---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/21/11: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:07 PM - CH601XLB Mod Question? (Jeffrey J Paris) 2. 03:55 PM - Re: CH601XLB Mod Question? (Paul Mulwitz) 3. 05:25 PM - Re: CH601XLB Mod Question? (george may) 4. 09:53 PM - Re: CH601XLB Mod Question? (japhillipsga@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:06 PM PST US From: "Jeffrey J Paris" Subject: Zenith-List: CH601XLB Mod Question? Hello fellow Zenith Listers, =C2- Quick question am I missing something in the "B" modification instructions, because I can't seem to recall any mention of what the proper aileron deflec tion measurements need to be? =C2-Are there new ones or do I stick with th e old? =C2- =C2- Also, regarding of aileron control inputs what should I expect =C2-in term s of control feel as of right now the modified set-up seems to be quite a bi t stiffer and in need of stronger control inputs: =C2-My control harmony b efore the mods seemed just right or I guess I was used to it. =C2-Anyways a penny for anyones's knowledgeable and erudite thoughts. =C2- Jeff Paris =C2-N196ZP Jab3300 300 hour TT ( Fun flying time) before the mo d process began. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:16 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601XLB Mod Question? Hi Jeff, My take on the aileron question is that they should not have changed at all. The rear rib (7?) that mounts the aileron bellcrank has been reinforced considerably and the hole in the rear channel has also gained a doubler. Neither of these structure changes should have an impact on the control stiffness or feedback. I don't think the aileron deflections changed either. The ailerons were mass balanced. I suppose this could make them a little bit easier to move, but I doubt a pilot could detect this from the cockpit. The ailerons are so huge for this design there is little movement of the stick in the roll direction and easing the task of moving the ailerons with balance bars shouldn't have any impact on the aerodynamic forces that ruled this issue before. Paul Just finishing up the upgrade. today I installed the last rivets while reinstalling the center section (spar carry through) in the fuselage. On 4/21/2011 2:04 PM, Jeffrey J Paris wrote: > Hello fellow Zenith Listers, > Quick question am I missing something in the "B" modification > instructions, because I can't seem to recall any mention of what the > proper aileron deflection measurements need to be? Are there new ones > or do I stick with the old? > Also, regarding of aileron control inputs what should I expect in > terms of control feel as of right now the modified set-up seems to be > quite a bit stiffer and in need of stronger control inputs: My > control harmony before the mods seemed just right or I guess I was > used to it. Anyways a penny for anyones's knowledgeable and erudite > thoughts. > Jeff Paris N196ZP Jab3300 300 hour TT ( Fun flying time) before the > mod process began. > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:15 PM PST US From: george may Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH601XLB Mod Question? Hi Jeff-- I've got about 75 hours on the upgrade. The aileron throw is set to the same as the original. The balanced aileron control inputs do appear to feel a bit stiffer=2C however=2C you will adjust to it very easily. The entire feel of the plane is stiffer and more solid. George May 380 hours 912 From: jeffrey-j-paris@excite.com Subject: Zenith-List: CH601XLB Mod Question? Hello fellow Zenith Listers=2C Quick question am I missing something in the "B" modification instructions =2C because I can't seem to recall any mention of what the proper aileron d eflection measurements need to be? Are there new ones or do I stick with t he old? Also=2C regarding of aileron control inputs what should I expect in terms of control feel as of right now the modified set-up seems to be quite a bit stiffer and in need of stronger control inputs: My control harmony before the mods seemed just right or I guess I was used to it. Anyways a penny f or anyones's knowledgeable and erudite thoughts. Jeff Paris N196ZP Jab3300 300 hour TT ( Fun flying time) before the mod pr ocess began. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601XLB Mod Question? From: japhillipsga@aol.com Jeff, my B model ailerons control and movement are a bit "thicker" and I wa s surprised because after mass balancing you would think that they should m ove easier, but they don't. Course my input is substantial because I have p ushrods as opposed to cable. It is the best way to move the ailerons. Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey J Paris Sent: Thu, Apr 21, 2011 5:07 pm Subject: Zenith-List: CH601XLB Mod Question? Hello fellow Zenith Listers, Quick question am I missing something in the "B" modification instructions, because I can't seem to recall any mention of what the proper aileron defl ection measurements need to be? Are there new ones or do I stick with the old? Also, regarding of aileron control inputs what should I expect in terms of control feel as of right now the modified set-up seems to be quite a bit s tiffer and in need of stronger control inputs: My control harmony before t he mods seemed just right or I guess I was used to it. Anyways a penny for anyones's knowledgeable and erudite thoughts. Jeff Paris N196ZP Jab3300 300 hour TT ( Fun flying time) before the mod pr ocess began. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.