---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/06/11: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:50 AM - 701 project for sale (Gsrth@aol.com) 2. 10:32 AM - Question about handling CH601XLB post mods/flight evauation (Jeffrey J Paris) 3. 12:39 PM - Re: Question about handling CH601XLB post mods/flight evauation (Steve Freeman) 4. 12:56 PM - Re: Question about handling CH601XLB post mods/flight evauation (ben52425@aol.com) 5. 02:27 PM - Advisory Circular (roger lambert) 6. 02:43 PM - Re: Advisory Circular (Don Honabach) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:33 AM PST US From: Gsrth@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 701 project for sale 701 scratch built project. Less than 10% completed. Plans, factory parts, materials, manuals, tools. Over $2,000 invested, will sell for $1,000. For complete listing and description contact Garth Dawson _gsrth@aol.com_ (mailto:gsrth@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:33 AM PST US From: "Jeffrey J Paris" Subject: Zenith-List: Question about handling CH601XLB post mods/flight evauation Dear Technical Support, =C2- This morning I test flew N196ZP Ch601XL B model serial number 6-4839 at my l ocal airport (SDC) with that in mind, I was a bit concerned over the "stiffn ess" of my ailerons. =C2-Before the mod I would describe my Zodiacs handli ng as superb, but today control forces in the roll aspect of flight were qui te stiff and required some force to move. =C2- Is this normal? =C2-I would assume some change in the handling qualities d ue to the mods/aileron counterweights, but I definitely was not that comfort able with the aileron response. =C2- Should the cable tension be backed off a bit? =C2-Are you fielding similar response from other "modifiers'? =C2- Other than that, I have attached some pictures of our latest iteration of ou r much loved Zodiac. =C2-We stripped all the paint off of her this winter while we completeed the mods and I am now trying to debug the aircraft after sitting for 1.5 years. =C2-Also, sorry about Sun N' Fun I was very sadden ed by the misfortune caused by the weather, I can't even imagine what it mus t feel like. =C2- Well thanks for your time and consideration. =C2- Sincerely, =C2- Jeff Paris and Peter Paris in Rochester, NY ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:55 PM PST US From: "Steve Freeman" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Question about handling CH601XLB post mods/flight evauation SSB3aWxsIG5lIHZlcnkgc3VycHJpc2VkIG9mIFpBQyBwcm92aWRlcyBhIG1lYW5pbmdmdWwgcmVz cG9uc2UgdG8geW91ciBxdWVzdGlvbi4KCkRvIG5vdCBhdGNoaXZlCgpUaGFuayB5b3UsCgpTdGV2 ZSBGcmVlbWFuCgpUaGlzIG1lc3NhZ2Ugd2FzIHNlbnQgZnJvbSBteSBtb2JpbGUgZGV2aWNlLiBQ bGVhc2UgZm9yZ2l2ZSB0aGUgYnJldml0eSBhbmQgYW55IHR5cGluZyBlcnJvcnMuCgotLS0tLU9y aWdpbmFsIG1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQpGcm9tOiBKZWZmcmV5IEogUGFyaXMgPGplZmZyZXktai1wYXJp c0BleGNpdGUuY29tPgpUbzogemVuaXRoLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQpTZW50OiBGcmksIE1h eSA2LCAyMDExIDE3OjI3OjEwIEdNVCswMDowMApTdWJqZWN0OiBaZW5pdGgtTGlzdDogUXVlc3Rp b24gYWJvdXQgaGFuZGxpbmcgQ0g2MDFYTEIgcG9zdCBtb2RzL2ZsaWdodCBldmF1YXRpb24KCkRl YXIgVGVjaG5pY2FsIFN1cHBvcnQsCsKgClRoaXMgbW9ybmluZyBJIHRlc3QgZmxldyBOMTk2WlAg Q2g2MDFYTCBCIG1vZGVsIHNlcmlhbCBudW1iZXIgNi00ODM5IGF0IG15IGxvY2FsIGFpcnBvcnQg KFNEQykgd2l0aCB0aGF0IGluIG1pbmQsIEkgd2FzIGEgYml0IGNvbmNlcm5lZCBvdmVyIHRoZSAi c3RpZmZuZXNzIiBvZiBteSBhaWxlcm9ucy4gwqBCZWZvcmUgdGhlIG1vZCBJIHdvdWxkIGRlc2Ny aWJlIG15IFpvZGlhY3MgaGFuZGxpbmcgYXMgc3VwZXJiLCBidXQgdG9kYXkgY29udHJvbCBmb3Jj ZXMgaW4gdGhlIHJvbGwgYXNwZWN0IG9mIGZsaWdodCB3ZXJlIHF1aXRlIHN0aWZmIGFuZCByZXF1 aXJlZCBzb21lIGZvcmNlIHRvIG1vdmUuCsKgCklzIHRoaXMgbm9ybWFsPyDCoEkgd291bGQgYXNz dW1lIHNvbWUgY2hhbmdlIGluIHRoZSBoYW5kbGluZyBxdWFsaXRpZXMgZHVlIHRvIHRoZSBtb2Rz L2FpbGVyb24gY291bnRlcndlaWdodHMsIGJ1dCBJIGRlZmluaXRlbHkgd2FzIG5vdCB0aGF0IGNv bWZvcnRhYmxlIHdpdGggdGhlIGFpbGVyb24gcmVzcG9uc2UuCsKgClNob3VsZCB0aGUgY2FibGUg dGVuc2lvbiBiZSBiYWNrZWQgb2ZmIGEgYml0PyDCoEFyZSB5b3UgZmllbGRpbmcgc2ltaWxhciBy ZXNwb25zZSBmcm9tIG90aGVyICJtb2RpZmllcnMnPwrCoApPdGhlciB0aGFuIHRoYXQsIEkgaGF2 ZSBhdHRhY2hlZCBzb21lIHBpY3R1cmVzIG9mIG91ciBsYXRlc3QgaXRlcmF0aW9uIG9mIG91ciBt dWNoIGxvdmVkIFpvZGlhYy4gwqBXZSBzdHJpcHBlZCBhbGwgdGhlIHBhaW50IG9mZiBvZiBoZXIg dGhpcyB3aW50ZXIgd2hpbGUgd2UgY29tcGxldGVlZCB0aGUgbW9kcyBhbmQgSSBhbSBub3cgdHJ5 aW5nIHRvIGRlYnVnIHRoZSBhaXJjcmFmdCBhZnRlciBzaXR0aW5nIGZvciAxLjUgeWVhcnMuIMKg QWxzbywgc29ycnkgYWJvdXQgU3VuIE4nIEZ1biBJIHdhcyB2ZXJ5IHNhZGRlbmVkIGJ5IHRoZSBt aXNmb3J0dW5lIGNhdXNlZCBieSB0aGUgd2VhdGhlciwgSSBjYW4ndCBldmVuIGltYWdpbmUgd2hh dCBpdCBtdXN0IGZlZWwgbGlrZS4KwqAKV2VsbCB0aGFua3MgZm9yIHlvdXIgdGltZSBhbmQgY29u c2lkZXJhdGlvbi4KwqAKU2luY2VyZWx5LArCoApKZWZmIFBhcmlzIGFuZCBQZXRlciBQYXJpcyBp biBSb2NoZXN0ZXIsIE5ZCg= ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Question about handling CH601XLB post mods/flight evauation From: ben52425@aol.com JEFF I FOUND THE SAME RESPONSE WITH MY 601XLB DON,T KNOW THE ANSWER BEN 524B -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey J Paris Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 9:34 am Subject: Zenith-List: Question about handling CH601XLB post mods/flight eva uation Dear Technical Support, This morning I test flew N196ZP Ch601XL B model serial number 6-4839 at my local airport (SDC) with that in mind, I was a bit concerned over the "stif fness" of my ailerons. Before the mod I would describe my Zodiacs handling as superb, but today control forces in the roll aspect of flight were quit e stiff and required some force to move. Is this normal? I would assume some change in the handling qualities due t o the mods/aileron counterweights, but I definitely was not that comfortabl e with the aileron response. Should the cable tension be backed off a bit? Are you fielding similar res ponse from other "modifiers'? Other than that, I have attached some pictures of our latest iteration of o ur much loved Zodiac. We stripped all the paint off of her this winter whi le we completeed the mods and I am now trying to debug the aircraft after s itting for 1.5 years. Also, sorry about Sun N' Fun I was very saddened by the misfortune caused by the weather, I can't even imagine what it must fee l like. Well thanks for your time and consideration. Sincerely, Jeff Paris and Peter Paris in Rochester, NY ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:01 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Advisory Circular From: roger lambert Some of you may be interested in Advisory Circular #90-109, dated 3/30/11 regarding transitioning to new or different aircraft. It specifically references the Zodiac, among others, as belonging to a group of aircraft that: * (2) *There are many more experimental airplanes that may look more like type certificated (TC) airplanes, but they actually have light control forces and/or very quick maneuvering response. Lightweight and lightly wing-loaded airplanes can also have the same quick, light response as many aerobatic airplanes. The hazard of light forces and rapid response is that without some level of training, the pilot may over-control the airplane. This can manifest itself during any phase of flight. The risks can vary from frustration to damage during takeoff and landing, to loss of control up to and including overstressing the airframe and structural failure. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:53 PM PST US From: Don Honabach Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Advisory Circular Great post - On my first flight (which I foolishly did without any prior 601 training), I was caught off guard by how little you had to move the control stick. I q uickly caught my over controlling ways, but the first 5 seconds were defini tely uncomfortable. Now I love how I can fly the plane with minor movements . When I did my BFR though in a 172, it was weird having to move the yoke s o much... Don From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of roger lambert Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Advisory Circular Some of you may be interested in Advisory Circular #90-109, dated 3/30/11 r egarding transitioning to new or different aircraft. It specifically refer ences the Zodiac, among others, as belonging to a group of aircraft that: (2) There are many more experimental airplanes that may look more like type cer tificated (TC) airplanes, but they actually have light control forces and/o r very quick maneuvering response. Lightweight and lightly wing-loaded airp lanes can also have the same quick, light response as many aerobatic airpla nes. The hazard of light forces and rapid response is that without some lev el of training, the pilot may over-control the airplane. This can manifest itself during any phase of flight. The risks can vary from frustration to d amage during takeoff and landing, to loss of control up to and including ov erstressing the airframe and structural failure. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.