---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/12/10: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:01 AM - Upgrade or lack there of! Aileron (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 2. 08:07 AM - Chat Room (George Race) 3. 08:19 AM - Re: Chat Room (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 4. 09:13 AM - Re: Re: weight amd balance (Don Honabach) 5. 10:21 AM - Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Re: weight amd balance (Larry McFarland) 6. 01:17 PM - Re: weight amd balance (Wingrider) 7. 06:06 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Re: weight amd balance (Larry McFarland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:10 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Upgrade or lack there of! Aileron Under each Photo is a note of what is incorrect. This is as opened and you can see there are no rivets in the rib where it meets the aileron and the rivet spacing in the top and bottom of the skin is incorrect (missing rivets). Also not the nuts might be bottomed out and one more washer is needed. As a result of this I believe it caused flexing in the aileron and caused it to bend at the trailing edge and now this aileron has to be replaced. Here you can see the reinforcement is installed incorrectly... This should be forward and also attached to the hinge and angle to keep the skin from bending. This is absolutely useless and if you look it was once drilled correctly and was in the correct location. Her Same as above This one I feel is the most critical and was installed again too far aft and as a result the new paint is cracked at the joint from flexing. This is the new aileron that will be installed. I offered these to Sabrina when she was needing some but she ended up doing something else so now it will have a new home on this bird. I have been storing these for 4 years now..... anyone need a right aileron?? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:37 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Room Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT http://www.mykitairplane.com Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page. George ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:08 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Chat Room I can't log in and gave up trying In a message dated 12/12/2010 11:08:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mykitairplane@mrrace.com writes: Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT http://_www.mykitairplane.com_ (blocked::http://www.mykitairplane.com/) Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page. George (http://www.aeroelectric.com/) (http://www.buildersbooks.com/) (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:12 AM PST US From: Don Honabach Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: weight amd balance >> I read where someone stated the HDS glides like a well thrown man hole cover and after 20 hours phase 1 time I have to agree. In fairness though, it does have a major benefit - really easy to dump some altitude if you come in high on landing as I was reminded this weekend on a 5 mile straight in final that I misjudged. :). Don Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wingrider Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: weight amd balance I have an HDS with the Zenith 10 gal wing tanks an 8 gal header tank and Corvair engine. No problem staying within the CG envelope. The forward CG is slightly below the minimum when calculated with a 170# pilot but I don't weigh 170. My battery is mounted on the firewall but at some point I will probably move it behind the passenger seat which will improve the W&B. I read where someone stated the HDS glides like a well thrown man hole cover and after 20 hours phase 1 time I have to agree. -------- Rich Whittington Tullahoma, TN Zenith 601HDS Under Construction Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322892#322892 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:58 AM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: RE: [Probable Spam] RE: Zenith-List: Re: weight amd balance One also learns that with that high sink rate, the HDS has a great ground-cushion that permits excellent greased landings. I practice these all the time and have never been disappointed. The 3-blade prop acts like an air brake when passing over the end of the runway and then ground-cushion retards the descent in the last 10 feet. Just don't descend too slowly. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Honabach Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: [Probable Spam] RE: Zenith-List: Re: weight amd balance --> >> I read where someone stated the HDS glides like a well thrown man hole cover and after 20 hours phase 1 time I have to agree. In fairness though, it does have a major benefit - really easy to dump some altitude if you come in high on landing as I was reminded this weekend on a 5 mile straight in final that I misjudged. :). Don Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wingrider Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: weight amd balance I have an HDS with the Zenith 10 gal wing tanks an 8 gal header tank and Corvair engine. No problem staying within the CG envelope. The forward CG is slightly below the minimum when calculated with a 170# pilot but I don't weigh 170. My battery is mounted on the firewall but at some point I will probably move it behind the passenger seat which will improve the W&B. I read where someone stated the HDS glides like a well thrown man hole cover and after 20 hours phase 1 time I have to agree. -------- Rich Whittington Tullahoma, TN Zenith 601HDS Under Construction Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322892#322892 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:30 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: weight amd balance From: "Wingrider" If you really want to bleed off some altitude come down and VNE, I've done 170 mph a couple of times. -------- Rich Whittington Tullahoma, TN Zenith 601HDS Phase 1 Flight Testing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323090#323090 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:04 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: RE: [Probable Spam] Zenith-List: Re: weight amd balance I've more than a few times descended at 140 mph plus to enter a base, slow to a 80 mph final and applied both foot and "air brakes" by idling my prop to get off the runway ahead of an inbound regional jet, not 15-seconds behind my turnoff onto the taxiway. Don't think it's wise to get much faster than that in less than perfect air though! Sweet aircraft! Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wingrider Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 3:14 PM Subject: [Probable Spam] Zenith-List: Re: weight amd balance If you really want to bleed off some altitude come down and VNE, I've done 170 mph a couple of times. -------- Rich Whittington Tullahoma, TN Zenith 601HDS Phase 1 Flight Testing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323090#323090 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.