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1. 06:16 PM - Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! (Matt Dralle)
2. 07:18 PM - Zodiac 601 XL-B For Sale (japhillipsga@aol.com)
3. 07:21 PM - Re: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! (n801bh@netzero.com)
4. 07:26 PM - Re: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! (Paul Mulwitz)
5. 07:46 PM - Re: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! (Matt Dralle)
6. 08:29 PM - 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings (Michel Therrien)
7. 08:33 PM - Airspeed indicator and encoder fittings (Michel Therrien)
8. 09:21 PM - Re: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! (Paul Mulwitz)
9. 11:49 PM - Re: Airspeed indicator and encoder fittings (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! |
Just a heads up to those installing or planning on installing Bose X or A20 Active
NR headsets using the inline power jacks. Specifically these units:
http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/headphones/aviation_headsets/accessories/headset_installkit_acc.jsp
They now come with only 3 feet of cable! Three years ago they came with 6 feet
of cable and I thought at the time that 6 feet seemed a little short. Now 3
feet? What idiot penny pincher in Bose marketing decided "three feet should be
plenty". Here's quote from the Bose web page above: "Three-foot wiring harness
with six pin female connector allows for *placement in locations throughout
aircraft*." WTF? On what planet will a 3-foot hardness reach "locations throughout
the aircraft". That's just plain stupid.
If these were third rate, el-cheapo headsets, I'd write it off to penny pinching,
but for a >$1000 product that you then have to spend an additional $32 for
an installation cable, cheaping out on the cable length is just simply unacceptable.
I have the jacks mounted in the center of the RV-8, and the cables don't even reach
to the righthand control console. What does Bose expect people to do; splice
the wire? That's ridiculous! What would somebody installing in the back
seats of a 4 or 6 place airplane do?
Of course I wrote a scathing email to Bose Support just now. I'm sure they will
write back with "for most of our customers, three feet is sufficient".
Given this direction within Bose, I'd definitely consider the new Sennheiser S1
if I had to do it over again. Additionally, the Sennheiser's Bluetooth supports
the A2DP, AVRCP STEREO profiles. The Bose A20's Bluetooth does NOT support
stereo. It must have been the same marketing moron that dictated 3' cables
that decided not to include stereo Bluetooth profiles. Unbelievable.
Matt
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Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
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| Subject: | Zodiac 601 XL-B For Sale |
I have two planes and must sell one. Have Red & White XL-B, 3300 Jab Six c
ycl, elec trims & flaps, duel sticks and brakes, fresh annual, 160 hours, f
ly's great, Color GPS included. Always hangered, all mods completed, no dam
age, built be owned. Best 601 or 650 flying!! Need $47 K or best offer.
E-mail off thread or call 478-731-9678. Located in Mid Georgia, thanks, Bil
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| Subject: | Re: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! |
Oh, come on Matt, tell us how you really feel . <GG>
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
s.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long!
Just a heads up to those installing or planning on installing Bose X or
A20 Active NR headsets using the inline power jacks. Specifically these
units:
http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/headphones/aviation_he
adsets/accessories/headset_installkit_acc.jsp
They now come with only 3 feet of cable! Three years ago they came with
6 feet of cable and I thought at the time that 6 feet seemed a little s
hort. Now 3 feet? What idiot penny pincher in Bose marketing decided "
three feet should be plenty". Here's quote from the Bose web page abov
e: "Three-foot wiring harness with six pin female connector allows for *
placement in locations throughout aircraft*." WTF? On what planet will
a 3-foot hardness reach "locations throughout the aircraft". That's ju
st plain stupid.
If these were third rate, el-cheapo headsets, I'd write it off to penny
pinching, but for a >$1000 product that you then have to spend an additi
onal $32 for an installation cable, cheaping out on the cable length is
just simply unacceptable.
I have the jacks mounted in the center of the RV-8, and the cables don't
even reach to the righthand control console. What does Bose expect peo
ple to do; splice the wire? That's ridiculous! What would somebody ins
talling in the back seats of a 4 or 6 place airplane do?
Of course I wrote a scathing email to Bose Support just now. I'm sure t
hey will write back with "for most of our customers, three feet is suffi
cient".
Given this direction within Bose, I'd definitely consider the new Sennhe
iser S1 if I had to do it over again. Additionally, the Sennheiser's Bl
uetooth supports the A2DP, AVRCP STEREO profiles. The Bose A20's Blueto
oth does NOT support stereo. It must have been the same marketing moron
that dictated 3' cables that decided not to include stereo Bluetooth pr
ofiles. Unbelievable.
Matt
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RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
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| Subject: | Re: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! |
Hi Matt,
I am using the battery powered Bose headset in my Zodiac and just love
it. I also used it in my last (leased) plane, and moving from one plane
to another was as simple as unplugging and replugging it in. It uses
standard aircraft phone plugs, so if more distance was needed (I have
plenty to reach my center console) I guess it would be easy to make or
buy extension cords. You have to change the batteries from time to
time, but they last a long time.
I don't really understand the 3 foot cord thing. Is this the connection
from the headset to the aircraft or from the aircraft plug to the radio
or other electronics on the instrument panel? I figure you need long
wires from the audio equipment to the headset plug but not so much from
the headset plug to the headset. Of course I am just guessing rather
than swearing at poor results.
Maybe your issues with the Bose product would all be solved if you went
to the battery powered units.
Paul
Camas, WA
On 8/13/2011 6:12 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle<dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
> Just a heads up to those installing or planning on installing Bose X or A20 Active
NR headsets using the inline power jacks. Specifically these units:
>
> http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/headphones/aviation_headsets/accessories/headset_installkit_acc.jsp
>
> They now come with only 3 feet of cable! Three years ago they came with 6 feet
of cable and I thought at the time that 6 feet seemed a little short. Now
3 feet? What idiot penny pincher in Bose marketing decided "three feet should
be plenty". Here's quote from the Bose web page above: "Three-foot wiring harness
with six pin female connector allows for *placement in locations throughout
aircraft*." WTF? On what planet will a 3-foot hardness reach "locations
throughout the aircraft". That's just plain stupid.
>
> If these were third rate, el-cheapo headsets, I'd write it off to penny pinching,
but for a>$1000 product that you then have to spend an additional $32 for
an installation cable, cheaping out on the cable length is just simply unacceptable.
>
> I have the jacks mounted in the center of the RV-8, and the cables don't even
reach to the righthand control console. What does Bose expect people to do;
splice the wire? That's ridiculous! What would somebody installing in the back
seats of a 4 or 6 place airplane do?
>
> Of course I wrote a scathing email to Bose Support just now. I'm sure they will
write back with "for most of our customers, three feet is sufficient".
>
> Given this direction within Bose, I'd definitely consider the new Sennheiser
S1 if I had to do it over again. Additionally, the Sennheiser's Bluetooth supports
the A2DP, AVRCP STEREO profiles. The Bose A20's Bluetooth does NOT support
stereo. It must have been the same marketing moron that dictated 3' cables
that decided not to include stereo Bluetooth profiles. Unbelievable.
>
> Matt
>
>
> -
> Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! |
Hi Paul,
I'm referring to the in-line power cables that go from the Intercom to the bulkhead
jack where you would plug the headset in. The cables from the headset to
the control module to the jack are fine length. Its just the panel mount jack
and cable assembly with power that are too short. 3' to be exact. I had them
in first RV-8 and not having batteries was very nice, since the headphones
got their power from the jack. The jacks is a special 6-pin radial unit so there's
no way to re-solder new wires onto it. The only option is to splice the
3-lead speaker wire, the 2-wire microphone wires, the power lead, and the 3
separate ground leads. That's a lot of splices. And breaking the shield on the
headphones and microphones in the middle is a good way to get noise.
I recovered the old jacks and cables from the wrecked RV-8 fuselage and they are
cut to 5 feet long. I really wanted to put new jacks and cables in, though.
Three foot cables for a hidden, bulkhead mounting installation is just a complete
boner on the part of Bose. I am really anxious to hear their response to
my email to them. I just can't think of any valid reason for making them so
short. They are pigtails and the assumption is that you will cut them to length.
Why wouldn't they make them 6 or 10 feet long just in case? Ridiculous.
Matt
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Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
At 07:21 PM 8/13/2011 Saturday, you wrote:
>
>Hi Matt,
>
>I am using the battery powered Bose headset in my Zodiac and just love it. I
also used it in my last (leased) plane, and moving from one plane to another was
as simple as unplugging and replugging it in. It uses standard aircraft phone
plugs, so if more distance was needed (I have plenty to reach my center console)
I guess it would be easy to make or buy extension cords. You have to change
the batteries from time to time, but they last a long time.
>
>I don't really understand the 3 foot cord thing. Is this the connection from
the headset to the aircraft or from the aircraft plug to the radio or other electronics
on the instrument panel? I figure you need long wires from the audio
equipment to the headset plug but not so much from the headset plug to the headset.
Of course I am just guessing rather than swearing at poor results.
>
>Maybe your issues with the Bose product would all be solved if you went to the
battery powered units.
>
>Paul
>Camas, WA
>
>On 8/13/2011 6:12 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle<dralle@matronics.com>
>>
>>
>>Just a heads up to those installing or planning on installing Bose X or A20 Active
NR headsets using the inline power jacks. Specifically these units:
>>
>>http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/headphones/aviation_headsets/accessories/headset_installkit_acc.jsp
>>
>>They now come with only 3 feet of cable! Three years ago they came with 6 feet
of cable and I thought at the time that 6 feet seemed a little short. Now
3 feet? What idiot penny pincher in Bose marketing decided "three feet should
be plenty". Here's quote from the Bose web page above: "Three-foot wiring harness
with six pin female connector allows for *placement in locations throughout
aircraft*." WTF? On what planet will a 3-foot hardness reach "locations
throughout the aircraft". That's just plain stupid.
>>
>>If these were third rate, el-cheapo headsets, I'd write it off to penny pinching,
but for a>$1000 product that you then have to spend an additional $32 for
an installation cable, cheaping out on the cable length is just simply unacceptable.
>>
>>I have the jacks mounted in the center of the RV-8, and the cables don't even
reach to the righthand control console. What does Bose expect people to do;
splice the wire? That's ridiculous! What would somebody installing in the back
seats of a 4 or 6 place airplane do?
>>
>>Of course I wrote a scathing email to Bose Support just now. I'm sure they will
write back with "for most of our customers, three feet is sufficient".
>>
>>Given this direction within Bose, I'd definitely consider the new Sennheiser
S1 if I had to do it over again. Additionally, the Sennheiser's Bluetooth supports
the A2DP, AVRCP STEREO profiles. The Bose A20's Bluetooth does NOT support
stereo. It must have been the same marketing moron that dictated 3' cables
that decided not to include stereo Bluetooth profiles. Unbelievable.
>>
>>Matt
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| Subject: | 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings |
Hi group!- =0A-=0AI had a major unpleasant surprise today when I disman
tled my firewall-forward installation.- While removing the engine mount,
I felt there was too much "play" in the movement of an upper engine mount f
itting bolt.- This is part 6-F-7-2 in the plans.- =0A-=0AMy upper lef
t fitting was indeed cracked in-such a way that the side angle was no lon
ger united to the front side of the fitting.- There might be more and I w
ill know later when I remove the four fittings-to inspect, sand blast and
repaint them.- At first glance, the lower fittings appear OK.=0A-=0ATh
ese are parts I never really inspected when I did my annuals so I don't kno
w if I have been flying with broken engine mount fittings or not and for ho
w long.- But I don't like the idea that I did.=0A-=0A=0A---------------
-------------=0AMichel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ=0Ahttp://mthobby.pcperfect
.com/ch601=0Ahttp://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Airspeed indicator and encoder fittings |
Hi group! (again)=0A-=0AI used plastic hoses and fittings for my pitot/st
atics and flight instruments.- As I have a transponder, every 24 months,
I have to dismantle the airspeed indicator and encoder to get them corelate
d while the transponder is re-certified. =0A-=0ANow that I am working on
my plane again I would like to upgrade the connections in such a way that i
t is easier to dismantle every two years and of course, in a way that the c
onnections will remain reliable.=0A-=0AWhat fittings do you use for that
purpose on your altimeter and encoder?=0A-=0A=0A-------------------------
---=0AMichel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ=0Ahttp://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
=0Ahttp://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! |
Hi Matt,
I understand now. It does seem like excessive economy in a very high
priced product line. I suppose 3 feet would be long enough for many
installations - the ones where the jack goes on or near the instrument
panel. Still, there are other installations - for example behind the
seats - where longer leads would be nice.
I am unhappy with Bose and their soul mates Garmin too. They both have
"Predatory" sales practices where they don't allow their dealers to
compete with each other over price. That means we must pay full price
for any of their products no matter which dealer we use. It stinks of
monopoly practices. Unfortunately, it is perfectly legal and the only
reason they get away with it is they sell the best products available on
the market so we are stuck paying their "Fondest Wish" prices.
Perhaps you can pay them a few extra dollars and get longer leads?
Paul
On 8/13/2011 7:40 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I'm referring to the in-line power cables that go from the Intercom to the bulkhead
jack where you would plug the headset in. The cables from the headset
to the control module to the jack are fine length. Its just the panel mount
jack and cable assembly with power that are too short. 3' to be exact. I had
them in first RV-8 and not having batteries was very nice, since the headphones
got their power from the jack. The jacks is a special 6-pin radial unit so
there's no way to re-solder new wires onto it. The only option is to splice
the 3-lead speaker wire, the 2-wire microphone wires, the power lead, and the
3 separate ground leads. That's a lot of splices. And breaking the shield on
the headphones and microphones in the middle is a good way to get noise.
>
> I recovered the old jacks and cables from the wrecked RV-8 fuselage and they
are cut to 5 feet long. I really wanted to put new jacks and cables in, though.
Three foot cables for a hidden, bulkhead mounting installation is just a complete
boner on the part of Bose. I am really anxious to hear their response
to my email to them. I just can't think of any valid reason for making them
so short. They are pigtails and the assumption is that you will cut them to length.
Why wouldn't they make them 6 or 10 feet long just in case? Ridiculous.
>
> Matt
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| Subject: | Airspeed indicator and encoder fittings |
Both Safeair and Stein sell pitot/static fitting that release:
http://www.safeair1.com/
http://www.steinair.com/
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Therrien
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:29 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Airspeed indicator and encoder fittings
Hi group! (again)
I used plastic hoses and fittings for my pitot/statics and flight
instruments. As I have a transponder, every 24 months, I have to dismantle
the airspeed indicator and encoder to get them corelated while the
transponder is re-certified.
Now that I am working on my plane again I would like to upgrade the
connections in such a way that it is easier to dismantle every two years and
of course, in a way that the connections will remain reliable.
What fittings do you use for that purpose on your altimeter and encoder?
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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