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Mon 12/27/10


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     1. 07:10 AM - Re: 601HDS Makes AvWeb's Picture of the Week (ROBERT SCEPPA)
     2. 09:05 AM - Re: 601HDS Makes AvWeb's Picture of the Week (WAYNE BEATTIE)
     3. 09:19 AM - Re: 601HDS Makes AvWeb's Picture of the Week (Steve Freeman)
     4. 04:28 PM - Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative (aprazer)
     5. 04:53 PM - Re: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative (Ben52425@aol.com)
     6. 05:28 PM - Re: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative (Me)
     7. 05:51 PM - Re: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative (n801bh@netzero.com)
     8. 06:13 PM - Re: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative (Steve Freeman)
     9. 07:03 PM - Re: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative (FLYaDIVE)
    10. 07:20 PM - Re: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative (Steve Freeman)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:10:42 AM PST US
    From: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
    Subject: 601HDS Makes AvWeb's Picture of the Week
    > Very nice Wayne, I had the pleasure of getting a ride to Oxford CT from > Lawrence airport MA. My chapter 106 sponsored it in 2007. What a thrill! --- On Mon, 12/27/10, WAYNE BEATTIE <waynebeattie@optonline.net> wrote: > From: WAYNE BEATTIE <waynebeattie@optonline.net> > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601HDS Makes AvWeb's Picture of the Week > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 12:37 AM > Very similar to the photo on my > 601HDS (N601WB) taken in 2003 in Danbury Connecticut. (see > attached) > > Our EAA Chapter 130 sponsoured the B17 for several days. > > Got to fly on the re-positionng flight to New hampshire for > free! (Find your own way home) > > > > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Terry Phillips wrote: > > <ttp44@rkymtn.net> > > > > It looks like a 601HDS nestled in beneath a B-17 in > AvWeb's Picture of the Week contest. Congratulations to > Wendell Ridenour. Check it out: > > > > http://www.avweb.com/newspics/potw/large/potw04_1649.jpg > > > > > > > > > > Terry Phillips > > ttp44~at~rkymtn.net > > Corvallis MT > > ZU-601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - > Tail & flaps are done; > > Upgrading wings & ailerons per the AMD Safety > Directive > > http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ >


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    Time: 09:05:19 AM PST US
    From: WAYNE BEATTIE <waynebeattie@optonline.net>
    Subject: 601HDS Makes AvWeb's Picture of the Week
    Oxford is where my HDS (N601WB) is based. It is currently in the basement staying warm and dry. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:08 AM, ROBERT SCEPPA wrote: > >> Very nice Wayne, I had the pleasure of getting a ride to Oxford CT >> from >> Lawrence airport MA. My chapter 106 sponsored it in 2007. What a >> thrill! > > --- On Mon, 12/27/10, WAYNE BEATTIE <waynebeattie@optonline.net> > wrote: > >> From: WAYNE BEATTIE <waynebeattie@optonline.net> >> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601HDS Makes AvWeb's Picture of the Week >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 12:37 AM >> Very similar to the photo on my >> 601HDS (N601WB) taken in 2003 in Danbury Connecticut. (see >> attached) >> >> Our EAA Chapter 130 sponsoured the B17 for several days. >> >> Got to fly on the re-positionng flight to New hampshire for >> free! (Find your own way home) >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Terry Phillips wrote: >> >> <ttp44@rkymtn.net> >>> >>> It looks like a 601HDS nestled in beneath a B-17 in >> AvWeb's Picture of the Week contest. Congratulations to >> Wendell Ridenour. Check it out: >>> >>> http://www.avweb.com/newspics/potw/large/potw04_1649.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Terry Phillips >>> ttp44~at~rkymtn.net >>> Corvallis MT >>> ZU-601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - >> Tail & flaps are done; >>> Upgrading wings & ailerons per the AMD Safety >> Directive >>> http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ >> > >


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    Time: 09:19:49 AM PST US
    From: "Steve Freeman" <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
    Subject: 601HDS Makes AvWeb's Picture of the Week
    How do you store an airplane in the basement? Thank you, Steve Freeman Do Not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WAYNE BEATTIE Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601HDS Makes AvWeb's Picture of the Week Oxford is where my HDS (N601WB) is based. It is currently in the basement staying warm and dry. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:08 AM, ROBERT SCEPPA wrote: > >> Very nice Wayne, I had the pleasure of getting a ride to Oxford CT >> from >> Lawrence airport MA. My chapter 106 sponsored it in 2007. What a >> thrill! > > --- On Mon, 12/27/10, WAYNE BEATTIE <waynebeattie@optonline.net> > wrote: > >> From: WAYNE BEATTIE <waynebeattie@optonline.net> >> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601HDS Makes AvWeb's Picture of the Week >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 12:37 AM >> Very similar to the photo on my >> 601HDS (N601WB) taken in 2003 in Danbury Connecticut. (see >> attached) >> >> Our EAA Chapter 130 sponsoured the B17 for several days. >> >> Got to fly on the re-positionng flight to New hampshire for >> free! (Find your own way home) >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Terry Phillips wrote: >> >> <ttp44@rkymtn.net> >>> >>> It looks like a 601HDS nestled in beneath a B-17 in >> AvWeb's Picture of the Week contest. Congratulations to >> Wendell Ridenour. Check it out: >>> >>> http://www.avweb.com/newspics/potw/large/potw04_1649.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Terry Phillips >>> ttp44~at~rkymtn.net >>> Corvallis MT >>> ZU-601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - >> Tail & flaps are done; >>> Upgrading wings & ailerons per the AMD Safety >> Directive >>> http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ >> > >


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    Time: 04:28:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative
    From: "aprazer" <aprazer@cableone.net>
    Ladies and Gents, I'm "mad as hell"! I hope that you will let me vent my anger on this communique. It'll give you a heads up on what is coming down the pike. I received my bill from Falcon this date for $1325 for my XL, a $372 increase over last year. This is an increase of 39.03%! This policy is a "Not-in Motion" coverage. The fuselage is sitting in my hangar and the wings are in my garage, 30 miles apart from each other, while undergoing the modification. Now, there have been no changes in coverages, no claims, no nothing. Global is & has been the underwriter. Talking with Kathleen Ring, Falcon's representative, she states that due to the high losses with the XLs have experienced (12 or ??) that the rates have gone up. The other two companies that Falcon represents won't insure a XL unless it has had the wing mod, whether it is in motion or not. This just does not make sense -- my bird has not moved under it's own power for a year and won't anytime in the very near future and they still want a higher premium. I asked Ms Ring if she would plead my case with the underwriter -- I received a negative answer. Global still insures V-tail Bonanzas, Ercoupes, Tomahawks, etc. all the other aircraft that have and still break up in flight. You don't hear their owners complain about outrageous premiums. Any suggestions????? Mack, the much poorer ol unemployed farm boy from Idaho -------- The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324723#324723


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    Time: 04:53:35 PM PST US
    From: Ben52425@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative
    I GOT THE SAME ANSWERE I PAY 2,000 DOLLARS FOR FULL COVERAGE BEN In a message dated 12/27/2010 7:29:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, aprazer@cableone.net writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "aprazer" <aprazer@cableone.net> Ladies and Gents, I'm "mad as hell"! I hope that you will let me vent my anger on this communique. It'll give you a heads up on what is coming down the pike. I received my bill from Falcon this date for $1325 for my XL, a $372 increase over last year. This is an increase of 39.03%! This policy is a "Not-in Motion" coverage. The fuselage is sitting in my hangar and the wings are in my garage, 30 miles apart from each other, while undergoing the modification. Now, there have been no changes in coverages, no claims, no nothing. Global is & has been the underwriter. Talking with Kathleen Ring, Falcon's representative, she states that due to the high losses with the XLs have experienced (12 or ??) that the rates have gone up. The other two companies that Falcon represents won't insure a XL unless it has had the wing mod, whether it is in motion or not. This just does not make sense -- my bird has not moved under it's own power for a year and won't anytime in the very near future and they still want a higher premium. I asked Ms Ring if she would plead my case with the underwriter -- I received a negative answer. Global still insures V-tail Bonanzas, Ercoupes, Tomahawks, etc. all the other aircraft that have and still break up in flight. You don't hear their owners complain about outrageous premiums. Any suggestions????? Mack, the much poorer ol unemployed farm boy from Idaho -------- The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324723#324723


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    Time: 05:28:41 PM PST US
    From: Me <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
    Subject: Re: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative
    Why insure if not flying? That is awfully high premium. I am not trying to be flippant but what are you insuring against? Did you carry insurance while buildin Thank you, Steve Freeman This message was sent from my mobile device. Please forgive the brevity and any typing errors. -----Original message----- From: aprazer <aprazer@cableone.net> Sent: Tue, Dec 28, 2010 00:25:54 GMT+00:00 Subject: Zenith-List: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative Ladies and Gents, I'm "mad as hell"! I hope that you will let me vent my anger on this communique. It'll give you a heads up on what is coming down the pike. I received my bill from Falcon this date for $1325 for my XL, a $372 increase over last year. This is an increase of 39.03%! This policy is a "Not-in Motion" coverage. The fuselage is sitting in my hangar and the wings are in my garage, 30 miles apart from each other, while undergoing the modification. Now, there have been no changes in coverages, no claims, no nothing. Global is & has been the underwriter. Talking with Kathleen Ring, Falcon's representative, she states that due to the high losses with the XLs have experienced (12 or ??) that the rates have gone up. The other two companies that Falcon represents won't insure a XL unless it has had the wing mod, whether it is in motion or not. This just does not make sense -- my bird has not moved under it's own power for a year and won't anytime in the very near future and they still want a higher premium. I asked Ms Ring if she would plead my case with the underwriter -- I received a negative answer. Global still insures V-tail Bonanzas, Ercoupes, Tomahawks, etc. all the other aircraft that have and still break up in flight. You don't hear their owners complain about outrageous premiums. Any suggestions????? Mack, the much poorer ol unemployed farm boy from Idaho -------- The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324723#324723


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    Time: 05:51:36 PM PST US
    From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
    Subject: Re: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative
    Insurance is the NEXT big scam coming down the road... You think Bernie Madoff was a crook ? On my experimental I self insure. mainly because NO ONE will write a pol icy on my plane. For reference... I am in good health, have not had any medical claims in a 20+ years. Last month I get a form letter from Wyoming Blue Cross/ Bl ue Shield........ Those S.O.B.S claim because of the "new" Obama health care act they need to raise the premiums a little to "cover" any future costs...................... It went up 50 % in one leap. I Have a $ 10,000 deductable policy and the 'new' premium is a modest 45 0.00 a friggin month. I HATE insurance companies.............................................. ........ Rant off. Ben. w.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "aprazer" <aprazer@cableone.net> Subject: Zenith-List: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative Ladies and Gents, I'm "mad as hell"! I hope that you will let me vent my anger on this communique. It'll give you a heads up on what is coming down the pike. I received my bill from Falcon this date for $1325 for my XL, a $372 inc rease over last year. This is an increase of 39.03%! This policy is a "Not-in Motion" coverage. The fuselage is sitting in my hangar and the wings are in my garage, 30 miles apart from each other, while undergoing the modification. Now, there have been no changes in coverages, no claims, no nothing. Global is & has been the underwriter. Talking with Kathleen Ring, Falcon's representative, she states that due to the high losses with the XLs have experienced (12 or ??) that the ra tes have gone up. The other two companies that Falcon represents won't i nsure a XL unless it has had the wing mod, whether it is in motion or no t. This just does not make sense -- my bird has not moved under it's own po wer for a year and won't anytime in the very near future and they still want a higher premium. I asked Ms Ring if she would plead my case with the underwriter -- I rec eived a negative answer. Global still insures V-tail Bonanzas, Ercoupes, Tomahawks, etc. all the other aircraft that have and still break up in flight. You don't hear th eir owners complain about outrageous premiums. Any suggestions????? Mack, the much poorer ol unemployed farm boy from Idaho -------- The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324723#324723 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Rates at 2.8% $160,000 Mortgage $434/mo. No Hidden Fees- 3.1% APR! Get a Free Quote http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4d194215c14c28f33f2st03vuc


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    Time: 06:13:14 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Freeman" <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
    Subject: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative
    Don't you mean Obama-Snare? Steve From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 6:48 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative Insurance is the NEXT big scam coming down the road... You think Bernie Madoff was a crook ? On my experimental I self insure. mainly because NO ONE will write a policy on my plane. For reference... I am in good health, have not had any medical claims in a 20+ years. Last month I get a form letter from Wyoming Blue Cross/ Blue Shield........ Those S.O.B.S claim because of the "new" Obama health care act they need to raise the premiums a little to "cover" any future costs...................... It went up 50 % in one leap. I Have a $ 10,000 deductable policy and the 'new' premium is a modest 450.00 a friggin month. I HATE insurance companies...................................................... Rant off. Ben. w.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "aprazer" <aprazer@cableone.net> Subject: Zenith-List: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative Ladies and Gents, I'm "mad as hell"! I hope that you will let me vent my anger on this communique. It'll give you a heads up on what is coming down the pike. I received my bill from Falcon this date for $1325 for my XL, a $372 increase over last year. This is an increase of 39.03%! This policy is a "Not-in Motion" coverage. The fuselage is sitting in my hangar and the wings are in my garage, 30 miles apart from each other, while undergoing the modification. Now, there have been no changes in coverages, no claims, no nothing. Global is & has been the underwriter. Talking with Kathleen Ring, Falcon's representative, she states that due to the high losses with the XLs have experienced (12 or ??) that the rates have gone up. The other two companies that Falcon represents won't insure a XL unless it has had the wing mod, whether it is in motion or not. This just does not make sense -- my bird has not moved under it's own power for a year and won't anytime in the very near future and they still want a higher premium. I asked Ms Ring if she would plead my case with the underwriter -- I received a negative answer. Global still insures V-tail Bonanzas, Ercoupes, Tomahawks, etc. all the other aircraft that have and still break up in flight. You don't hear their owners complain about outrageous premiums. Any suggestions????? Mack, the much poorer ol unemployed farm boy from Idaho -------- The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/view=========================================== ====nbsp; (And Get Some AWESOME FRE-= * The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks- &================================================ &n================================================ ____________________________________________________________ <http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3242/4d194215c14c28f33f2st03vuc> Refinance Rates at 2.8% $160,000 Mortgage $434/mo. No Hidden Fees- 3.1% APR! Get a Free Quote <http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3242/4d194215c14c28f33f2st03vuc> Mortgage.LendGo.com


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    Time: 07:03:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative
    From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
    ha! ha! ha!... So why don't you hate obama? I told ya so! On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:48 PM, n801bh@netzero.com <n801bh@netzero.com>wrote: > Insurance is the NEXT big scam coming down the road... You think Bernie > Madoff was a crook ? > > On my experimental I self insure. mainly because NO ONE will write a policy > on my plane. > > For reference... I am in good health, have not had any medical claims in a > 20+ years. Last month I get a form letter from Wyoming Blue Cross/ Blue > Shield........ Those S.O.B.S claim because of the "new" Obama health care > act they need to raise the premiums a little to "cover" any future > costs...................... > > It went up 50 % in one leap. > > I Have a $ 10,000 deductable policy and the 'new' premium is a modest > 450.00 a friggin month. > > I HATE insurance > companies...................................................... > > Rant off. > > Ben. > > > w.haaspowerair.com > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "aprazer" <aprazer@cableone.net> > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:25:54 -0800 > > > Ladies and Gents, > > I'm "mad as hell"! > > I hope that you will let me vent my anger on this communique. > > It'll give you a heads up on what is coming down the pike. > > I received my bill from Falcon this date for $1325 for my XL, a $372 > increase over last year. This is an increase of 39.03%! > > This policy is a "Not-in Motion" coverage. The fuselage is sitting in my > hangar and the wings are in my garage, 30 miles apart from each other, while > undergoing the modification. > > Now, there have been no changes in coverages, no claims, no nothing. > > Global is & has been the underwriter. > > Talking with Kathleen Ring, Falcon's representative, she states that due to > the high losses with the XLs have experienced (12 or ??) that the rates have > gone up. The other two companies that Falcon represents won't insure a XL > unless it has had the wing mod, whether it is in motion or not. > > This just does not make sense -- my bird has not moved under it's own power > for a year and won't anytime in the very near future and they still want a > higher premium. > > I asked Ms Ring if she would plead my case with the underwriter -- I > received a negative answer. > > Global still insures V-tail Bonanzas, Ercoupes, Tomahawks, etc. all the > other aircraft that have and still break up in flight. You don't hear their > owners complain about outrageous premiums. > > Any suggestions????? > > Mack, the much poorer ol unemployed farm boy from Idaho > > -------- > The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho > > > Read this topic online here: > > > http://forums.matronics.com/view================================================nbsp; (And > Get Some AWESOME FRE-= * The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks- > &================================================ > &n================================================ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *Refinance Rates at 2.8%* > $160,000 Mortgage $434/mo. No Hidden Fees- 3.1% APR! Get a Free Quote > <http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3242/4d194215c14c28f33f2st03vuc> > Mortgage.LendGo.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3242/4d194215c14c28f33f2st03vuc> > > * > >


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    Time: 07:20:39 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Freeman" <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
    Subject: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative
    We shouldn't talk politics on this list.but I can't stand the guy's politics. I am sure he is a nice fella and all, but he is a country mile from me on just about all of his positions. He was forced in to the tax thing kicking and screaming. It will be interesting to see how he runs on that platform in 2012. And I don't think the insurance mandate is going to stand up to a supreme court review. What will we be legally obligated to purchase next. (and don't bring up car insurance.that is different and only weakens the argument!) Do not archive. From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative ha! ha! ha!... So why don't you hate obama? I told ya so! On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:48 PM, n801bh@netzero.com <n801bh@netzero.com> wrote: Insurance is the NEXT big scam coming down the road... You think Bernie Madoff was a crook ? On my experimental I self insure. mainly because NO ONE will write a policy on my plane. For reference... I am in good health, have not had any medical claims in a 20+ years. Last month I get a form letter from Wyoming Blue Cross/ Blue Shield........ Those S.O.B.S claim because of the "new" Obama health care act they need to raise the premiums a little to "cover" any future costs...................... It went up 50 % in one leap. I Have a $ 10,000 deductable policy and the 'new' premium is a modest 450.00 a friggin month. I HATE insurance companies...................................................... Rant off. Ben. w.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "aprazer" <aprazer@cableone.net> Subject: Zenith-List: Falcon Insurance Agency -- EAA's representative Ladies and Gents, I'm "mad as hell"! I hope that you will let me vent my anger on this communique. It'll give you a heads up on what is coming down the pike. I received my bill from Falcon this date for $1325 for my XL, a $372 increase over last year. This is an increase of 39.03%! This policy is a "Not-in Motion" coverage. The fuselage is sitting in my hangar and the wings are in my garage, 30 miles apart from each other, while undergoing the modification. Now, there have been no changes in coverages, no claims, no nothing. Global is & has been the underwriter. Talking with Kathleen Ring, Falcon's representative, she states that due to the high losses with the XLs have experienced (12 or ??) that the rates have gone up. The other two companies that Falcon represents won't insure a XL unless it has had the wing mod, whether it is in motion or not. This just does not make sense -- my bird has not moved under it's own power for a year and won't anytime in the very near future and they still want a higher premium. I asked Ms Ring if she would plead my case with the underwriter -- I received a negative answer. Global still insures V-tail Bonanzas, Ercoupes, Tomahawks, etc. all the other aircraft that have and still break up in flight. You don't hear their owners complain about outrageous premiums. Any suggestions????? Mack, the much poorer ol unemployed farm boy from Idaho -------- The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/view=======================nbsp; (And Get Some AWESOME FRE-= * The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks- &======================== &n======================= ____________________________________________________________ <http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3242/4d194215c14c28f33f2st03vuc> Refinance Rates at 2.8% $160,000 Mortgage $434/mo. No Hidden Fees- 3.1% APR! Get a Free Quote <http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3242/4d194215c14c28f33f2st03vuc> Mortgage.LendGo.com _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List tp://forums.matronics.com




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