---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/02/11: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:15 PM - Re: 701 down. (Gary Gower) 2. 07:54 PM - Re: 701 down. (Paul Mulwitz) 3. 10:51 PM - Re: Re: Cont. 0200 and engine mout for sale (Steve Freeman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:07 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 down. Hello David, First my best wishes for his fast and full recovery=C2-... Transition flying from another 701 pilot =C2-is Much much better that a h elmet... The 701 is a very safe aircraft. =C2-But needs to get used to =C2-the w ay it flys and the lack of inertia. Engine out: Push the joke full forward first, then pull a little as needed to keep 50- 60 mph ) =C2-indicated=C2-(yes, looks scary, but will not d o an inverted loop :-)=C2-until almost touch down, then gently level and flare (if possible), =C2- keep calm during the hole process and probaly w ill bend the plane a little, but will come out unharmed...=C2- Also, practice emergencies and engine off aproaches, when no specific place to go, instead of just burning gasoline around the airport, =C2-great ex perience gained when the "real thing" happens, "if" ever happens... a well mantained engine and aircraft is the best insurance than a helmet... Gary Gower701 912S =C2-300 + hrs and counting.I Always use my helmet in m y Yamaha V Star =C2-:-) --- On Sat, 4/30/11, David J. Dormer wrote: From: David J. Dormer Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 down =0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A =0AIt is my sincerest wish and hope that Mr. Jurmu =0A will recovery fully from his accident. May God Grace and Strengthen any fam ily =0Amembers and friends.=0A=C2-=0AEvery time I read a tragic=C2-acco unt like this =0Aone, I wonder why flight helmets aren't more frequently us ed when flying in =0Aexperimental or general aviation aircraft. It is likel y, given the general =0Amentality on the subject",=C2-that=C2-Mr. Jurmu wasn't wearing one =0Aeither.=C2-Racecar drivers wear them, motorcyclist s, bike riders, even =0Askateboarders wear helmets.=C2-Very often, when y ou hire someone to test =0Aflight your experimental, he/she will arrive wit h a helmet and sometimes a =0Aparachute. Yet, flight helmets aren't general ly considered "needed", =0A"acceptable" or "required" in personal/GA aircra ft. Are any of you old enough to =0Aremember when seatbelts weren't require d in automobiles? I think that an account =0Alike this brings the practical need into a more real view.=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0ADavid J. Dormer Chaplain(MAJ) USA,=C2- =0ARetired=0A=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: =0A michael =0A lord =0A To: Zenith-List@matronics.com =0A Sent : Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:31 =0A AM=0A Subject: Zenith-List: 701 down =0A =0A =C2-Hi Guys=0A 701 down 15 miles from Green Bay Wi. =0A=0A From wh at I=C2-heard it was engine failure on =0A take off.=0A Regards=0A Mik e Lord=0A =C2-=0A A Suamico man injured after his plane crashed at Cart er Airport near =0A Pulaski Friday, is flown to St. Vincent Hospital in Gr een Bay. =0A =0A=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A PITTSFIELD -- A 67-year-old Suami co man, flying an experimental aircraft =0A for the first time, crashed Fr iday afternoon on takeoff from Carter Airport in =0A Pittsfield and suffer ed what authorities describe as serious head =0Ainjuries.=0A The man, iden tified by the Brown County sheriff's department as Michael =0A Jurmu of Sp ur Lane, was treated by paramedics and flown by EAGLE III to St. =0A Vince nt Hospital, according to the Brown County Sheriff=99s Department. Ju rmu=99s =0A condition is unknown Friday evening. The aircraft, a fixed-wing, =0A single-engine plane, is registered to Jurm u, according to the Federal Aviation =0A Administration. The aircraft is c lassified as experimental and was built in =0A August 2010, according to t he FAA. According to Jurmu=99s friends at the =0A airport, he is an experien ced pilot but was flying the blue-and-white craft =0A for the first time w hen it lost power on takeoff and crashed in a field east =0A of the airpor t about 30 yards from the Mountain-Bay Trail. Law =0A enforcement and rescue personnel received the call about the crash just after =0A 2 p.m. Brown County Sheriff=99s Department Sgt. Bill Morgan said Jurmu =0A sustained a head injury and was unresponsive when taken to the N.E.W. =0A Para-Medic Rescue vehicle. He was then taken to the nearby helicopter and =0A flown to the hospital. A friend at Carter airport who didn=99t identify =0A himself said Ju rmu was retired. The airport is adjacent to Wisconsin 32 =0A just two miles south of Pulask i. According to a veteran Tri-County =0A Rescue Department official, it was t he first plane accident at Carter Field in =0A more than 20 years.=0A=0Ahr ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c=0A=0A=0A=0A ===================0A=0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:21 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 down. Hi Gary, I agree with you. Whenever possible I do "Spot Landings" rather than the "Cross Country" landings most light plane pilots tend to do. I pull power when opposite the numbers on downwind and set up best rate glide. Then turn base and usually apply full flaps after judging altitude is high enough. Then the landing is done without adding any power. It doesn't always work, but I consider it a failure if I must add power to get to the runway. When too high, a little forward slip will bring the plane down quickly. I think this is the kind of practice for engine out you mentioned. I suppose a helmet and a parachute would reduce injuries a little bit. However, with a plane that lands under 40 knots you shouldn't need either one - so long as the airframe holds together. Good luck, Paul XL - upgrade complete - nearing inspection. On 5/2/2011 7:09 PM, Gary Gower wrote: > Hello David, > > First my best wishes for his fast and full recovery ... > > Transition flying from another 701 pilot is Much much better that a > helmet... > > The 701 is a very safe aircraft. But needs to get used to the way it > flys and the lack of inertia. > > Engine out: Push the joke full forward first, then pull a little as > needed to keep 50- 60 mph ) indicated (yes, looks scary, but will not > do an inverted loop :-) until almost touch down, then gently level and > flare (if possible), keep calm during the hole process and probaly > will bend the plane a little, but will come out unharmed... > > Also, practice emergencies and engine off aproaches, when no specific > place to go, instead of just burning gasoline around the airport, > great experience gained when the "real thing" happens, "if" ever > happens... a well mantained engine and aircraft is the best insurance > than a helmet... > > Gary Gower > 701 912S 300 + hrs and counting. > I Always use my helmet in my Yamaha V Star :-) > > > --- On *Sat, 4/30/11, David J. Dormer //* wrote: > > > From: David J. Dormer > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 down > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 11:37 PM > > It is my sincerest wish and hope that Mr. Jurmu will recovery > fully from his accident. May God Grace and Strengthen any family > members and friends. > Every time I read a tragic account like this one, I wonder why > flight helmets aren't more frequently used when flying in > experimental or general aviation aircraft. It is likely, given the > general mentality on the subject", that Mr. Jurmu wasn't wearing > one either. Racecar drivers wear them, motorcyclists, bike riders, > even skateboarders wear helmets. Very often, when you hire someone > to test flight your experimental, he/she will arrive with a helmet > and sometimes a parachute. Yet, flight helmets aren't generally > considered "needed", "acceptable" or "required" in personal/GA > aircraft. Are any of you old enough to remember when seatbelts > weren't required in automobiles? I think that an account like this > brings the practical need into a more real view. > David J. Dormer > Chaplain(MAJ) USA, Retired > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* michael lord > *To:* Zenith-List@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:31 AM > *Subject:* Zenith-List: 701 down > > Hi Guys > 701 down 15 miles from Green Bay Wi. > From what I heard it was engine failure on take off. > Regards > Mike Lord > > > A Suamico man injured after his plane crashed at > Carter Airport near Pulaski Friday, is flown to > St. Vincent Hospital in Green Bay. > > PITTSFIELD -- A 67-year-old Suamico man, flying an > experimental aircraft for the first time, crashed Friday > afternoon on takeoff from Carter Airport in Pittsfield and > suffered what authorities describe as serious head injuries. > > The man, identified by the Brown County sheriff's department > as Michael Jurmu of Spur Lane, was treated by paramedics and > flown by EAGLE III to St. Vincent Hospital, according to the > Brown County Sheriffs Department. Jurmus condition is > unknown Friday evening. > > The aircraft, a fixed-wing, single-engine plane, is registered > to Jurmu, according to the Federal Aviation Administration. > The aircraft is classified as experimental and was built in > August 2010, according to the FAA. > > According to Jurmus friends at the airport, he is an > experienced pilot but was flying the blue-and-white craft for > the first time when it lost power on takeoff and crashed in a > field east of the airport about 30 yards from the Mountain-Bay > Trail. > > Law enforcement and rescue personnel received the call about > the crash just after 2 p.m. > > Brown County Sheriffs Department Sgt. Bill Morgan said Jurmu > sustained a head injury and was unresponsive when taken to the > N.E.W. Para-Medic Rescue vehicle. He was then taken to the > nearby helicopter and flown to the hospital. > > A friend at Carter airport who didnt identify himself said > Jurmu was retired. > > The airport is adjacent to Wisconsin 32 just two miles south > of Pulaski. > > According to a veteran Tri-County Rescue Department official, > it was the first plane accident at Carter Field in more than > 20 years. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/contri== > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:43 PM PST US From: "Steve Freeman" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Cont. 0200 and engine mout for sale Sold in one day - I tried to get an offer in :( SF -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy L. Thwing Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cont. 0200 and engine mout for sale --> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cont. 0200 and engine mout for sale > > I am also looking for an 0-200A for a certified A/C Hello: I read the above message this morning and the ad below was on the bulletin board at the airport (VGT) today: FOR SALE I have a Continental O-200 aircraft engine model no. O-200 A 48 B This engine has approx 4 hrs. run time since major overhaul. Engine has new slick mags, rebuilt carburetor, custom exhaust system. I am asking $ 7000.00 for everything. The whole package. This engine was originally installed in a Cessna 150. For more information call: Murray Jones @ 702-641-3497 Engine located in Las Vegas, NV. I am not selling, or recommending, I am just reporting the posted ad. You now know as much as I know. 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