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1. 05:23 AM - Re: 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings (Damien Graham)
2. 06:44 AM - Re: Airspeed indicator and encoder fittings (Jay Bannister)
3. 07:32 AM - Re: [Probable Spam] 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings (Larry McFarland)
4. 11:43 AM - Re: 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings (Clive Richards)
5. 12:01 PM - Re: 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings (Carlos Sa)
6. 04:13 PM - Bucking Bar Recommendation... (Matt Dralle)
7. 06:36 PM - Update! - 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings (Michel Therrien)
8. 06:38 PM - Re: 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings (Steve Freeman)
9. 07:23 PM - Re: 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings (Michel Therrien)
10. 10:51 PM - Re: Update! - 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings (simonnelson@vodamail.co.za)
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| Subject: | Re: 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings |
Thanks. I have been working on the issues that you two brought up during the
annual and I will send you a report when I finish.
Regards,
Damien
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 13, 2011, at 11:24 PM, Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi group!
>
> I had a major unpleasant surprise today when I dismantled my firewall-forw
ard installation. While removing the engine mount, I felt there was too muc
h "play" in the movement of an upper engine mount fitting bolt. This is par
t 6-F-7-2 in the plans.
>
> My upper left fitting was indeed cracked in such a way that the side angle
was no longer united to the front side of the fitting. There might be more
and I will know later when I remove the four fittings to inspect, sand blas
t and repaint them. At first glance, the lower fittings appear OK.
>
> These are parts I never really inspected when I did my annuals so I don't k
now if I have been flying with broken engine mount fittings or not and for h
ow long. But I don't like the idea that I did.
>
>
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> Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
> http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
> http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: Airspeed indicator and encoder fittings |
Michel,
I used the screw type fittings. (see photo) My EAA tech adviser says he pr
efers the barb fittings, because they are less prone to leaking than the sc
rew type, but they are a pain to re-do. The tubing must be cut off and rep
laced. I never had mine tested, so I can't say how tight they are.
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 13, 2011 10:35 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Airspeed indicator and encoder fittings
Hi group! (again)
I used plastic hoses and fittings for my pitot/statics and flight instrumen
ts. As I have a transponder, every 24 months, I have to dismantle the airs
peed indicator and encoder to get them corelated while the transponder is r
e-certified.
Now that I am working on my plane again I would like to upgrade the connect
ions in such a way that it is easier to dismantle every two years and of co
urse, in a way that the connections will remain reliable.
What fittings do you use for that purpose on your altimeter and encoder?
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | 601 owners... something to watch for |
- engine mount fittings
Hi Michel,
I'm not surprised that that part failed. It was a very delicate construction
from the beginning. This part was probably designed when the 601 was
powered by lighter engines. The Subaru has some heft to it. I inspect this
piece every year at the apex of the bend from both sides. Much harder to do
with the solid cover. It's not a bad idea to make the cover removable.
Several years ago a Brit that flew from an old military airfield sent
pictures showing both broken pieces and the firewall was doing most of the
work before it was repaired. Good piece to add to the Annual
Inspection routine. Thanks for the heads up!
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Therrien
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:25 PM
Subject: [Probable Spam] Zenith-List: 601 owners... something to watch for -
engine mount fittings
Hi group!
I had a major unpleasant surprise today when I dismantled my
firewall-forward installation. While removing the engine mount, I felt
there was too much "play" in the movement of an upper engine mount fitting
bolt. This is part 6-F-7-2 in the plans.
My upper left fitting was indeed cracked in such a way that the side angle
was no longer united to the front side of the fitting. There might be more
and I will know later when I remove the four fittings to inspect, sand blast
and repaint them. At first glance, the lower fittings appear OK.
These are parts I never really inspected when I did my annuals so I don't
know if I have been flying with broken engine mount fittings or not and for
how long. But I don't like the idea that I did.
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings |
Michel
We found the cross channel in the engine compartment
cracked on the Left side about 6 years ago on Rays 601 HD with 0-200
when changing Bungee, suspected we had cut off to much material near
engine mount, replaced with a thicker channel and carried the L angle
above completely across fire wall as noticed they had done this on the
XL, have done another 400 hrs since with no problem.
Clive
G CBDG 460 Hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: Damien Graham
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 owners... something to watch for -
engine mount fittings
Thanks. I have been working on the issues that you two brought up
during the annual and I will send you a report when I finish.
Regards,
Damien
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 13, 2011, at 11:24 PM, Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Hi group!
I had a major unpleasant surprise today when I dismantled my
firewall-forward installation. While removing the engine mount, I felt
there was too much "play" in the movement of an upper engine mount
fitting bolt. This is part 6-F-7-2 in the plans.
My upper left fitting was indeed cracked in such a way that the side
angle was no longer united to the front side of the fitting. There
might be more and I will know later when I remove the four fittings to
inspect, sand blast and repaint them. At first glance, the lower
fittings appear OK.
These are parts I never really inspected when I did my annuals so I
don't know if I have been flying with broken engine mount fittings or
not and for how long. But I don't like the idea that I did.
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings |
Clive, are you talking about 6F8-2?
Carlos
On 14 August 2011 14:36, Clive Richards <s.clive.richards@homecall.co.uk>wrote:
> **
> Michel
> We found the cross channel in the engine compartment
> cracked on the Left side about 6 years ago on Rays 601 HD with 0-200 when
> changing Bungee, suspected we had cut off to much material near engine
> mount, replaced with a thicker channel and carried the L angle
> above completely across fire wall as noticed they had done this on the XL,
> have done another 400 hrs since with no problem.
> Clive
> G CBDG 460 Hrs
>
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| Subject: | Bucking Bar Recommendation... |
Dear Listers,
After nearly 23 years of building metal airplanes on and off, I finally came across
a really nice bucking bar. The part number details are below and I've attached
a picture of it with the optional 6.5" Dolly Shank attached (recommended).
The handle has a vibration absorbing mechanism inside and it makes riveting almost
a pleasure. It really works good. I was truly amazed at how much more comfortable
it is riveting using the tool.
If you've got even a modest amount of riveting left to do on your project, surf
over to the US Tool web site and order up one. You won't be sorry!
I don't get any kick back (pun intended) from US Tool; I'm just a very stratified
customer.
US Tool - TP111R - Recoilless Bucking Bar - All Steel:
https://www.ustool.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p 41
US Tool - 31021-3 - 6.5" Dolly Shank:
https://www.ustool.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p 80
Matt
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Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
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| Subject: | Update! - 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount |
fittings
Today, I cleaned up the firewall after I removed all remaining parts relate
d with my Soob installation.=0A=C2-=0AThe upper left engine mount fitting
is broken at the weld seam and also at the lower bend... the firewall side
of that fitting was no longer attached to the rest of the fitting and ther
efore was not pulling on the longeron at all.=C2- It was only pulling on
the firewall.=0A=C2-=0AThe upper right fitting is broken on the side weld
joint.=C2- =0A=C2-=0AI tried to see if I could easilly see that upon i
nspection... not really easy.=C2- I was able to see the right fitting def
ect by playing with the bolt (the engine mount is removed).=C2- Otherwise
, I dont really see that it is broken if I don't move it. =0A=C2-=0AThe l
ower fittings appear to be OK.. I will remove them for inspection however.
=C2- =0A=C2-=0AI will make new parts and I am considering using 0.080"
4130 instead of 0.050".=C2-=C2- I intend to paint them in yellow to eas
e seeing cracks.=C2- Right now, they are black.=C2- I'm a bit nervous p
utting a still heavier engine that will pull more HP on that frame... (my F
ranklin), but I know people installed O-235 and O-200.=0A=C2-=0AI will co
ntact Zenith Aircraft.=C2-=C2- Larry's explanation may be very much rig
ht.... the Soob installation is about 100 lbs heavier than a Rotax install.
I cannot say that the Soob is a vibrating engine however, mine was very sm
ooth.=0A=C2-=0A----------------------------=0AMichel Therrien CH601-HD, C
-GZGQ=0Ahttp://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601=0Ahttp://pages.infinit.net/mthob
by=0A=0AFrom: Larry McFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@mat
ronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:27:12 AM=0ASubject: RE: [Prob
able Spam] Zenith-List: 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount
fittings=0A=0A=0AHi Michel,=0AI=99m not surprised that that part fai
led. It was a very delicate construction from the beginning. =C2-This par
t was probably designed when the 601 was powered by lighter engines.=C2-
The Subaru has some heft to it.=C2- I inspect this piece every year at th
e apex of the bend from both sides.=C2- Much harder to do with the solid
cover. =C2-It=99s not a bad idea to make the cover removable. =C2
-Several years ago a Brit that flew from an old military airfield sent pi
ctures showing both broken pieces and the firewall was doing most of the wo
rk before it was repaired.=C2- Good piece to add to the Annual=0AInspecti
on routine. Thanks for the heads up!=0A=C2-=0ALarry McFarland 601HDS at w
ww.macsmachine.com=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [
mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Therrien
=0ASent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:25 PM=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com
=0ASubject: [Probable Spam] Zenith-List: 601 owners... something to watch f
or - engine mount fittings=0A=C2-=0AHi group!=C2- =0A=C2-=0AI had a m
ajor unpleasant surprise today when I dismantled my firewall-forward instal
lation.=C2- While removing the engine mount, I felt there was too much "p
lay" in the movement of an upper engine mount fitting bolt.=C2- This is p
art 6-F-7-2 in the plans.=C2- =0A=C2-=0AMy upper left fitting was indee
d cracked in=C2-such a way that the side angle was no longer united to th
e front side of the fitting.=C2- There might be more and I will know late
r when I remove the four fittings=C2-to inspect, sand blast and repaint t
hem.=C2- At first glance, the lower fittings appear OK.=0A=C2-=0AThese
are parts I never really inspected when I did my annuals so I don't know if
I have been flying with broken engine mount fittings or not and for how lo
ng.=C2- But I don't like the idea that I did.=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A-------
---------------------=0AMichel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ=0Ahttp://mthobby.p
cperfect.com/ch601=0Ahttp://pages.infinit.net/mthobby=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A
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| Subject: | 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings |
Hi Michel,
Can you post any pictures?
Thank you,
Steve Freeman
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Therrien
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:25 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount
fittings
Hi group!
I had a major unpleasant surprise today when I dismantled my
firewall-forward installation. While removing the engine mount, I felt
there was too much "play" in the movement of an upper engine mount fitting
bolt. This is part 6-F-7-2 in the plans.
My upper left fitting was indeed cracked in such a way that the side angle
was no longer united to the front side of the fitting. There might be more
and I will know later when I remove the four fittings to inspect, sand blast
and repaint them. At first glance, the lower fittings appear OK.
These are parts I never really inspected when I did my annuals so I don't
know if I have been flying with broken engine mount fittings or not and for
how long. But I don't like the idea that I did.
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings |
Right now, not much to take pictures of... I will when I will remove the pa
rts.=0A=0A=0A----------------------------=0AMichel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZG
Q=0Ahttp://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601=0Ahttp://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
=0A=0AFrom: Steve Freeman <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@ma
tronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:33:25 PM=0ASubject: RE: Zenit
h-List: 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings=0A=0A
=0AHi Michel,=0A=0ACan you post any pictures?=0A-=0AThank you,=0ASteve Fr
eeman=0A-=0AFrom:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zen
ith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Therrien=0ASent: Saturda
y, August 13, 2011 8:25 PM=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Zenit
h-List: 601 owners... something to watch for - engine mount fittings=0A-
=0AHi group!- =0A-=0AI had a major unpleasant surprise today when I dis
mantled my firewall-forward installation.- While removing the engine moun
t, I felt there was too much "play" in the movement of an upper engine moun
t fitting bolt.- This is part 6-F-7-2 in the plans.- =0A-=0AMy upper
left fitting was indeed cracked in-such a way that the side angle was no
longer united to the front side of the fitting.- There might be more and
I will know later when I remove the four fittings-to inspect, sand blast
and repaint them.- At first glance, the lower fittings appear OK.=0A-
=0AThese are parts I never really inspected when I did my annuals so I don'
t know if I have been flying with broken engine mount fittings or not and f
or how long.- But I don't like the idea that I did.=0A-=0A-=0A-------
---------------------=0AMichel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ=0Ahttp://mthobby.p
cperfect.com/ch601=0Ahttp://pages.infinit.net/mthobby=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A
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