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0. 12:11 AM - What's My Contribution Used For? (Matt Dralle)
1. 06:43 AM - Re: POH No good for Check Ride (FLYaDIVE)
2. 11:51 AM - Re: POH No good for Check Ride (Juan Vega)
3. 11:52 AM - Re: POH No good for Check Ride (Juan Vega)
4. 01:48 PM - Re: POH No good for Check Ride (PatrickW)
5. 02:52 PM - Re: POH No good for Check Ride (John Blackburn)
6. 03:07 PM - Re: POH No good for Check Ride (FLYaDIVE)
7. 03:16 PM - Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL (FLYaDIVE)
8. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: POH No good for Check Ride (George Swinford)
9. 03:36 PM - Re: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL (Craig Payne)
10. 03:38 PM - Re: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL (jaybannist@cs.com)
11. 04:33 PM - Re: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL (Don Honabach)
12. 06:24 PM - Re: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
13. 06:43 PM - Re: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL (Paul Mulwitz)
14. 06:49 PM - Re: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL (FLYaDIVE)
15. 07:05 PM - Re: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL (jaybannist@cs.com)
16. 08:09 PM - 601xl builders (Elden Jacobson)
17. 08:24 PM - Re: 601xl builders (Paul Mulwitz)
18. 08:45 PM - Re: 601xl builders (Rick Lindstrom)
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| Subject: | Re: POH No good for Check Ride |
John:
Get a hold of a Grumman AA5 POH. It has next to nothing. If I can get
it scanned for you I'll send you a copy. How the FAA let this POH go is
beyond me.
Barry
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| Subject: | POH No good for Check Ride |
here is what I have in mine.
Jabiru spec sheet
Trouble shooting Jabiru section.
Basic mainentance engine section
Weight and Balance
Electric diagram
fuel diagram
prpoeller specs
List of instruments and pages from opertion manuals (Dynons) compass, radio and
trasnponder etc...
Speed limation diagram, spec sheet
you can cut and paste from the kit plans , the jabiru specs, .
The POH is to make it so that a person who has never been in one, can read it
and know all the basics of the aircraft.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Nov 16, 2010 9:45 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: POH No good for Check Ride
>
>Here is an idea: You might try to add an appendix or two to your POH. The
>Dynon User Manual and the Jabiru Maintenance Manual would do nicely. What
>is in a 172 manual varies quite a bit. I have a club owned Cessna 172M. It
>is a 1974 Skyhawk. The POH is about 3/16 of an inch thick but it is the
>official POH issued by the manufacturer.
>
>Jeff Davidson
>
>
>
> _____
>
>Guys,
>
> I went to take my Instrument Check ride in my 601XL-B today.
>Everything was in order etc. except my Pilot Operating Handbook. I cleared
>taking the check ride with the examiner in my 601 over 6 months ago before
>I started training and 5 minutes into the oral portion today we had to stop
>because he didn't think I had enough information in my POH for him to quiz
>me on my aircrafts systems. The fact that I built the thing isn't proof
>enough that I know how everything works. Currently my POH has V speeds, all
>types of procedures, maintenance info, W&B, fuel burn etc info in it.
>
>A call to the local FISDO said the same thing. I need a POH that contains
>enough information for the examiner to quiz me on all the systems in the
>aircraft. When I asked for an example of what exactly they wanted I was
>referred to "Everything that's in a 172 POH" which I think is a bit
>overkill. In an effort save 100's of hours making take off & landing
>performance graphs (yes they asked for these) and many other drawings does
>anyone have a good through POH for the 601XL using a Jabiru 3300 engine and
>preferably a Dynon EFIS? The one from Zenith is good but I can't copy and
>paste and it's the wrong engine with steam gauges. Any help would be greatly
>appreciated!
>
>Thanks!
>
>John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | POH No good for Check Ride |
oh yeah,
add the emergency check list and the preflight and landing check lists.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Nov 16, 2010 9:45 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: POH No good for Check Ride
>
>Here is an idea: You might try to add an appendix or two to your POH. The
>Dynon User Manual and the Jabiru Maintenance Manual would do nicely. What
>is in a 172 manual varies quite a bit. I have a club owned Cessna 172M. It
>is a 1974 Skyhawk. The POH is about 3/16 of an inch thick but it is the
>official POH issued by the manufacturer.
>
>Jeff Davidson
>
>
>
> _____
>
>Guys,
>
> I went to take my Instrument Check ride in my 601XL-B today.
>Everything was in order etc. except my Pilot Operating Handbook. I cleared
>taking the check ride with the examiner in my 601 over 6 months ago before
>I started training and 5 minutes into the oral portion today we had to stop
>because he didn't think I had enough information in my POH for him to quiz
>me on my aircrafts systems. The fact that I built the thing isn't proof
>enough that I know how everything works. Currently my POH has V speeds, all
>types of procedures, maintenance info, W&B, fuel burn etc info in it.
>
>A call to the local FISDO said the same thing. I need a POH that contains
>enough information for the examiner to quiz me on all the systems in the
>aircraft. When I asked for an example of what exactly they wanted I was
>referred to "Everything that's in a 172 POH" which I think is a bit
>overkill. In an effort save 100's of hours making take off & landing
>performance graphs (yes they asked for these) and many other drawings does
>anyone have a good through POH for the 601XL using a Jabiru 3300 engine and
>preferably a Dynon EFIS? The one from Zenith is good but I can't copy and
>paste and it's the wrong engine with steam gauges. Any help would be greatly
>appreciated!
>
>Thanks!
>
>John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: POH No good for Check Ride |
jblackburn(at)bullexsafet wrote:
> I cleared taking the check ride with the examiner in my 601 over 6 months ago
before I started training and 5 minutes into the oral portion today we had to
stop because he didnt think
No doubt he "heard something" shortly before meeting with you, and was looking
for an excuse not to fly in your airplane.
He just doesn't have the balls to be honest with you.
I'd find a different examiner...
- Pat
--------
Patrick
XL/650/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319832#319832
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| Subject: | POH No good for Check Ride |
Guys,
Thanks for all the posts and replies back. I'm going to tak
e everyone's suggestions and a few of the POH's I got from folks and put it
all together. FWIW I got this back from the FIDSO this afternoon:
"got in touch with the FAA in Oklahoma Mr. Dave Shadwick, manager of testin
g, and got some guidance for Examining an applicant in a Experimental Aircr
aft. And The answer is, the decision to test is left up to the examiner if
He/She is comfortable to provide the Checkride as long as the PTS can be me
t."
So I'm going to improve my POH but the solution seems to be I n
eed to find a different examiner. Thanks again for all the help!
John
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Blackburn
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: POH No good for Check Ride
Guys,
I went to take my Instrument Check ride in my 601XL-B today
. Everything was in order etc. except my Pilot Operating Handbook. I cleare
d taking the check ride with the examiner in my 601 over 6 months ago befo
re I started training and 5 minutes into the oral portion today we had to s
top because he didn't think I had enough information in my POH for him to q
uiz me on my aircrafts systems. The fact that I built the thing isn't proof
enough that I know how everything works. Currently my POH has V speeds, al
l types of procedures, maintenance info, W&B, fuel burn etc info in it.
A call to the local FISDO said the same thing. I need a POH that contains e
nough information for the examiner to quiz me on all the systems in the air
craft. When I asked for an example of what exactly they wanted I was referr
ed to "Everything that's in a 172 POH" which I think is a bit overkill. In
an effort save 100's of hours making take off & landing performance graphs
(yes they asked for these) and many other drawings does anyone have a good
through POH for the 601XL using a Jabiru 3300 engine and preferably a Dynon
EFIS? The one from Zenith is good but I can't copy and paste and it's the
wrong engine with steam gauges. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
John
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| Subject: | Re: POH No good for Check Ride |
John:
Take a look at the Cessna POH, the format they use is common throughout the
industry.
Each section is the SAME for each GA POH out there.
So if you follow that you should not go wrong.
AND if the examiner questions your layout just drop a Cessna POH on the
desk.
The idea of getting a different examiner is a good one... But, they do have
a common database where the forms are maintained. Your new one should have
done their homework in reading it. SOooooo you will still have to answer
the same questions just the new one might be more realistic.
BEST OF LUCK.
Barry
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 5:52 PM, John Blackburn <jblackburn@bullexsafety.co
m
> wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Thanks for all the posts and replies back. I=92m going to
> take everyone=92s suggestions and a few of the POH=92s I got from folks a
nd put
> it all together. FWIW I got this back from the FIDSO this afternoon:
>
> =93got in touch with the FAA in Oklahoma Mr. Dave Shadwick, manager of
> testing, and got some guidance for Examining an applicant in a Experiment
al
> Aircraft. And The answer is, the decision to test is left up to the exami
ner
> if He/She is comfortable to provide the Checkride as long as the PTS can
be
> met.=94
>
> So I=92m going to improve my POH but the solution seems to be
I
> need to find a different examiner. Thanks again for all the help!
>
> John
>
>
> *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Blackburn
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:36 PM
>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Zenith-List: POH No good for Check Ride
>
>
> Guys,
>
> I went to take my Instrument Check ride in my 601XL-B
> today. Everything was in order etc. except my Pilot Operating Handbook. I
> cleared taking the check ride with the examiner in my 601 over 6 months
ago
> before I started training and 5 minutes into the oral portion today we ha
d
> to stop because he didn=92t think I had enough information in my POH for
him
> to quiz me on my aircrafts systems. The fact that I built the thing isn
=92t
> proof enough that I know how everything works. Currently my POH has V
> speeds, all types of procedures, maintenance info, W&B, fuel burn etc inf
o
> in it.
>
> A call to the local FISDO said the same thing. I need a POH that contains
> enough information for the examiner to quiz me on all the systems in the
> aircraft. When I asked for an example of what exactly they wanted I was
> referred to =93Everything that=92s in a 172 POH=94 which I think is a bit
> overkill. In an effort save 100=92s of hours making take off & landing
> performance graphs (yes they asked for these) and many other drawings doe
s
> anyone have a good through POH for the 601XL using a Jabiru 3300 engine a
nd
> preferably a Dynon EFIS? The one from Zenith is good but I can=92t copy a
nd
> paste and it=92s the wrong engine with steam gauges. Any help would be gr
eatly
> appreciated!
>
> Thanks!
>
> John
>
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| Subject: | Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL |
Hi Gaggle:
I am looking at a CH601XL for purchase. I'm learning from the collective
but, I do not feel I have enough information or knowledge to perform my own
Pre-Purchase.
Are there and Documents / Safety Inspection forms to guide me through?
How would you suggest I go through the steps of inspection this plane
and VERIFYING that ALL the Service Bulletins are complied with. The owner
states the plane is in compliance with MOD B. How do I go
about verifying that?
This is the BIGGIE - This is the Big Step.
Thanks Gaggle.
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: POH No good for Check Ride |
Another thought: Without a POH to refer to, the examiner has no way to
verify the answers to his questions, and so no way to be sure his butt is
covered should you have an accident later on.
George
----- Original Message -----
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 1:45 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: POH No good for Check Ride
>
>
> jblackburn(at)bullexsafet wrote:
>> I cleared taking the check ride with the examiner in my 601 over 6
>> months ago before I started training and 5 minutes into the oral portion
>> today we had to stop because he didn?Tt think
>
> No doubt he "heard something" shortly before meeting with you, and was
> looking for an excuse not to fly in your airplane.
>
> He just doesn't have the balls to be honest with you.
>
> I'd find a different examiner...
>
> - Pat
>
> --------
> Patrick
> XL/650/Corvair
> N63PZ (reserved)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319832#319832
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL |
If he has done the B mod then he has the plans for it from Zenith. You can
go through the plans page by page with him. Hopefully he took photos before
he closed the wings up.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:13 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL
Hi Gaggle:
I am looking at a CH601XL for purchase. I'm learning from the collective
but, I do not feel I have enough information or knowledge to perform my own
Pre-Purchase.
Are there and Documents / Safety Inspection forms to guide me through?
How would you suggest I go through the steps of inspection this plane and
VERIFYING that ALL the Service Bulletins are complied with. The owner
states the plane is in compliance with MOD B. How do I go about verifying
that?
This is the BIGGIE - This is the Big Step.
Thanks Gaggle.
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL |
Barry,
Your post begs a couple of questions: 1) Are you a member of a local EAA
chapter? And 2) Where are you located?
-----Original Message-----
From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:12 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL
Hi Gaggle:
I am looking at a CH601XL for purchase. I'm learning from the collective
but, I do not feel I have enough information or knowledge to perform my
own Pre-Purchase.
Are there and Documents / Safety Inspection forms to guide me through?
How would you suggest I go through the steps of inspection this plane and
VERIFYING that ALL the Service Bulletins are complied with. The owner st
ates the plane is in compliance with MOD B. How do I go about verifying
that?
This is the BIGGIE - This is the Big Step.
Thanks Gaggle.
Barry
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| Subject: | Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL |
As Experimental Kool Aid Drinkers we often forget that others in aviation d
on't share our love and more importantly our trust of ANY DESIGN or AIRPLAN
E in the experimental world.
I believe the phrase of swimming uphill and such accurately describes getti
ng most FSDO's involved in either the inspection process or flying in an ex
perimental design for certification flights.
I attended an EAA Workshop a few weeks ago and the instructor told me of hi
s experience with getting his plane signed off by the local FSDO. They want
ed every item in the builder's log signed and dated like it was the engine/
airframe log kept to certificated standards. In contrast, my DAR barely eve
n looked at my builder's log as it was obvious that I had built my plane. I
've seen/heard similar nitpicking from other builders as well when dealing
with the FSDO.
The thing that I came away with on all this is that whenever possible avoid
the FSDO if at all possible. Don't get me wrong, they aren't bad, evil peo
ple or anything like that; they just view the world differently.
Don
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:33 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL
If he has done the B mod then he has the plans for it from Zenith. You can
go through the plans page by page with him. Hopefully he took photos before
he closed the wings up.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:13 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL
Hi Gaggle:
I am looking at a CH601XL for purchase. I'm learning from the collective b
ut, I do not feel I have enough information or knowledge to perform my own
Pre-Purchase.
Are there and Documents / Safety Inspection forms to guide me through?
How would you suggest I go through the steps of inspection this plane and V
ERIFYING that ALL the Service Bulletins are complied with. The owner state
s the plane is in compliance with MOD B. How do I go about verifying that?
This is the BIGGIE - This is the Big Step.
Thanks Gaggle.
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL |
One thing you can do is to open the bell crank inspection covers and look
fwd to the top of the spar and see how the driven rivets look. If they look
bad I wouldn't buy the plane. Also look at the bell crank itself and see that
it is attached solid i.e.: no double drilling or sloppy holes. I would also
look in the fuel tank access covers at the workmanship of the nose ribs and
the root doubler.
I am going Friday to look at a newly purchased 601xlb that had some issues
on the way to the new owners airport I am not sure if it was pilot error or
bad rigging but the plane got inverted at about 600 feet and thank God no
one was killed but it had the upgrade and I think that is a testament to the
new strength of the 601/650 I will be looking for structural damage and re
rigging the aircraft before bringing it back for a 100% inspection. I am only
telling you this so you are aware of the hidden things you should look for
so take a mirror and a flashlight and ask a ton of questions and if you still
feel uneasy get someone else to inspect it for you.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL |
Hi Don,
I was at a meeting with some high level FAA folks last week and asked about
the choices I could/should make about getting my XL inspected. The big
point was to contact my local MIDO rather than FSDO. The MIDO folks are in
the airplane inspection business along with other related stuff like factory
inspections. FSDO are mostly about pilot stuff but also can do
experimental inspections.
I was told to call the MIDO and that they might offer to inspect it (with
some schedule delay) or suggest a DAR to do the job for them. Apparently
the DARs all report to their local MIDO.
Paul
XL still doing the upgrade
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Honabach
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL
As Experimental Kool Aid Drinkers we often forget that others in aviation
don't share our love and more importantly our trust of ANY DESIGN or
AIRPLANE in the experimental world.
I believe the phrase of swimming uphill and such accurately describes
getting most FSDO's involved in either the inspection process or flying in
an experimental design for certification flights.
I attended an EAA Workshop a few weeks ago and the instructor told me of his
experience with getting his plane signed off by the local FSDO. They wanted
every item in the builder's log signed and dated like it was the
engine/airframe log kept to certificated standards. In contrast, my DAR
barely even looked at my builder's log as it was obvious that I had built my
plane. I've seen/heard similar nitpicking from other builders as well when
dealing with the FSDO.
The thing that I came away with on all this is that whenever possible avoid
the FSDO if at all possible. Don't get me wrong, they aren't bad, evil
people or anything like that; they just view the world differently.
Don
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:33 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL
If he has done the B mod then he has the plans for it from Zenith. You can
go through the plans page by page with him. Hopefully he took photos before
he closed the wings up.
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:13 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL
Hi Gaggle:
I am looking at a CH601XL for purchase. I'm learning from the collective
but, I do not feel I have enough information or knowledge to perform my own
Pre-Purchase.
Are there and Documents / Safety Inspection forms to guide me through?
How would you suggest I go through the steps of inspection this plane and
VERIFYING that ALL the Service Bulletins are complied with. The owner
states the plane is in compliance with MOD B. How do I go about verifying
that?
This is the BIGGIE - This is the Big Step.
Thanks Gaggle.
Barry
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Hi Jay:
Not a member of the
EAA but I do go to two chapters in my area.
I am located in Central NJ
Barry
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 6:35 PM, <jaybannist@cs.com> wrote:
> Barry,
>
> Your post begs a couple of questions: 1) Are you a member of a local EAA
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:12 pm
> Subject: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL
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> Hi Gaggle:
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> I am looking at a CH601XL for purchase. I'm learning from the collectiv
e
> but, I do not feel I have enough information or knowledge to perform my o
wn
> Pre-Purchase.
> Are there and Documents / Safety Inspection forms to guide me through?
>
> How would you suggest I go through the steps of inspection this plane
> and VERIFYING that ALL the Service Bulletins are complied with. The owne
r
> states the plane is in compliance with MOD B. How do I go
> about verifying that?
>
> This is the BIGGIE - This is the Big Step.
>
> Thanks Gaggle.
>
> Barry
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Barry,
I strongly suggest you get someone familiar with the 601XL to help you wit
h an inspection. See if you can contact Phil Maxson. He has built and fli
es a great 601XL. He might be able to help or guide you to someone who ca
n. You might also ask around your EAA chapters to see if anyone can help.
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL
Hi Jay:
Not a member of the
EAA but I do go to two chapters in my area.
I am located in Central NJ
Barry
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 6:35 PM, <jaybannist@cs.com> wrote:
Barry,
Your post begs a couple of questions: 1) Are you a member of a local EAA
chapter? And 2) Where are you located?
-----Original Message-----
From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:12 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL
Hi Gaggle:
I am looking at a CH601XL for purchase. I'm learning from the collective
but, I do not feel I have enough information or knowledge to perform my
own Pre-Purchase.
Are there and Documents / Safety Inspection forms to guide me through?
How would you suggest I go through the steps of inspection this plane and
VERIFYING that ALL the Service Bulletins are complied with. The owner st
ates the plane is in compliance with MOD B. How do I go about verifying
that?
This is the BIGGIE - This is the Big Step.
Thanks Gaggle.
Barry
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Just a brief note to say that I am leaving the Matronics list and to expres
s my deep thanks for its assistance during these past four years.-
-
I learned to fly in 1945 and did so regularly until 1956, when both parents
died in the crash of their new Cessan 170. The years go by; I married a wo
man in 1982 who shared my wish to build and fly; indeed, about that time we
traveled to Eloy AZ to fly in the Dragonfly. And then, in the summer of 20
06, I met Michael Heintz and the 601 and the new LSA category; instant love
. Our kit was delivered six months later, just about the time the first acc
idents occurred. And as with many of you, work generally stopped while the
issues involved cascaded throughout the List. Also, as with many of you, th
e announcement that a modification kit would be available rekindled a sense
of cautious optimism. The up-grade was nearly completed by mid-August; "pe
rhaps by next spring...."
-
But, no.-In mid-August-I was diagnosed as having cancer. Perhaps it is
enough to simply say that this 60-year-old dream will not now happen; at ag
e eighty, other priorities (including relocation back to the East coast)-
have suddenly become-central. In what is one of the truly difficult decis
ions we have had to make, I am selling my 601.
-
My gratitude for the List is quite profound. While not participating often,
it has been read almost daily with much interest; individuals such as Larr
y McFarland, Paul Mulwitz, Rick Lindstrom and Terry Phillips (there obvious
ly are numerous others)-were unusually helpful during the confusion of 20
08-9, and from the List I have-put together a supplemental construction m
anual of well over a thousand pages. That-I cannot now act on all of this
is a deep disappointment indeed.
-
Again, thank you all. The sight of a 601 in flight will bring back a fascin
ating experience.
-
Elden Jacobson
601xl/3300=0A=0A=0A
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Eldon,
I am personally sorry to see you go. You have been a good family member.
Good luck,
Paul
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elden Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 8:05 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601xl builders
Just a brief note to say that I am leaving the Matronics list and to express
my deep thanks for its assistance during these past four years.
I learned to fly in 1945 and did so regularly until 1956, when both parents
died in the crash of their new Cessan 170. The years go by; I married a
woman in 1982 who shared my wish to build and fly; indeed, about that time
we traveled to Eloy AZ to fly in the Dragonfly. And then, in the summer of
2006, I met Michael Heintz and the 601 and the new LSA category; instant
love. Our kit was delivered six months later, just about the time the first
accidents occurred. And as with many of you, work generally stopped while
the issues involved cascaded throughout the List. Also, as with many of you,
the announcement that a modification kit would be available rekindled a
sense of cautious optimism. The up-grade was nearly completed by mid-August;
"perhaps by next spring...."
But, no. In mid-August I was diagnosed as having cancer. Perhaps it is
enough to simply say that this 60-year-old dream will not now happen; at age
eighty, other priorities (including relocation back to the East coast) have
suddenly become central. In what is one of the truly difficult decisions we
have had to make, I am selling my 601.
My gratitude for the List is quite profound. While not participating often,
it has been read almost daily with much interest; individuals such as Larry
McFarland, Paul Mulwitz, Rick Lindstrom and Terry Phillips (there obviously
are numerous others) were unusually helpful during the confusion of 2008-9,
and from the List I have put together a supplemental construction manual of
well over a thousand pages. That I cannot now act on all of this is a deep
disappointment indeed.
Again, thank you all. The sight of a 601 in flight will bring back a
fascinating experience.
Elden Jacobson
601xl/3300
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl builders |
Elden, I am so sorry to hear of your diagnosis, and that you won't be able to finally
fly your 601 after all the trials and tribulations. You've got my respect
for staying with it for as long as possible, and I sincerely hope that you
can take pride in all that you've done.
My best wishes and hopes for you, and yours.
Rick Lindstrom
N42KP 601XLB / Corvair
-----Original Message-----
>From: Elden Jacobson <eldenej@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Nov 17, 2010 8:04 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: 601xl builders
>
>Just a brief note to say that I am leaving the Matronics list and to express my
deep thanks for its assistance during these past four years.
>
>I learned to fly in 1945 and did so regularly until 1956, when both parents died
in the crash of their new Cessan 170. The years go by; I married a woman in
1982 who shared my wish to build and fly; indeed, about that time we traveled
to Eloy AZ to fly in the Dragonfly. And then, in the summer of 2006, I met Michael
Heintz and the 601 and the new LSA category; instant love. Our kit was delivered
six months later, just about the time the first accidents occurred. And
as with many of you, work generally stopped while the issues involved cascaded
throughout the List. Also, as with many of you, the announcement that a modification
kit would be available rekindled a sense of cautious optimism. The
up-grade was nearly completed by mid-August; "perhaps by next spring...."
>
>But, no.In mid-AugustI was diagnosed as having cancer. Perhaps it is enough to
simply say that this 60-year-old dream will not now happen; at age eighty, other
priorities (including relocation back to the East coast)have suddenly becomecentral.
In what is one of the truly difficult decisions we have had to make,
I am selling my 601.
>
>My gratitude for the List is quite profound. While not participating often, it
has been read almost daily with much interest; individuals such as Larry McFarland,
Paul Mulwitz, Rick Lindstrom and Terry Phillips (there obviously are numerous
others)were unusually helpful during the confusion of 2008-9, and from
the List I haveput together a supplemental construction manual of well over a
thousand pages. ThatI cannot now act on all of this is a deep disappointment indeed.
>
>Again, thank you all. The sight of a 601 in flight will bring back a fascinating
experience.
>
>Elden Jacobson
>601xl/3300
>
>
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