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1. 06:22 AM - Re: Zenith Zodiac Front Page News (sdthatcher)
2. 08:48 AM - Zenith.aero is down (Jim Belcher)
3. 09:50 AM - Re: Zenith.aero is down (Carlos Sa)
4. 09:53 AM - Re: Zenith.aero is down (Mitch Hodges)
5. 12:03 PM - Re: Zenith.aero is down (Craig Payne)
6. 12:43 PM - Re: Re: Zenith.aero is down (Bob Fulmer)
7. 01:54 PM - Re: Re: Zenith.aero is down (Jim Belcher)
8. 02:00 PM - Re: Re: Zenith.aero is down (John Davis)
9. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: Zenith.aero is down (Craig Payne)
10. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Zenith.aero is down (Jim Belcher)
11. 03:52 PM - Re: Re: Zenith.aero is down (Paul Mulwitz)
12. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: Zenith.aero is down (jaybannist@cs.com)
13. 04:20 PM - Re: Zenith.aero is down (Sabrina)
14. 07:32 PM - Re: Zenith.aero is down (Tim Juhl)
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Zodiac Front Page News |
There's nothing like page one in the Chicago Tribune! I grew up in the Chicago
area (Franklin Park and Wilmette) and the Tribune is tough to get into short
of committing a crime! Congratulations again Sabrina...
Sabrina wrote:
> At little more favorable press as to the 601XL from Midwest Flyer Magazine.
If a 16 year old can fix it, it must not be too big of a problem.
>
> http://MIT.edu/Fermilab ............... http://midwestflyer.com
>
> I guess the FAA issued me an A&P license I did not know about! A couple other
errata: I trained at KPWK at 9; it was built and painted in Chicago proper.
But hey, amazing press, thank you to all involved.
>
> If anyone has a hard copy of the magazine they don't need, feel free to mail
it off to me. P.O. Box 75, Chicago, IL 60690
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Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA
N601EL, EAA203 42 hours and holding.
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| Subject: | Zenith.aero is down |
Has anyone else noticed that Zenith.zero is down? I get a "04: Not Found"
message, which suggests that the URL isn't in the name server.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith.aero is down |
I get a 404 as well.
Possibly down for maintenance, or for a B Gates salute...
Carlos
On 5 August 2010 11:47, Jim Belcher <Z601c@anemicaardvark.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone else noticed that Zenith.zero is down? I get a "04: Not Found"
> message, which suggests that the URL isn't in the name server.
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> Jim B. Belcher
> BS,MS Physics
> A&P/IA
> General Radio Telephone Certificate
> Instrument Rated Pilot
> Retired Aerospace Technical Manager
> Semi-proficient Househusband
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith.aero is down |
[quote="Z601c(at)anemicaardvark.c"]Has anyone else noticed that Zenith.zero is
down? I get a "04: Not Found"
quote]
The AMD site is still blank as well (http://www.newplane.com). Its not actually down, the site is responding but the content has been removed from the site. All links to the site (including subpages) come up blank but they are being served up.
I called the Mothership in Mexico. Sebastian said (in the background) they were
down for some maintenance but should be back up soon.
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Mitch Hodges
N601MH (Zenith 601HDS)
Builder Log at http://www.hodges.aero
Wings Under Perpetual Construction
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| Subject: | Zenith.aero is down |
Same here. And the AMD site (www.newplane.com) is blank. Thank god the ZAC
site is still up.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Belcher
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 8:48 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith.aero is down
--> <Z601c@anemicaardvark.com>
Has anyone else noticed that Zenith.zero is down? I get a "04: Not Found"
message, which suggests that the URL isn't in the name server.
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Jim B. Belcher
BS,MS Physics
A&P/IA
General Radio Telephone Certificate
Instrument Rated Pilot
Retired Aerospace Technical Manager
Semi-proficient Househusband
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith.aero is down |
Word has it that AMD has been sold to a guy in Fla. He does not, as yet
appear to be doing anything with it, nor is there any indication as to what
exactly he "might" do with it. I asked at the ZAC booth and the subject was
danced around totally. The Builder's aid guy in Fla is not the person who
bought it. Nothing to back this up but the Site status would seem to
support this kind of action. I did ask at the booth if it were so and did
not get any firm, absolute denial from anyone.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitch Hodges" <n601mh@hodges.info>
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:52 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith.aero is down
>
> [quote="Z601c(at)anemicaardvark.c"]Has anyone else noticed that
> Zenith.zero is down? I get a "04: Not Found"
> quote]
>
> The AMD site is still blank as well (http://www.newplane.com). Its not
> actually down, the site is responding but the content has been removed
> from the site. All links to the site (including subpages) come up blank
> but they are being served up.
>
> I called the Mothership in Mexico. Sebastian said (in the background)
> they were down for some maintenance but should be back up soon.
>
> --------
> Mitch Hodges
> N601MH (Zenith 601HDS)
> Builder Log at http://www.hodges.aero
> Wings Under Perpetual Construction
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307655#307655
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith.aero is down |
It's hard to be sure how good a rumor this is. I'm sure the problems with the
XL have hurt Zenith financially, and they may need a cash infusion.
At the same time, Piper is marketing virtually the same aircraft. If this
rumor is true, it may hurt Zenith's sales. If I were Piper, I might argue that
all the problems are with Zenith's aircraft, not Piper's.
But if I were Zenith, I might advertise that you can get the same plane
cheaper from Zenith, and take advantage of the money Piper has spent on
advertising.
Does Zenith really want to be in the semi-certificated aircraft business, or do
they want to be in their long-term forte of kit planes?
On Thursday 05 August 2010 14:40:43 you wrote:
>
> Word has it that AMD has been sold to a guy in Fla. He does not, as yet
> appear to be doing anything with it, nor is there any indication as to what
> exactly he "might" do with it. I asked at the ZAC booth and the subject
> was danced around totally. The Builder's aid guy in Fla is not the person
> who bought it. Nothing to back this up but the Site status would seem to
> support this kind of action. I did ask at the booth if it were so and did
> not get any firm, absolute denial from anyone.
> ----- Original Message -----
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Jim B. Belcher
BS,MS Physics, Math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
General Radio Telephone Certificate
Instrument Rated Pilot
Retired Aerospace Technical Manager
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith.aero is down |
Hi Jim,
Its my understanding that AMD and Zenith are two totally different
companies. There is/was a Heintz brother at each company though. I'm
not sure how many folks who are buying PiperSports or AMD planes for
that matter would buy a kit instead....
John Davis
N601JD - 601XL
On 8/5/2010 4:53 PM, Jim Belcher wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Belcher<Z601c@anemicaardvark.com>
>
> It's hard to be sure how good a rumor this is. I'm sure the problems with the
> XL have hurt Zenith financially, and they may need a cash infusion.
>
> At the same time, Piper is marketing virtually the same aircraft. If this
> rumor is true, it may hurt Zenith's sales. If I were Piper, I might argue that
> all the problems are with Zenith's aircraft, not Piper's.
>
> But if I were Zenith, I might advertise that you can get the same plane
> cheaper from Zenith, and take advantage of the money Piper has spent on
> advertising.
>
> Does Zenith really want to be in the semi-certificated aircraft business, or
do
> they want to be in their long-term forte of kit planes?
>
>
> On Thursday 05 August 2010 14:40:43 you wrote:
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Fulmer"<rfulmer1@triad.rr.com>
>>
>> Word has it that AMD has been sold to a guy in Fla. He does not, as yet
>> appear to be doing anything with it, nor is there any indication as to what
>> exactly he "might" do with it. I asked at the ZAC booth and the subject
>> was danced around totally. The Builder's aid guy in Fla is not the person
>> who bought it. Nothing to back this up but the Site status would seem to
>> support this kind of action. I did ask at the booth if it were so and did
>> not get any firm, absolute denial from anyone.
>> ----- Original Message -----
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith.aero is down |
Aero is back up.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith.aero is down |
On Thursday 05 August 2010 15:59:34 you wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Its my understanding that AMD and Zenith are two totally different
> companies. There is/was a Heintz brother at each company though. I'm
> not sure how many folks who are buying PiperSports or AMD planes for
> that matter would buy a kit instead....
Good points, all.
I'm not sure, in the fiction that surrounds corporations, how much difference
there really is between the two companies. I was told once that all that was
needed for two corporations was at least one person in each corporation who
held one or more shares of stock, but who did not hold stock in the other
corporation. Me, I'm not a lawyer, but a techie, so I don't know for sure.
I didn't mean to suggest that buyers of the kit were candidates for a finished
plane, or vice-versa. Rather, I meant that AMD and Piper had virtually the
same finished aircraft, competing for the same $.
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Jim B. Belcher
BS,MS Physics, Math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
General Radio Telephone Certificate
Instrument Rated Pilot
Retired Aerospace Technical Manager
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith.aero is down |
Hi Folks,
I took a good look at the Piper plane at OSH, and I have followed
discussions of CZAW and their products for several years now. In my
opinion, the Piper Sport is a derivative of the Zodiac XL rather than an
exact copy.
The wing tips are quite different, but the center console is the same. The
landing gear (I think) is composite while the Zodiac gear is solid aluminum
"Spring". The Piper has a smaller baggage compartment with a rear shelf. I
believe there are extensive structural changes in the wing spars and related
parts of the plane. This suggests that whoever did the engineering on the
Sport Cruiser/Piper Sport took a different view of the structure than the
Heintz boys did.
The Sport Cruiser and Piper Sport have been flying for a number of years and
I don't think any of them have experienced structural failures. Certainly
there have not been a rash of them like the XL.
After my long and productive conversation with the FAA guy at OSH, I wonder
if the Sport cruiser was a derivative of the Zodiac XL or it was the other
way around. He definitely said the XL was originally designed to the 1200
pound European standard and just "Pencil whipped" to meet the US LSA
specified gross weight of 1320. He also said he had proprietary information
from Zenair/Zenith that he would not disclose, but assured me he was not
hiding safety related information from me that would impact my own safety in
an XL. I don't know what that information is, but it might have been
something relating to the design history and who exactly did the
engineering. I certainly asked him about that and all he would say was that
"Zenair" provided the engineering for the upgrade and not the FAA.
About corporations, I do indeed know a fair amount on that subject. I am
not aware of any requirement for there to be different owners and/or
officers from one corporation to another. If so, that would be a state law
and certainly wouldn't impact two corporations in two different countries
like Zenair and Zenith.
I have no knowledge of any transactions going on regarding any of these
companies. However, I feel the Piper Sport is direct competition for the
AMD XL/650. On the other hand both Piper and AMD offer many other models of
aircraft which have nothing to do with the other company's products.
Paul
Camas, WA
Currently installing upgrade in my XL.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Belcher
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith.aero is down
On Thursday 05 August 2010 15:59:34 you wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Its my understanding that AMD and Zenith are two totally different
> companies. There is/was a Heintz brother at each company though. I'm
> not sure how many folks who are buying PiperSports or AMD planes for
> that matter would buy a kit instead....
Good points, all.
I'm not sure, in the fiction that surrounds corporations, how much
difference
there really is between the two companies. I was told once that all that was
needed for two corporations was at least one person in each corporation who
held one or more shares of stock, but who did not hold stock in the other
corporation. Me, I'm not a lawyer, but a techie, so I don't know for sure.
I didn't mean to suggest that buyers of the kit were candidates for a
finished
plane, or vice-versa. Rather, I meant that AMD and Piper had virtually the
same finished aircraft, competing for the same $.
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Jim B. Belcher
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith.aero is down |
The way I see it, the Piper and AMD 650 have essentially the same bones,
but so do the Camry and the Lexus ES. The reason one costs more than th
e other is primarily an upscaled interior finish and a prestigious name;
the latter being the greatest. EVERYONE knows Piper. Who knows AMD ?
Jay Bannister
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Belcher <Z601c@anemicaardvark.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 5, 2010 5:02 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith.aero is down
On Thursday 05 August 2010 15:59:34 you wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Its my understanding that AMD and Zenith are two totally different
> companies. There is/was a Heintz brother at each company though. I'm
> not sure how many folks who are buying PiperSports or AMD planes for
> that matter would buy a kit instead....
Good points, all.
I'm not sure, in the fiction that surrounds corporations, how much differe
nce
there really is between the two companies. I was told once that all that
was
needed for two corporations was at least one person in each corporation wh
o
held one or more shares of stock, but who did not hold stock in the other
corporation. Me, I'm not a lawyer, but a techie, so I don't know for sure.
I didn't mean to suggest that buyers of the kit were candidates for a fini
shed
plane, or vice-versa. Rather, I meant that AMD and Piper had virtually the
same finished aircraft, competing for the same $.
--
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Jim B. Belcher
BS,MS Physics, Math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
General Radio Telephone Certificate
Instrument Rated Pilot
Retired Aerospace Technical Manager
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith.aero is down |
The Piper LSA has 3/8" spar doublers we have 1/4"...
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith.aero is down |
AMD www.newplane.com is up too.
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Tearing wings apart for modification
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