---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/17/10: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:11 AM - What's My Contribution Used For? (Matt Dralle) 1. 06:43 AM - Re: POH No good for Check Ride (FLYaDIVE) 2. 11:51 AM - Re: POH No good for Check Ride (Juan Vega) 3. 11:52 AM - Re: POH No good for Check Ride (Juan Vega) 4. 01:48 PM - Re: POH No good for Check Ride (PatrickW) 5. 02:52 PM - Re: POH No good for Check Ride (John Blackburn) 6. 03:07 PM - Re: POH No good for Check Ride (FLYaDIVE) 7. 03:16 PM - Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL (FLYaDIVE) 8. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: POH No good for Check Ride (George Swinford) 9. 03:36 PM - Re: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL (Craig Payne) 10. 03:38 PM - Re: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL (jaybannist@cs.com) 11. 04:33 PM - Re: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL (Don Honabach) 12. 06:24 PM - Re: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 13. 06:43 PM - Re: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL (Paul Mulwitz) 14. 06:49 PM - Re: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL (FLYaDIVE) 15. 07:05 PM - Re: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL (jaybannist@cs.com) 16. 08:09 PM - 601xl builders (Elden Jacobson) 17. 08:24 PM - Re: 601xl builders (Paul Mulwitz) 18. 08:45 PM - Re: 601xl builders (Rick Lindstrom) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:07 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: What's My Contribution Used For? Dear Listers, Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki. But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the best investments you can make in your Sport... List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: POH No good for Check Ride From: FLYaDIVE John: Get a hold of a Grumman AA5 POH. It has next to nothing. If I can get it scanned for you I'll send you a copy. How the FAA let this POH go is beyond me. Barry * * *YOU ARE NOT * *WE ARE* *BECAUSE WE WERE * *YOU ARE* * * *The words to be inserted are VETERANS=92 and FREE* *Thank you Veterans!* ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:49 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: RE: Zenith-List: POH No good for Check Ride here is what I have in mine. Jabiru spec sheet Trouble shooting Jabiru section. Basic mainentance engine section Weight and Balance Electric diagram fuel diagram prpoeller specs List of instruments and pages from opertion manuals (Dynons) compass, radio and trasnponder etc... Speed limation diagram, spec sheet you can cut and paste from the kit plans , the jabiru specs, . The POH is to make it so that a person who has never been in one, can read it and know all the basics of the aircraft. -----Original Message----- >From: Jeff >Sent: Nov 16, 2010 9:45 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: POH No good for Check Ride > >Here is an idea: You might try to add an appendix or two to your POH. The >Dynon User Manual and the Jabiru Maintenance Manual would do nicely. What >is in a 172 manual varies quite a bit. I have a club owned Cessna 172M. It >is a 1974 Skyhawk. The POH is about 3/16 of an inch thick but it is the >official POH issued by the manufacturer. > >Jeff Davidson > > > > _____ > >Guys, > > I went to take my Instrument Check ride in my 601XL-B today. >Everything was in order etc. except my Pilot Operating Handbook. I cleared >taking the check ride with the examiner in my 601 over 6 months ago before >I started training and 5 minutes into the oral portion today we had to stop >because he didn't think I had enough information in my POH for him to quiz >me on my aircrafts systems. The fact that I built the thing isn't proof >enough that I know how everything works. Currently my POH has V speeds, all >types of procedures, maintenance info, W&B, fuel burn etc info in it. > >A call to the local FISDO said the same thing. I need a POH that contains >enough information for the examiner to quiz me on all the systems in the >aircraft. When I asked for an example of what exactly they wanted I was >referred to "Everything that's in a 172 POH" which I think is a bit >overkill. In an effort save 100's of hours making take off & landing >performance graphs (yes they asked for these) and many other drawings does >anyone have a good through POH for the 601XL using a Jabiru 3300 engine and >preferably a Dynon EFIS? The one from Zenith is good but I can't copy and >paste and it's the wrong engine with steam gauges. Any help would be greatly >appreciated! > >Thanks! > >John > > > > > > > > >Do not archive > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:52:16 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: RE: Zenith-List: POH No good for Check Ride oh yeah, add the emergency check list and the preflight and landing check lists. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Jeff >Sent: Nov 16, 2010 9:45 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: POH No good for Check Ride > >Here is an idea: You might try to add an appendix or two to your POH. The >Dynon User Manual and the Jabiru Maintenance Manual would do nicely. What >is in a 172 manual varies quite a bit. I have a club owned Cessna 172M. It >is a 1974 Skyhawk. The POH is about 3/16 of an inch thick but it is the >official POH issued by the manufacturer. > >Jeff Davidson > > > > _____ > >Guys, > > I went to take my Instrument Check ride in my 601XL-B today. >Everything was in order etc. except my Pilot Operating Handbook. I cleared >taking the check ride with the examiner in my 601 over 6 months ago before >I started training and 5 minutes into the oral portion today we had to stop >because he didn't think I had enough information in my POH for him to quiz >me on my aircrafts systems. The fact that I built the thing isn't proof >enough that I know how everything works. Currently my POH has V speeds, all >types of procedures, maintenance info, W&B, fuel burn etc info in it. > >A call to the local FISDO said the same thing. I need a POH that contains >enough information for the examiner to quiz me on all the systems in the >aircraft. When I asked for an example of what exactly they wanted I was >referred to "Everything that's in a 172 POH" which I think is a bit >overkill. In an effort save 100's of hours making take off & landing >performance graphs (yes they asked for these) and many other drawings does >anyone have a good through POH for the 601XL using a Jabiru 3300 engine and >preferably a Dynon EFIS? The one from Zenith is good but I can't copy and >paste and it's the wrong engine with steam gauges. Any help would be greatly >appreciated! > >Thanks! > >John > > > > > > > > >Do not archive > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:48:49 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: POH No good for Check Ride From: "PatrickW" jblackburn(at)bullexsafet wrote: > I cleared taking the check ride with the examiner in my 601 over 6 months ago before I started training and 5 minutes into the oral portion today we had to stop because he didnt think No doubt he "heard something" shortly before meeting with you, and was looking for an excuse not to fly in your airplane. He just doesn't have the balls to be honest with you. I'd find a different examiner... - Pat -------- Patrick XL/650/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319832#319832 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:22 PM PST US From: John Blackburn Subject: RE: Zenith-List: POH No good for Check Ride Guys, Thanks for all the posts and replies back. I'm going to tak e everyone's suggestions and a few of the POH's I got from folks and put it all together. FWIW I got this back from the FIDSO this afternoon: "got in touch with the FAA in Oklahoma Mr. Dave Shadwick, manager of testin g, and got some guidance for Examining an applicant in a Experimental Aircr aft. And The answer is, the decision to test is left up to the examiner if He/She is comfortable to provide the Checkride as long as the PTS can be me t." So I'm going to improve my POH but the solution seems to be I n eed to find a different examiner. Thanks again for all the help! John From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Blackburn Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:36 PM Subject: Zenith-List: POH No good for Check Ride Guys, I went to take my Instrument Check ride in my 601XL-B today . Everything was in order etc. except my Pilot Operating Handbook. I cleare d taking the check ride with the examiner in my 601 over 6 months ago befo re I started training and 5 minutes into the oral portion today we had to s top because he didn't think I had enough information in my POH for him to q uiz me on my aircrafts systems. The fact that I built the thing isn't proof enough that I know how everything works. Currently my POH has V speeds, al l types of procedures, maintenance info, W&B, fuel burn etc info in it. A call to the local FISDO said the same thing. I need a POH that contains e nough information for the examiner to quiz me on all the systems in the air craft. When I asked for an example of what exactly they wanted I was referr ed to "Everything that's in a 172 POH" which I think is a bit overkill. In an effort save 100's of hours making take off & landing performance graphs (yes they asked for these) and many other drawings does anyone have a good through POH for the 601XL using a Jabiru 3300 engine and preferably a Dynon EFIS? The one from Zenith is good but I can't copy and paste and it's the wrong engine with steam gauges. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! John rsbooks.com> m> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: POH No good for Check Ride From: FLYaDIVE John: Take a look at the Cessna POH, the format they use is common throughout the industry. Each section is the SAME for each GA POH out there. So if you follow that you should not go wrong. AND if the examiner questions your layout just drop a Cessna POH on the desk. The idea of getting a different examiner is a good one... But, they do have a common database where the forms are maintained. Your new one should have done their homework in reading it. SOooooo you will still have to answer the same questions just the new one might be more realistic. BEST OF LUCK. Barry On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 5:52 PM, John Blackburn wrote: > Guys, > > Thanks for all the posts and replies back. I=92m going to > take everyone=92s suggestions and a few of the POH=92s I got from folks a nd put > it all together. FWIW I got this back from the FIDSO this afternoon: > > =93got in touch with the FAA in Oklahoma Mr. Dave Shadwick, manager of > testing, and got some guidance for Examining an applicant in a Experiment al > Aircraft. And The answer is, the decision to test is left up to the exami ner > if He/She is comfortable to provide the Checkride as long as the PTS can be > met.=94 > > So I=92m going to improve my POH but the solution seems to be I > need to find a different examiner. Thanks again for all the help! > > John > > > *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Blackburn > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:36 PM > > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Zenith-List: POH No good for Check Ride > > > Guys, > > I went to take my Instrument Check ride in my 601XL-B > today. Everything was in order etc. except my Pilot Operating Handbook. I > cleared taking the check ride with the examiner in my 601 over 6 months ago > before I started training and 5 minutes into the oral portion today we ha d > to stop because he didn=92t think I had enough information in my POH for him > to quiz me on my aircrafts systems. The fact that I built the thing isn =92t > proof enough that I know how everything works. Currently my POH has V > speeds, all types of procedures, maintenance info, W&B, fuel burn etc inf o > in it. > > A call to the local FISDO said the same thing. I need a POH that contains > enough information for the examiner to quiz me on all the systems in the > aircraft. When I asked for an example of what exactly they wanted I was > referred to =93Everything that=92s in a 172 POH=94 which I think is a bit > overkill. In an effort save 100=92s of hours making take off & landing > performance graphs (yes they asked for these) and many other drawings doe s > anyone have a good through POH for the 601XL using a Jabiru 3300 engine a nd > preferably a Dynon EFIS? The one from Zenith is good but I can=92t copy a nd > paste and it=92s the wrong engine with steam gauges. Any help would be gr eatly > appreciated! > > Thanks! > > John > > * * > > * * > > bsp; (And Get Some AWESOME href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">w ww.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comwww.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www.mat ronics.com/consp; -M========== ==== > hat, FAQ,* > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron ic > =================http://forums.matronic s.com > > * > =========== =========== =========== ============* > > -- *Barry* *=93Chop=92d Liver=94* * * *YOU ARE NOT * *WE ARE* *BECAUSE WE WERE * *YOU ARE* * * *The words to be inserted are VETERANS=92 and FREE* *Thank you Veterans!* ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:21 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL From: FLYaDIVE Hi Gaggle: I am looking at a CH601XL for purchase. I'm learning from the collective but, I do not feel I have enough information or knowledge to perform my own Pre-Purchase. Are there and Documents / Safety Inspection forms to guide me through? How would you suggest I go through the steps of inspection this plane and VERIFYING that ALL the Service Bulletins are complied with. The owner states the plane is in compliance with MOD B. How do I go about verifying that? This is the BIGGIE - This is the Big Step. Thanks Gaggle. Barry ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:04 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: POH No good for Check Ride Another thought: Without a POH to refer to, the examiner has no way to verify the answers to his questions, and so no way to be sure his butt is covered should you have an accident later on. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "PatrickW" Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: POH No good for Check Ride > > > jblackburn(at)bullexsafet wrote: >> I cleared taking the check ride with the examiner in my 601 over 6 >> months ago before I started training and 5 minutes into the oral portion >> today we had to stop because he didn?Tt think > > No doubt he "heard something" shortly before meeting with you, and was > looking for an excuse not to fly in your airplane. > > He just doesn't have the balls to be honest with you. > > I'd find a different examiner... > > - Pat > > -------- > Patrick > XL/650/Corvair > N63PZ (reserved) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319832#319832 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:37 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL If he has done the B mod then he has the plans for it from Zenith. You can go through the plans page by page with him. Hopefully he took photos before he closed the wings up. -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:13 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL Hi Gaggle: I am looking at a CH601XL for purchase. I'm learning from the collective but, I do not feel I have enough information or knowledge to perform my own Pre-Purchase. Are there and Documents / Safety Inspection forms to guide me through? How would you suggest I go through the steps of inspection this plane and VERIFYING that ALL the Service Bulletins are complied with. The owner states the plane is in compliance with MOD B. How do I go about verifying that? This is the BIGGIE - This is the Big Step. Thanks Gaggle. Barry ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL From: jaybannist@cs.com Barry, Your post begs a couple of questions: 1) Are you a member of a local EAA chapter? And 2) Where are you located? -----Original Message----- From: FLYaDIVE Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:12 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL Hi Gaggle: I am looking at a CH601XL for purchase. I'm learning from the collective but, I do not feel I have enough information or knowledge to perform my own Pre-Purchase. Are there and Documents / Safety Inspection forms to guide me through? How would you suggest I go through the steps of inspection this plane and VERIFYING that ALL the Service Bulletins are complied with. The owner st ates the plane is in compliance with MOD B. How do I go about verifying that? This is the BIGGIE - This is the Big Step. Thanks Gaggle. Barry ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:38 PM PST US From: Don Honabach Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL As Experimental Kool Aid Drinkers we often forget that others in aviation d on't share our love and more importantly our trust of ANY DESIGN or AIRPLAN E in the experimental world. I believe the phrase of swimming uphill and such accurately describes getti ng most FSDO's involved in either the inspection process or flying in an ex perimental design for certification flights. I attended an EAA Workshop a few weeks ago and the instructor told me of hi s experience with getting his plane signed off by the local FSDO. They want ed every item in the builder's log signed and dated like it was the engine/ airframe log kept to certificated standards. In contrast, my DAR barely eve n looked at my builder's log as it was obvious that I had built my plane. I 've seen/heard similar nitpicking from other builders as well when dealing with the FSDO. The thing that I came away with on all this is that whenever possible avoid the FSDO if at all possible. Don't get me wrong, they aren't bad, evil peo ple or anything like that; they just view the world differently. Don Do Not Archive From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:33 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL If he has done the B mod then he has the plans for it from Zenith. You can go through the plans page by page with him. Hopefully he took photos before he closed the wings up. -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:13 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL Hi Gaggle: I am looking at a CH601XL for purchase. I'm learning from the collective b ut, I do not feel I have enough information or knowledge to perform my own Pre-Purchase. Are there and Documents / Safety Inspection forms to guide me through? How would you suggest I go through the steps of inspection this plane and V ERIFYING that ALL the Service Bulletins are complied with. The owner state s the plane is in compliance with MOD B. How do I go about verifying that? This is the BIGGIE - This is the Big Step. Thanks Gaggle. Barry www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://forums.matronics.com rsbooks.com> m> ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:03 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL One thing you can do is to open the bell crank inspection covers and look fwd to the top of the spar and see how the driven rivets look. If they look bad I wouldn't buy the plane. Also look at the bell crank itself and see that it is attached solid i.e.: no double drilling or sloppy holes. I would also look in the fuel tank access covers at the workmanship of the nose ribs and the root doubler. I am going Friday to look at a newly purchased 601xlb that had some issues on the way to the new owners airport I am not sure if it was pilot error or bad rigging but the plane got inverted at about 600 feet and thank God no one was killed but it had the upgrade and I think that is a testament to the new strength of the 601/650 I will be looking for structural damage and re rigging the aircraft before bringing it back for a 100% inspection. I am only telling you this so you are aware of the hidden things you should look for so take a mirror and a flashlight and ask a ton of questions and if you still feel uneasy get someone else to inspect it for you. Jeff ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:42 PM PST US From: "Paul Mulwitz" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL Hi Don, I was at a meeting with some high level FAA folks last week and asked about the choices I could/should make about getting my XL inspected. The big point was to contact my local MIDO rather than FSDO. The MIDO folks are in the airplane inspection business along with other related stuff like factory inspections. FSDO are mostly about pilot stuff but also can do experimental inspections. I was told to call the MIDO and that they might offer to inspect it (with some schedule delay) or suggest a DAR to do the job for them. Apparently the DARs all report to their local MIDO. Paul XL still doing the upgrade From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Honabach Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:27 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL As Experimental Kool Aid Drinkers we often forget that others in aviation don't share our love and more importantly our trust of ANY DESIGN or AIRPLANE in the experimental world. I believe the phrase of swimming uphill and such accurately describes getting most FSDO's involved in either the inspection process or flying in an experimental design for certification flights. I attended an EAA Workshop a few weeks ago and the instructor told me of his experience with getting his plane signed off by the local FSDO. They wanted every item in the builder's log signed and dated like it was the engine/airframe log kept to certificated standards. In contrast, my DAR barely even looked at my builder's log as it was obvious that I had built my plane. I've seen/heard similar nitpicking from other builders as well when dealing with the FSDO. The thing that I came away with on all this is that whenever possible avoid the FSDO if at all possible. Don't get me wrong, they aren't bad, evil people or anything like that; they just view the world differently. Don Do Not Archive From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:33 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL If he has done the B mod then he has the plans for it from Zenith. You can go through the plans page by page with him. Hopefully he took photos before he closed the wings up. -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:13 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL Hi Gaggle: I am looking at a CH601XL for purchase. I'm learning from the collective but, I do not feel I have enough information or knowledge to perform my own Pre-Purchase. Are there and Documents / Safety Inspection forms to guide me through? How would you suggest I go through the steps of inspection this plane and VERIFYING that ALL the Service Bulletins are complied with. The owner states the plane is in compliance with MOD B. How do I go about verifying that? This is the BIGGIE - This is the Big Step. Thanks Gaggle. Barry www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://forums.matronics.com http://wwwsp; &nb=====================<= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, http://www.matr================== Hi Jay: Not a member of the EAA but I do go to two chapters in my area. I am located in Central NJ Barry On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 6:35 PM, wrote: > Barry, > > Your post begs a couple of questions: 1) Are you a member of a local EAA > chapter? And 2) Where are you located? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: FLYaDIVE > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:12 pm > Subject: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL > > Hi Gaggle: > > I am looking at a CH601XL for purchase. I'm learning from the collectiv e > but, I do not feel I have enough information or knowledge to perform my o wn > Pre-Purchase. > Are there and Documents / Safety Inspection forms to guide me through? > > How would you suggest I go through the steps of inspection this plane > and VERIFYING that ALL the Service Bulletins are complied with. The owne r > states the plane is in compliance with MOD B. How do I go > about verifying that? > > This is the BIGGIE - This is the Big Step. > > Thanks Gaggle. > > Barry > > * > > > ======================== =========== > > > ric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > > w.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > > thelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > > > ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ======================== =========== > > > ator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > > ======================== =========== > > > ttp://forums.matronics.com > > > ======================== =========== > > * > > * > =========== =========== =========== ============* > > -- *Barry* *=93Chop=92d Liver=94* * * *YOU ARE NOT * *WE ARE* *BECAUSE WE WERE * *YOU ARE* * * *The words to be inserted are VETERANS=92 and FREE* *Thank you Veterans!* ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL From: jaybannist@cs.com Barry, I strongly suggest you get someone familiar with the 601XL to help you wit h an inspection. See if you can contact Phil Maxson. He has built and fli es a great 601XL. He might be able to help or guide you to someone who ca n. You might also ask around your EAA chapters to see if anyone can help. Jay -----Original Message----- From: FLYaDIVE Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:43 pm Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL Hi Jay: Not a member of the EAA but I do go to two chapters in my area. I am located in Central NJ Barry On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 6:35 PM, wrote: Barry, Your post begs a couple of questions: 1) Are you a member of a local EAA chapter? And 2) Where are you located? -----Original Message----- From: FLYaDIVE Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:12 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Pre-Purchase on a CH601XL Hi Gaggle: I am looking at a CH601XL for purchase. I'm learning from the collective but, I do not feel I have enough information or knowledge to perform my own Pre-Purchase. Are there and Documents / Safety Inspection forms to guide me through? How would you suggest I go through the steps of inspection this plane and VERIFYING that ALL the Service Bulletins are complied with. The owner st ates the plane is in compliance with MOD B. How do I go about verifying that? This is the BIGGIE - This is the Big Step. Thanks Gaggle. Barry ric.com">www.aeroelectric.com w.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com thelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List tp://forums.matronics.com -- Barry =9CChop=99d Liver=9D YOU ARE NOT WE ARE BECAUSE WE WERE YOU ARE The words to be inserted are VETERANS=99 and FREE Thank you Veterans! ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:20 PM PST US From: Elden Jacobson Subject: Zenith-List: 601xl builders Just a brief note to say that I am leaving the Matronics list and to expres s my deep thanks for its assistance during these past four years.- - I learned to fly in 1945 and did so regularly until 1956, when both parents died in the crash of their new Cessan 170. The years go by; I married a wo man in 1982 who shared my wish to build and fly; indeed, about that time we traveled to Eloy AZ to fly in the Dragonfly. And then, in the summer of 20 06, I met Michael Heintz and the 601 and the new LSA category; instant love . Our kit was delivered six months later, just about the time the first acc idents occurred. And as with many of you, work generally stopped while the issues involved cascaded throughout the List. Also, as with many of you, th e announcement that a modification kit would be available rekindled a sense of cautious optimism. The up-grade was nearly completed by mid-August; "pe rhaps by next spring...." - But, no.-In mid-August-I was diagnosed as having cancer. Perhaps it is enough to simply say that this 60-year-old dream will not now happen; at ag e eighty, other priorities (including relocation back to the East coast)- have suddenly become-central. In what is one of the truly difficult decis ions we have had to make, I am selling my 601. - My gratitude for the List is quite profound. While not participating often, it has been read almost daily with much interest; individuals such as Larr y McFarland, Paul Mulwitz, Rick Lindstrom and Terry Phillips (there obvious ly are numerous others)-were unusually helpful during the confusion of 20 08-9, and from the List I have-put together a supplemental construction m anual of well over a thousand pages. That-I cannot now act on all of this is a deep disappointment indeed. - Again, thank you all. The sight of a 601 in flight will bring back a fascin ating experience. - Elden Jacobson 601xl/3300=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:19 PM PST US From: "Paul Mulwitz" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601xl builders Eldon, I am personally sorry to see you go. You have been a good family member. Good luck, Paul From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elden Jacobson Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601xl builders Just a brief note to say that I am leaving the Matronics list and to express my deep thanks for its assistance during these past four years. I learned to fly in 1945 and did so regularly until 1956, when both parents died in the crash of their new Cessan 170. The years go by; I married a woman in 1982 who shared my wish to build and fly; indeed, about that time we traveled to Eloy AZ to fly in the Dragonfly. And then, in the summer of 2006, I met Michael Heintz and the 601 and the new LSA category; instant love. Our kit was delivered six months later, just about the time the first accidents occurred. And as with many of you, work generally stopped while the issues involved cascaded throughout the List. Also, as with many of you, the announcement that a modification kit would be available rekindled a sense of cautious optimism. The up-grade was nearly completed by mid-August; "perhaps by next spring...." But, no. In mid-August I was diagnosed as having cancer. Perhaps it is enough to simply say that this 60-year-old dream will not now happen; at age eighty, other priorities (including relocation back to the East coast) have suddenly become central. In what is one of the truly difficult decisions we have had to make, I am selling my 601. My gratitude for the List is quite profound. While not participating often, it has been read almost daily with much interest; individuals such as Larry McFarland, Paul Mulwitz, Rick Lindstrom and Terry Phillips (there obviously are numerous others) were unusually helpful during the confusion of 2008-9, and from the List I have put together a supplemental construction manual of well over a thousand pages. That I cannot now act on all of this is a deep disappointment indeed. Again, thank you all. The sight of a 601 in flight will bring back a fascinating experience. Elden Jacobson 601xl/3300 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:26 PM PST US From: Rick Lindstrom Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601xl builders Elden, I am so sorry to hear of your diagnosis, and that you won't be able to finally fly your 601 after all the trials and tribulations. You've got my respect for staying with it for as long as possible, and I sincerely hope that you can take pride in all that you've done. My best wishes and hopes for you, and yours. Rick Lindstrom N42KP 601XLB / Corvair -----Original Message----- >From: Elden Jacobson >Sent: Nov 17, 2010 8:04 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: 601xl builders > >Just a brief note to say that I am leaving the Matronics list and to express my deep thanks for its assistance during these past four years. > >I learned to fly in 1945 and did so regularly until 1956, when both parents died in the crash of their new Cessan 170. The years go by; I married a woman in 1982 who shared my wish to build and fly; indeed, about that time we traveled to Eloy AZ to fly in the Dragonfly. And then, in the summer of 2006, I met Michael Heintz and the 601 and the new LSA category; instant love. Our kit was delivered six months later, just about the time the first accidents occurred. And as with many of you, work generally stopped while the issues involved cascaded throughout the List. Also, as with many of you, the announcement that a modification kit would be available rekindled a sense of cautious optimism. The up-grade was nearly completed by mid-August; "perhaps by next spring...." > >But, no.In mid-AugustI was diagnosed as having cancer. Perhaps it is enough to simply say that this 60-year-old dream will not now happen; at age eighty, other priorities (including relocation back to the East coast)have suddenly becomecentral. In what is one of the truly difficult decisions we have had to make, I am selling my 601. > >My gratitude for the List is quite profound. While not participating often, it has been read almost daily with much interest; individuals such as Larry McFarland, Paul Mulwitz, Rick Lindstrom and Terry Phillips (there obviously are numerous others)were unusually helpful during the confusion of 2008-9, and from the List I haveput together a supplemental construction manual of well over a thousand pages. ThatI cannot now act on all of this is a deep disappointment indeed. > >Again, thank you all. The sight of a 601 in flight will bring back a fascinating experience. > >Elden Jacobson >601xl/3300 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.