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1. 08:20 AM - Subaru engines for sale (Michel Therrien)
2. 09:36 AM - Re: Subaru engines for sale (Steve Freeman)
3. 11:34 AM - Re: Subaru engines for sale (Jeff Davidson)
4. 12:00 PM - Re: Subaru engines for sale (Steve Freeman)
5. 03:03 PM - Re: Subaru engines for sale (Michel Therrien)
6. 03:14 PM - Re: Subaru engines for sale (Michel Therrien)
7. 03:21 PM - Re: Subaru engines for sale (Jeff Davidson)
8. 03:25 PM - Re: Subaru engines for sale (Jeff Davidson)
9. 05:24 PM - Re: Subaru engines for sale (Steve Freeman)
10. 07:40 PM - Re: Subaru engines for sale (Jeff Davidson)
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| Subject: | Subaru engines for sale |
Hello group!
As you know, I am working on a Franklin engine installation for my CH601. I am
ready to remove my SubaruEA-81 which is now forsale. This will be a nearly
complete installation (I keep the alternator and a few senders). I will also
include a second engine and many parts and manuals.
Here is a link to myad...:
http://montreal.kijiji.ca/c-autos-et-vehicules-autres-Moteur-Subaru-EA-81-Engine-installation-avion-quasi-complete-W0QQAdIdZ284687563
I will be happy to provide allinformation to anyone interested; including past
issues and present engine condition. Assembly details are on
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/
Details are below:
Installation moteur pour un Zenair CH601 quasi complte / Nearly complete engine
installation for a Zenair Zodiac CH601
2 moteurs Subaru EA-81 GL 1983 (un spare) / two engines
rduction courroie Dave Johnson / reduction drive
capot moteur / custom cowling
distributeur Nippodenso avec dual pickups et modules GM
distributeur de rechange Hitachi avec dual pickups
livres et manuels de service / service manuals
plusieurs pices de rechanges / many spare parts
gaskets extra / extra gaskets
radiateur a eau Volkswagen / radiator
refroidisseur d'huile B&M / oil cooler
intake modifi / intake manifold
carburateur Holley 5200 / carburetor
chappements en acier / exhaust system
radiateur de chaufferette firefly / cabin heater
support de moteur / engine mount for CH601
support de radiateur / radiator mount
boite a air du carburateur / carburetor heat box
Le moteur sur l'avion a environ 300 heures de vol. The engine installed on the
aircraft has approximately 300 hours of flying hours.
Michel
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
----- Original Message ----
From: Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com>
Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 8:33:41 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: dual sticks trade for single
I've recently purchased a project that has dual sticks installed. I prefer a
single stick and would like to swap for a single with anyone whose interested in
getting duals. These have never flown, but were primed installed in a nearly
complete fuselage. I'd also be willing to sell if anybody is interested.
You can contact me off list if you like.
rsteele@rjsit.com
Ron
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| Subject: | Subaru engines for sale |
Why are you changing out the engine?
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Therrien
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 8:18 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
Hello group!
As you know, I am working on a Franklin engine installation for my CH601. I
am ready to remove my SubaruEA-81 which is now forsale. This will be a
nearly complete installation (I keep the alternator and a few senders). I
will also include a second engine and many parts and manuals.
Here is a link to myad...:
http://montreal.kijiji.ca/c-autos-et-vehicules-autres-Moteur-Subaru-EA-81-En
gine-installation-avion-quasi-complete-W0QQAdIdZ284687563
I will be happy to provide allinformation to anyone interested; including
past issues and present engine condition. Assembly details are on
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/
Details are below:
Installation moteur pour un Zenair CH601 quasi complte / Nearly complete
engine installation for a Zenair Zodiac CH601
2 moteurs Subaru EA-81 GL 1983 (un spare) / two engines rduction courroie
Dave Johnson / reduction drive capot moteur / custom cowling distributeur
Nippodenso avec dual pickups et modules GM distributeur de rechange Hitachi
avec dual pickups livres et manuels de service / service manuals plusieurs
pices de rechanges / many spare parts gaskets extra / extra gaskets
radiateur a eau Volkswagen / radiator refroidisseur d'huile B&M / oil cooler
intake modifi / intake manifold carburateur Holley 5200 / carburetor
chappements en acier / exhaust system radiateur de chaufferette firefly /
cabin heater support de moteur / engine mount for CH601 support de radiateur
/ radiator mount boite a air du carburateur / carburetor heat box Le moteur
sur l'avion a environ 300 heures de vol. The engine installed on the
aircraft has approximately 300 hours of flying hours.
Michel
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
----- Original Message ----
From: Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com>
Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 8:33:41 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: dual sticks trade for single
I've recently purchased a project that has dual sticks installed. I prefer
a single stick and would like to swap for a single with anyone whose
interested in getting duals. These have never flown, but were primed
installed in a nearly complete fuselage. I'd also be willing to sell if
anybody is interested.
You can contact me off list if you like.
rsteele@rjsit.com
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Subaru engines for sale |
Michel,
Are you aware of the Jim Burkholder accident in a 601 with the Franklin?
Jeff D
-----Original Message-----
>From: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>Sent: May 23, 2011 11:17 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
>
>
>Hello group!
>
>As you know, I am working on a Franklin engine installation for my CH601. I am
>ready to remove my SubaruEA-81 which is now forsale. This will be a nearly
>complete installation (I keep the alternator and a few senders). I will also
>include a second engine and many parts and manuals.
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| Subject: | Subaru engines for sale |
HI Jeff,
<< Are you aware of the Jim Burkholder accident in a 601 with the Franklin?>>
Without additional information that seems a little like "bomb" throwing. I cant
think of a single engine that has not had a failure. Was there something about
the Franklin incident that would lead you to believe it was a fundamental
design flaw? If so, please share with the list so we all can learn from it.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Davidson
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
--> <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Michel,
Are you aware of the Jim Burkholder accident in a 601 with the Franklin?
Jeff D
-----Original Message-----
>From: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>Sent: May 23, 2011 11:17 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
>
>
>Hello group!
>
>As you know, I am working on a Franklin engine installation for my
>CH601. I am ready to remove my Subaru EA-81 which is now for sale.
>This will be a nearly complete installation (I keep the alternator and
>a few senders). I will also include a second engine and many parts and manuals.
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| Subject: | Re: Subaru engines for sale |
NoI'm not, but I would certainly likegetting more details. One of my friend
flew for years with that type of engine and found it very smooth a very little
maintenance. He did a top overhaul after 800 hours. Please share what you
know aboutthis accident.
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
----- Original Message ----
From: Jeff Davidson <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 2:30:53 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
<jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Michel,
Are you aware of the Jim Burkholder accident in a 601 with the Franklin?
Jeff D
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| Subject: | Re: Subaru engines for sale |
As I said before and wrote on my web page, my only regret with my plane was not
installing an aircraft engine in the first place. The Subaru appears to be very
resistant to catastrophic failures (I had a friend that lost all the coolant;
the engine was not damaged... another friend broke his crank shaft and he was
able to fly another 5 minutes and get to the runway. I had a valve and valve
spring broken and I could not even notice it while flying --- I noticed lack of
compression on a cylinder during the next preflight). But this being said, it
(the Soob) requires a LOT of maintenance. Mostly valve related maintenance and
reduction drive maintenance.
Last summer, I feltmy enginewas less powerful and on my last flight, I noticed
a vibration that I did not like... I decided to land at a nearby airport and
concentrate on my Franklin install thereafter.
I don't think much of any automobile engine in an aircraft anymore. It is not
even much cheaper (I put more than 14 k$ in my Soob install including all the
remake I had to do... selling price is NOT based on cost :-)).The Franlkin
project will cost me around 20 to 23 k$ including everything that does around
the engine (that started with a 7 k$ bare new engine).
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
----- Original Message ----
From: Steve Freeman <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 12:32:42 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
Why are you changing out the engine?
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Subaru engines for sale |
Michel,
I'll do some digging on it. Jim was a local (Washington, DC) builder that I became
friends with years ago. He retired and moved to Florida. About a 2-3 years
ago he crashed - engine failure as I remember - hit a tree and burned. His
passenger died on the scene and I believe Jim died from his burns a year later
or so. Jim always told me that he was never sure that the Franklin was the
best idea he had had. There was a Franklin distributor in Winchester, VA at
the time but I believe that they are gone now. I will find the NTSB report for
you.
Jeff D
-----Original Message-----
>From: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>Sent: May 23, 2011 5:59 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
>
>
>NoI'm not, but I would certainly likegetting more details. One of my friend
>flew for years with that type of engine and found it very smooth a very little
>maintenance. He did a top overhaul after 800 hours. Please share what you
>know aboutthis accident.
>----------------------------
>Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
>http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
>http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Jeff Davidson <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 2:30:53 PM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
>
><jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
>
>Michel,
>Are you aware of the Jim Burkholder accident in a 601 with the Franklin?
>Jeff D
>
>
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| Subject: | Subaru engines for sale |
Steve,
I am sorry that you took it that way. Jim was a friend of mine so it hit home.
I'll dig out the NTSB report. Jim was a member of this list too so his old
posts are in the archives. Am I the only one to remember him?
Jeff D.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Freeman <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
>Sent: May 23, 2011 2:56 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
>
>
>HI Jeff,
>
><< Are you aware of the Jim Burkholder accident in a 601 with the Franklin?>>
>
>Without additional information that seems a little like "bomb" throwing. I cant
think of a single engine that has not had a failure. Was there something
about the Franklin incident that would lead you to believe it was a fundamental
design flaw? If so, please share with the list so we all can learn from it.
>
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Davidson
>Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 11:31 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
>
>--> <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
>
>Michel,
>Are you aware of the Jim Burkholder accident in a 601 with the Franklin?
>Jeff D
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: May 23, 2011 11:17 AM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
>>
>>
>>Hello group!
>>
>>As you know, I am working on a Franklin engine installation for my
>>CH601. I am ready to remove my Subaru EA-81 which is now for sale.
>>This will be a nearly complete installation (I keep the alternator and
>>a few senders). I will also include a second engine and many parts and manuals.
>
>
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Hi Jeff,
I am truly sorry for the loss of your friend.
I was not offended by your comment I just thought it lacked substance on a very
volatile topic.
I was off the list for several years for many long and boring reasons but I am
actively building again.
I also had a Subaru conversion on the first plane I built to 95% completion. I
sold that plane to a flying club in Australia where it is flying today. However,
they had an engine out over the Bush due to a cooling system failure. It
was later determined this was a design flaw and nothing to do with my installation.
Thank G-d pilot and passenger walked away from this unscathed after a
forced landing.
I am planning on installing a Corvair in my 650 project built by William Wynne.
I never thought I would consider another auto conversion but after speaking
to William he allayed many of my fears with a very frank (and inspired) recitation
of the facts.
Steve Freeman
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Davidson
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
--> <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Steve,
I am sorry that you took it that way. Jim was a friend of mine so it hit home.
I'll dig out the NTSB report. Jim was a member of this list too so his old
posts are in the archives. Am I the only one to remember him?
Jeff D.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Freeman <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
>Sent: May 23, 2011 2:56 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
>
>--> <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
>
>HI Jeff,
>
><< Are you aware of the Jim Burkholder accident in a 601 with the
>Franklin?>>
>
>Without additional information that seems a little like "bomb" throwing. I cant
think of a single engine that has not had a failure. Was there something
about the Franklin incident that would lead you to believe it was a fundamental
design flaw? If so, please share with the list so we all can learn from it.
>
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>Davidson
>Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 11:31 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
>
>--> <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
>
>Michel,
>Are you aware of the Jim Burkholder accident in a 601 with the Franklin?
>Jeff D
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: May 23, 2011 11:17 AM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
>>
>>
>>Hello group!
>>
>>As you know, I am working on a Franklin engine installation for my
>>CH601. I am ready to remove my Subaru EA-81 which is now for sale.
>>This will be a nearly complete installation (I keep the alternator and
>>a few senders). I will also include a second engine and many parts and manuals.
>
>
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| Subject: | Subaru engines for sale |
The NTSB report is available at
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief2.aspx?ev_id 090310X44201&ntsbno=ERA09LA193&akey=1
Unfortunately, there is not much positive or negative about the Franklin engine.
I just remember that Jim was not totally thrilled with it.
Jeff D
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Freeman <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
>Sent: May 23, 2011 8:20 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
>
>
>Hi Jeff,
>
>I am truly sorry for the loss of your friend.
>
>I was not offended by your comment I just thought it lacked substance on a very
volatile topic.
>
>I was off the list for several years for many long and boring reasons but I am
actively building again.
>
>I also had a Subaru conversion on the first plane I built to 95% completion.
I sold that plane to a flying club in Australia where it is flying today. However,
they had an engine out over the Bush due to a cooling system failure. It
was later determined this was a design flaw and nothing to do with my installation.
Thank G-d pilot and passenger walked away from this unscathed after
a forced landing.
>
>I am planning on installing a Corvair in my 650 project built by William Wynne.
I never thought I would consider another auto conversion but after speaking
to William he allayed many of my fears with a very frank (and inspired) recitation
of the facts.
>
>Steve Freeman
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Davidson
>Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 3:23 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
>
>--> <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
>
>Steve,
>I am sorry that you took it that way. Jim was a friend of mine so it hit home.
I'll dig out the NTSB report. Jim was a member of this list too so his old
posts are in the archives. Am I the only one to remember him?
>Jeff D.
>do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Steve Freeman <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
>>Sent: May 23, 2011 2:56 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
>>
>>--> <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
>>
>>HI Jeff,
>>
>><< Are you aware of the Jim Burkholder accident in a 601 with the
>>Franklin?>>
>>
>>Without additional information that seems a little like "bomb" throwing. I cant
think of a single engine that has not had a failure. Was there something
about the Franklin incident that would lead you to believe it was a fundamental
design flaw? If so, please share with the list so we all can learn from it.
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>>Davidson
>>Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 11:31 AM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
>>
>>--> <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
>>
>>Michel,
>>Are you aware of the Jim Burkholder accident in a 601 with the Franklin?
>>Jeff D
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>>>Sent: May 23, 2011 11:17 AM
>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Zenith-List: Subaru engines for sale
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello group!
>>>
>>>As you know, I am working on a Franklin engine installation for my
>>>CH601. I am ready to remove my Subaru EA-81 which is now for sale.
>>>This will be a nearly complete installation (I keep the alternator and
>>>a few senders). I will also include a second engine and many parts and manuals.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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