PM Subject: Zenith-List: What Size Gun? My efforts to locate a rivet squeezer locally have come up dry. What size rivet gun do I need to drive the 3/16ths rivets in the XL upgrade kit? Will a 3x gun do it? Phil Maxson 601XL/Corvair ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:17 PM PST US From: "Gary Ray" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What Size Gun? Phil I tried both a 3X and the 4X. The award definitely goes to the 4X gun which sets the rivet quickly and it is easier to get a nice result. It will take the same number of hits each time when you acheive the state of Yo. Also I found a 2 lb sledge hammer head as a bucking bar worked better. This was my first rivet pounding project so I enlisted an RV helper. It is a two person job. Gary Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Maxson " Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 7:49 PM Subject: Zenith-List: What Size Gun? > > My efforts to locate a rivet squeezer locally have come up dry. What size > rivet gun do I need to drive the 3/16ths rivets in the XL upgrade kit? > Will a 3x gun do it? > > Phil Maxson > 601XL/Corvair > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:12 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What Size Gun? From: "Ron Lendon" I used a 4X gun and a 5lb bucking block of steel. The AN470AD-6-15's set just fine. The trick is to not pull or let off the trigger without having pressure (arm strong) against the factory head. The bucking bar just has to touch to shop head, you don't have to press hard with the bucking bar. Once you have set a few you can hear and feel when it is set right. The 3X gun wasn't doing a good job. There were a couple I had to remove and reset, the 4X gun expanded the rivets much better, the 3X gun rivets came out real easy, not so with the 4X gun, it took more work to get them out and that is a good thing here. Here is how you can make it a one man job: http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=5894&log=105695&row=21 -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303875#303875 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.