---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/13/11: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:16 PM - Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! (Matt Dralle) 2. 07:18 PM - Zodiac 601 XL-B For Sale (japhillipsga@aol.com) 3. 07:21 PM - Re: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! (n801bh@netzero.com) 4. 07:26 PM - Re: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! (Paul Mulwitz) 5. 07:46 PM - Re: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! (Matt Dralle) 6. 08:29 PM - 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings (Michel Therrien) 7. 08:33 PM - Airspeed indicator and encoder fittings (Michel Therrien) 8. 09:21 PM - Re: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! (Paul Mulwitz) 9. 11:49 PM - Re: Airspeed indicator and encoder fittings (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:15 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! Just a heads up to those installing or planning on installing Bose X or A20 Active NR headsets using the inline power jacks. Specifically these units: http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/headphones/aviation_headsets/accessories/headset_installkit_acc.jsp They now come with only 3 feet of cable! Three years ago they came with 6 feet of cable and I thought at the time that 6 feet seemed a little short. Now 3 feet? What idiot penny pincher in Bose marketing decided "three feet should be plenty". Here's quote from the Bose web page above: "Three-foot wiring harness with six pin female connector allows for *placement in locations throughout aircraft*." WTF? On what planet will a 3-foot hardness reach "locations throughout the aircraft". That's just plain stupid. If these were third rate, el-cheapo headsets, I'd write it off to penny pinching, but for a >$1000 product that you then have to spend an additional $32 for an installation cable, cheaping out on the cable length is just simply unacceptable. I have the jacks mounted in the center of the RV-8, and the cables don't even reach to the righthand control console. What does Bose expect people to do; splice the wire? That's ridiculous! What would somebody installing in the back seats of a 4 or 6 place airplane do? Of course I wrote a scathing email to Bose Support just now. I'm sure they will write back with "for most of our customers, three feet is sufficient". Given this direction within Bose, I'd definitely consider the new Sennheiser S1 if I had to do it over again. Additionally, the Sennheiser's Bluetooth supports the A2DP, AVRCP STEREO profiles. The Bose A20's Bluetooth does NOT support stereo. It must have been the same marketing moron that dictated 3' cables that decided not to include stereo Bluetooth profiles. Unbelievable. Matt - Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:20 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601 XL-B For Sale From: japhillipsga@aol.com I have two planes and must sell one. Have Red & White XL-B, 3300 Jab Six c ycl, elec trims & flaps, duel sticks and brakes, fresh annual, 160 hours, f ly's great, Color GPS included. Always hangered, all mods completed, no dam age, built be owned. Best 601 or 650 flying!! Need $47 K or best offer. 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Oh, come on Matt, tell us how you really feel . do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Matt Dralle s.com Subject: Zenith-List: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! Just a heads up to those installing or planning on installing Bose X or A20 Active NR headsets using the inline power jacks. Specifically these units: http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/headphones/aviation_he adsets/accessories/headset_installkit_acc.jsp They now come with only 3 feet of cable! Three years ago they came with 6 feet of cable and I thought at the time that 6 feet seemed a little s hort. Now 3 feet? What idiot penny pincher in Bose marketing decided " three feet should be plenty". Here's quote from the Bose web page abov e: "Three-foot wiring harness with six pin female connector allows for * placement in locations throughout aircraft*." WTF? On what planet will a 3-foot hardness reach "locations throughout the aircraft". That's ju st plain stupid. If these were third rate, el-cheapo headsets, I'd write it off to penny pinching, but for a >$1000 product that you then have to spend an additi onal $32 for an installation cable, cheaping out on the cable length is just simply unacceptable. I have the jacks mounted in the center of the RV-8, and the cables don't even reach to the righthand control console. What does Bose expect peo ple to do; splice the wire? That's ridiculous! What would somebody ins talling in the back seats of a 4 or 6 place airplane do? Of course I wrote a scathing email to Bose Support just now. I'm sure t hey will write back with "for most of our customers, three feet is suffi cient". Given this direction within Bose, I'd definitely consider the new Sennhe iser S1 if I had to do it over again. Additionally, the Sennheiser's Bl uetooth supports the A2DP, AVRCP STEREO profiles. The Bose A20's Blueto oth does NOT support stereo. It must have been the same marketing moron that dictated 3' cables that decided not to include stereo Bluetooth pr ofiles. Unbelievable. Matt - Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4e472fe57484e5ff5fast05vuc ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:38 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! Hi Matt, I am using the battery powered Bose headset in my Zodiac and just love it. I also used it in my last (leased) plane, and moving from one plane to another was as simple as unplugging and replugging it in. It uses standard aircraft phone plugs, so if more distance was needed (I have plenty to reach my center console) I guess it would be easy to make or buy extension cords. You have to change the batteries from time to time, but they last a long time. I don't really understand the 3 foot cord thing. Is this the connection from the headset to the aircraft or from the aircraft plug to the radio or other electronics on the instrument panel? I figure you need long wires from the audio equipment to the headset plug but not so much from the headset plug to the headset. Of course I am just guessing rather than swearing at poor results. Maybe your issues with the Bose product would all be solved if you went to the battery powered units. Paul Camas, WA On 8/13/2011 6:12 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > > Just a heads up to those installing or planning on installing Bose X or A20 Active NR headsets using the inline power jacks. Specifically these units: > > http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/headphones/aviation_headsets/accessories/headset_installkit_acc.jsp > > They now come with only 3 feet of cable! Three years ago they came with 6 feet of cable and I thought at the time that 6 feet seemed a little short. Now 3 feet? What idiot penny pincher in Bose marketing decided "three feet should be plenty". Here's quote from the Bose web page above: "Three-foot wiring harness with six pin female connector allows for *placement in locations throughout aircraft*." WTF? On what planet will a 3-foot hardness reach "locations throughout the aircraft". That's just plain stupid. > > If these were third rate, el-cheapo headsets, I'd write it off to penny pinching, but for a>$1000 product that you then have to spend an additional $32 for an installation cable, cheaping out on the cable length is just simply unacceptable. > > I have the jacks mounted in the center of the RV-8, and the cables don't even reach to the righthand control console. What does Bose expect people to do; splice the wire? That's ridiculous! What would somebody installing in the back seats of a 4 or 6 place airplane do? > > Of course I wrote a scathing email to Bose Support just now. I'm sure they will write back with "for most of our customers, three feet is sufficient". > > Given this direction within Bose, I'd definitely consider the new Sennheiser S1 if I had to do it over again. Additionally, the Sennheiser's Bluetooth supports the A2DP, AVRCP STEREO profiles. The Bose A20's Bluetooth does NOT support stereo. It must have been the same marketing moron that dictated 3' cables that decided not to include stereo Bluetooth profiles. Unbelievable. > > Matt > > > - > Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:09 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! Hi Paul, I'm referring to the in-line power cables that go from the Intercom to the bulkhead jack where you would plug the headset in. The cables from the headset to the control module to the jack are fine length. Its just the panel mount jack and cable assembly with power that are too short. 3' to be exact. I had them in first RV-8 and not having batteries was very nice, since the headphones got their power from the jack. The jacks is a special 6-pin radial unit so there's no way to re-solder new wires onto it. The only option is to splice the 3-lead speaker wire, the 2-wire microphone wires, the power lead, and the 3 separate ground leads. That's a lot of splices. And breaking the shield on the headphones and microphones in the middle is a good way to get noise. I recovered the old jacks and cables from the wrecked RV-8 fuselage and they are cut to 5 feet long. I really wanted to put new jacks and cables in, though. Three foot cables for a hidden, bulkhead mounting installation is just a complete boner on the part of Bose. I am really anxious to hear their response to my email to them. I just can't think of any valid reason for making them so short. They are pigtails and the assumption is that you will cut them to length. Why wouldn't they make them 6 or 10 feet long just in case? Ridiculous. Matt - Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... At 07:21 PM 8/13/2011 Saturday, you wrote: > >Hi Matt, > >I am using the battery powered Bose headset in my Zodiac and just love it. I also used it in my last (leased) plane, and moving from one plane to another was as simple as unplugging and replugging it in. It uses standard aircraft phone plugs, so if more distance was needed (I have plenty to reach my center console) I guess it would be easy to make or buy extension cords. You have to change the batteries from time to time, but they last a long time. > >I don't really understand the 3 foot cord thing. Is this the connection from the headset to the aircraft or from the aircraft plug to the radio or other electronics on the instrument panel? I figure you need long wires from the audio equipment to the headset plug but not so much from the headset plug to the headset. Of course I am just guessing rather than swearing at poor results. > >Maybe your issues with the Bose product would all be solved if you went to the battery powered units. > >Paul >Camas, WA > >On 8/13/2011 6:12 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle >> >> >>Just a heads up to those installing or planning on installing Bose X or A20 Active NR headsets using the inline power jacks. Specifically these units: >> >>http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/headphones/aviation_headsets/accessories/headset_installkit_acc.jsp >> >>They now come with only 3 feet of cable! Three years ago they came with 6 feet of cable and I thought at the time that 6 feet seemed a little short. Now 3 feet? What idiot penny pincher in Bose marketing decided "three feet should be plenty". Here's quote from the Bose web page above: "Three-foot wiring harness with six pin female connector allows for *placement in locations throughout aircraft*." WTF? On what planet will a 3-foot hardness reach "locations throughout the aircraft". That's just plain stupid. >> >>If these were third rate, el-cheapo headsets, I'd write it off to penny pinching, but for a>$1000 product that you then have to spend an additional $32 for an installation cable, cheaping out on the cable length is just simply unacceptable. >> >>I have the jacks mounted in the center of the RV-8, and the cables don't even reach to the righthand control console. What does Bose expect people to do; splice the wire? That's ridiculous! What would somebody installing in the back seats of a 4 or 6 place airplane do? >> >>Of course I wrote a scathing email to Bose Support just now. I'm sure they will write back with "for most of our customers, three feet is sufficient". >> >>Given this direction within Bose, I'd definitely consider the new Sennheiser S1 if I had to do it over again. Additionally, the Sennheiser's Bluetooth supports the A2DP, AVRCP STEREO profiles. The Bose A20's Bluetooth does NOT support stereo. It must have been the same marketing moron that dictated 3' cables that decided not to include stereo Bluetooth profiles. Unbelievable. >> >>Matt ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:43 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Zenith-List: 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings Hi group!- =0A-=0AI had a major unpleasant surprise today when I disman tled my firewall-forward installation.- While removing the engine mount, I felt there was too much "play" in the movement of an upper engine mount f itting bolt.- This is part 6-F-7-2 in the plans.- =0A-=0AMy upper lef t fitting was indeed cracked in-such a way that the side angle was no lon ger united to the front side of the fitting.- There might be more and I w ill know later when I remove the four fittings-to inspect, sand blast and repaint them.- At first glance, the lower fittings appear OK.=0A-=0ATh ese are parts I never really inspected when I did my annuals so I don't kno w if I have been flying with broken engine mount fittings or not and for ho w long.- But I don't like the idea that I did.=0A-=0A=0A--------------- -------------=0AMichel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ=0Ahttp://mthobby.pcperfect .com/ch601=0Ahttp://pages.infinit.net/mthobby ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:43 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Zenith-List: Airspeed indicator and encoder fittings Hi group! (again)=0A-=0AI used plastic hoses and fittings for my pitot/st atics and flight instruments.- As I have a transponder, every 24 months, I have to dismantle the airspeed indicator and encoder to get them corelate d while the transponder is re-certified. =0A-=0ANow that I am working on my plane again I would like to upgrade the connections in such a way that i t is easier to dismantle every two years and of course, in a way that the c onnections will remain reliable.=0A-=0AWhat fittings do you use for that purpose on your altimeter and encoder?=0A-=0A=0A------------------------- ---=0AMichel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ=0Ahttp://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 =0Ahttp://pages.infinit.net/mthobby ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:20 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Warning - New Bose Line Power Cables Only 3' Long! Hi Matt, I understand now. It does seem like excessive economy in a very high priced product line. I suppose 3 feet would be long enough for many installations - the ones where the jack goes on or near the instrument panel. Still, there are other installations - for example behind the seats - where longer leads would be nice. I am unhappy with Bose and their soul mates Garmin too. They both have "Predatory" sales practices where they don't allow their dealers to compete with each other over price. That means we must pay full price for any of their products no matter which dealer we use. It stinks of monopoly practices. Unfortunately, it is perfectly legal and the only reason they get away with it is they sell the best products available on the market so we are stuck paying their "Fondest Wish" prices. Perhaps you can pay them a few extra dollars and get longer leads? Paul On 8/13/2011 7:40 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > Hi Paul, > > I'm referring to the in-line power cables that go from the Intercom to the bulkhead jack where you would plug the headset in. The cables from the headset to the control module to the jack are fine length. Its just the panel mount jack and cable assembly with power that are too short. 3' to be exact. I had them in first RV-8 and not having batteries was very nice, since the headphones got their power from the jack. The jacks is a special 6-pin radial unit so there's no way to re-solder new wires onto it. The only option is to splice the 3-lead speaker wire, the 2-wire microphone wires, the power lead, and the 3 separate ground leads. That's a lot of splices. And breaking the shield on the headphones and microphones in the middle is a good way to get noise. > > I recovered the old jacks and cables from the wrecked RV-8 fuselage and they are cut to 5 feet long. I really wanted to put new jacks and cables in, though. Three foot cables for a hidden, bulkhead mounting installation is just a complete boner on the part of Bose. I am really anxious to hear their response to my email to them. I just can't think of any valid reason for making them so short. They are pigtails and the assumption is that you will cut them to length. Why wouldn't they make them 6 or 10 feet long just in case? Ridiculous. > > Matt ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:03 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Airspeed indicator and encoder fittings Both Safeair and Stein sell pitot/static fitting that release: http://www.safeair1.com/ http://www.steinair.com/ -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Therrien Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:29 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Airspeed indicator and encoder fittings Hi group! (again) I used plastic hoses and fittings for my pitot/statics and flight instruments. As I have a transponder, every 24 months, I have to dismantle the airspeed indicator and encoder to get them corelated while the transponder is re-certified. Now that I am working on my plane again I would like to upgrade the connections in such a way that it is easier to dismantle every two years and of course, in a way that the connections will remain reliable. What fittings do you use for that purpose on your altimeter and encoder? ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.