---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/22/11: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:15 AM - Trouble Reading Zenair Newsletter DVD's (Stanley Challgren) 2. 09:51 AM - Re: Trouble Reading Zenair Newsletter DVD's (Carlos Sa) 3. 10:38 AM - Re: Trouble Reading Zenair Newsletter DVD's (Ron Steele) 4. 01:09 PM - Re: Trouble Reading Zenair Newsletter DVD's (n801bh@netzero.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:32 AM PST US From: Stanley Challgren Subject: Zenith-List: Trouble Reading Zenair Newsletter DVD's List: I have been having problems reading the subject newsletters for the last year or so on my IMacs. I have copied the emails between Jon and myself below. The bottom email is my original and the one immediately below is Jon's response: "Hi Stan, Well - you know we've talked about this before.... the only people I hear problems with the DVDs are Mac users! (Don't shoot the messenger, please!) They don't seem to be quite as compatible with things (DVDs) that are not created by a Mac... Other Mac users are just as upset and frustrated as you when this problem arises... and we need to acknowledge that this is a Mac issue, period! I highly recommend getting a $39 Walmart DVD player that hooks up to any TV set... comes with a nice remote control for fast forwarding, slow-mo, etc... Plays all DVDs just fine... you can even buy a small brand new TV nowadays for a lot less than another computer.... And I do test every disk that I create before shipping... so the only complaints I get anymore is when they are delivered broken in the mail.. These are supposed to be fun and easy to play and watch... I am sorry for the frustrations of making these work consistently... I believe the variations you see are due to the change in the DVD disk manufacturers we purchase from issue to issue... but like gasoline that you put in your car... they should work regardless of what brand or blend your purchase. If one insists on using a PC to view the DVDs, simply get a modern Windows PC -- I have had no complaints for years. (there are always exceptions, of course - so many variations of player software, etc) Good luck, Jon -----Original Message----- From: Stanley A Challgren [mailto:challgren@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:23 PM Cc: Stanley A Challgren Subject: DVD Problem Jon: I had a problem about a year ago reading the DVD's that came with the Newsletters. I solved the problem by downloading another way of reading the disc-VLC. That worked until the Jan/Feb 2011 disc. I have a new 27" IMac and it would not play the DVD the normal way. I took the DVD down to the garage and it would play on my 8+ year old IMac. The problem is that it is about 40 degrees down there so it is not very comfortable viewing the DVD. This morning I discovered I could play VTS_01_3 by dragging it down to the VLC program. That clip was Roger's demo of taking the 750 doors off and flying. I also was able to play the Nord Lock OK. Those were the only two items that would play. Since I can play the DVD on my very old computer I will do so when it warms up so I don't need another DVD but would like a fix so I can view future DVD's without going down to the garage. Sincerely, Stan Challgren" ----------------------- Yesterday I spent over two hours on the phone with the Apple Help Desk in an effort to solve the problem. I downloaded VLC Media Player 1.1.7 yesterday and it seemed to solve the problem but today it does not work. My new IMac does not even recognize the DVD and I have to shut down the computer and restart it to get the DVD out. BTW, Apple categorically denies that it is their problem. Jon indicates others are having the same problem and I am wondering if anyone else has found a work-around. Any solutions would be sincerely appreciated as reintroducing anything Microsoft in the house is not a solution I could live with. Stan ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:04 AM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Trouble Reading Zenair Newsletter DVD's Stan, I believe the problem is at the software level. I too have a Mac running Snow Leopard, and it works. Note that I don't watch each and every DVD I receive, so potentially there could be one or another that the Mac would reject. The most trustworthy app that reads almost anything is VLC, a free download ( http://gofree.com/download/Video/Media-Players/vlcmediaplayer.php?gclid=CIvB-pCmnKcCFRVx5QodmWkCew). Again, not a Mac problem, but a player problem - IMHO. Otherwise, I have received DVDs (at least two) that are scratched as if they had been shipped with a very fine grit sandpaper. I believe some abrasive dust found its way into the DVD envelope. I mentioned this to Jon and he promptly replaced the DVD. Good luck Carlos CH601-HD do not archive On 22 February 2011 12:10, Stanley Challgren wrote: > List: > > I have been having problems reading the subject newsletters for the last > year or so on my IMacs. I have copied the emails between Jon and myself > below. The bottom email is my original and the one immediately below is > Jon's response: > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:31 AM PST US From: Ron Steele Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Trouble Reading Zenair Newsletter DVD's My Mac is a 7 year PowerBook. It's never failed to play a DVD in those seven years until the latest newsletter DVDs. I assumed it's some non-standard thing in the authoring tool used. I didn't spend much time worrying about it. When I mounted the disk in Linux there were some obviously Windows specific files there, which seems suspicious to me. Linux played the DVDs fine, using VLC. Since the problem seems to span several generations of hardware, I'd guess is purely a software problem. My guess is the Apple DVD Player is a bit more particular about following specs than most. On 02/22/2011 12:10 PM, Stanley Challgren wrote: > List: > > I have been having problems reading the subject newsletters for the > last year or so on my IMacs. I have copied the emails between Jon and > myself below. The bottom email is my original and the one immediately > below is Jon's response: > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:13 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Trouble Reading Zenair Newsletter DVD's That was the tipping point for me is renewing my subscription... The DVD that was sent would not play on any of my computers. I had to watch it on an old DVD player that was set up in my guest room. I considered it t oo much trouble to have to go down there just to watch it... By the way, it is the ONLY DVD that would not play on any of my computers. It is no t like they are trying to protect sensitive national secrets. do not archive Ben Haas ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Ron Steele Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Trouble Reading Zenair Newsletter DVD's My Mac is a 7 year PowerBook. It's never failed to play a DVD in those seven years until the latest newsletter DVDs. I assumed it's some non-standard thing in the authoring tool used. I didn't spend much time worrying about it. When I mounted the disk in Linux there were some obviously Windows specific files there, which seems suspicious to me. Linux played the DVDs fine, using VLC. Since the problem seems to span several generations of hardware, I'd guess is purely a software problem. My guess is the Apple DVD Player is a bit more particular about following specs than most. On 02/22/2011 12:10 PM, Stanley Challgren wrote: > List: > > I have been having problems reading the subject newsletters for the > last year or so on my IMacs. I have copied the emails between Jon and > myself below. The bottom email is my original and the one immediately > below is Jon's response: > ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ____________________________________________________________ $39 Auto Insurance? Special Online Rates As Low As $39 a month From Top Firms. 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