---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/31/10: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:49 AM - Re: flaps (decorte johnny) 2. 12:40 PM - Rivets (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net) 3. 02:37 PM - Chat Room (George Race) 4. 07:32 PM - Re: Question about Riveting tand the XL Upgrade (japhillipsga@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:49:05 AM PST US From: "decorte johnny" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: flaps ok will do thank you http://www.lafermeaquatique.com ----- Original Message ----- From: JohnDRead@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 2:30 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: flaps Johnny; I have attached the 750 parts catalog which shows on page 9 how the linear actuator is connected to the flaps. It should not be difficult to install a linear actuator to the flap actuator tube of the 701. I have attached a picture of the 701 controls that should help. I think it should be possible to remove the flap actuator tube and attach a linear actuator to the same place that the actuator rod was connected to. do not archive. Regards, John CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300 Cell: 719-494-4567 Home: 303-648-3261 In a message dated 10/30/2010 9:35:00 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, sanyu@wanadoo.fr writes: hello everybody i am from france and fly the 701 //rotax912- 80 hp since more then 1250 hr now one question to the 701 pilots and owners i like to modified my manual operated flaps to electric operated flaps if posibli i like to have some comments from the 701 flyers and also from people who have done this modification on the 701 ps sorry for the bad englisch decorte johnny / france http://www.lafermeaquatique.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:40 PM PST US From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net Subject: Zenith-List: Rivets Jeff, We have "Upgraded" 2 XL's and learned early on that it takes a 4X gun and a 5# bucking bar to set the #6 rivets. You may be able to borrow a 4X gun from an EAA member near you. Most of them are being stored in a box somewhere. don't forget to oil it often. Bobby Do Not Archive. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:04 PM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Room Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT http://www.mykitairplane.com Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page. George ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Question about Riveting tand the XL Upgrade From: japhillipsga@aol.com Jeff, I just finished my wings and I used bolts. Easy and better. -----Original Message----- From: Ronald Steele Sent: Sat, Oct 30, 2010 8:16 pm Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Question about Riveting tand the XL Upgrade My wings aren't closed so I could just lay the spars on the table. This doesn't apply if you are doing this on partially assembled wings. At the suggestion of my EAA tech counsoler, here's what I did, and they ca me out perfectly. I used the 1 ton arbor press from Harbor Freight ($50) which my counselor loaned me. I drilled the "table" to accept the rivet "cup". Polish is the bottom of the press. Lay the spar on over the table with th e rivet head down in the "cup". Lower the press down onto the rive and ap ply about as much pressure as you can and then hit with a sledge. I used a 4 pounder. It takes 4 or 5 blows per rivet. I screwed up two when I got in a hurry, but all the rest came out perfectly. I'd say for someon e with no experience, the is the cheapest and most foolproof way to set th ese rivets. Oh, I also bought a 1/4lb of 1" rivets and a rivet cutter from ACS and use d these for practice on Home Depot aluminum until I was confident in the process. Ron On Oct 30, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Jeffrey J Paris wrote: Hello Zenith Comunity, Today I had my friend George an experienced RV-6 builder come over to my hanger and help me set rivets for my CH601XL upgrade project. We were us ing a 3X rivet gun and a 2.5 lb. bucking bar we had little problem shootin g the solid MS20470AD-5-11 rivets on the center spar. However, when we tu rned our attention to the -6/3/16" Diameter rivets for the wing spar upgra de we were having a difficult time making the shop heads the correct diame ter and the manufactured head on the rivet was beat up as well. Overall, the rivets were not acceptable to us: Anyways we took our quest ions over to our local DAR friend and he advised that probably a 4X and mo re likely a 5X gun matched with at least a 4-5 lb. bucking bar would do th e job satisfactorily. Well my problem lies in the fact that I do not have a 4or 5X gun available and the puneumatic rivet squeezer we borrowed from the DAR could not cleat the newly installed spar angle for the mod. I guess we are looking at ordering a mess of bolt hardware from ACSpruce if I can't find an easier and acceptable way to set these rivets; has any one else out there had the same problem? Are your rivets within acceptabl e aircraft grade standards? I'd be interested in finding out a bit more. 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