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1. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material (Michel Therrien)
2. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material (Bill Naumuk)
3. 02:36 PM - Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material (Sabrina)
4. 03:01 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material (mtherr@yahoo.com)
5. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material (Bill Naumuk)
6. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material (JohnDRead@aol.com)
7. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material (Craig Payne)
8. 03:22 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material (Bill Naumuk)
9. 03:28 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material (JohnDRead@aol.com)
10. 03:32 PM - Bearing thickness, final (Bill Naumuk)
11. 03:38 PM - Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material (Sabrina)
12. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material (Craig Payne)
13. 04:46 PM - Re: Bearing thickness, final (Michel Therrien)
14. 04:49 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material (Michel Therrien)
15. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material (Michel Therrien)
16. 05:16 PM - Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material (Sabrina)
17. 05:34 PM - Re: Bearing thickness, final (Sabrina)
18. 05:36 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material (mtherr@yahoo.com)
19. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: Bearing thickness, final (Michel Therrien)
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material |
Thanks all! I received a square foot of the expensive plastic yesterday and i
plan on machining the bearing during the weekend.
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On Oct 6, 2011, at 22:14, "Ron Lendon" <ron.lendon@gmail.com> wrote:
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> WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
> Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material |
On 10/07/2011 09:50 AM, Michel Therrien wrote:
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> Thanks all! I received a square foot of the expensive plastic yesterday and
i plan on machining the bearing during the weekend.
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>> WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
>> Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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I just tuned in to the thread, and I hate to say this, but every
installation I've seen was .5" thick, not 1.5". No wonder the raw
material was so expensive, Mike.
Ron, if your prints call for 1.5", they're wrong. I have Larry
Mac's beefed up (reinforcement ridge on the outboard side) bearings and
I estimate they can be machined out of 3/4" material. I'd say the
factory bearings could be made using a 3x6" piece of 1/2" stock.
Bill
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Zen/Vair 601MG
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material |
6-G-2 08/05
38mm which is 1.496 or so inches thick...
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material |
Oh, ratz! I will mill it down 0.004" before i cut the V groove ;-)
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From: Sabrina
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Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material
Sent: Oct 7, 2011 5:33 PM
6-G-2 08/05
38mm which is 1.496 or so inches thick...
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material |
On 10/07/2011 05:33 PM, Sabrina wrote:
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> 6-G-2 08/05
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How thick is your bearing?
Bill
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Bill Naumuk
Zen/Vair 601MG
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material |
I bet the tolerance on the groove depth is greater than 0.004! Oh! just
turn on the metric on your calipers and make it to the print.
Regards, John
CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
Cell: 719-494-4567
Home: 303-648-3261
In a message dated 10/7/2011 4:02:18 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
mtherr@yahoo.com writes:
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Oh, ratz! I will mill it down 0.004" before i cut the V groove ;-)
Do not archive
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From: Sabrina
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Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material
Sent: Oct 7, 2011 5:33 PM
6-G-2 08/05
38mm which is 1.496 or so inches thick...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354325#354325
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material |
The question is do you want to match the XL dimensions or the ones of the
aluminum parts on the 701. The geometry on the 601XL is definitely beefier.
You can't make it as wide on the 701 because the vertical U channel is
narrower. And the depth of the v-grove is set by the existing parts: nose
gear tube (and its cross tube), distance from the bottom support plate to
the top gear bearing, etc.
On my fourth-hand 701 kit I cut down the 601XL part to fit the specifics of
my plane.
-- Craig
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Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material
Oh, ratz! I will mill it down 0.004" before i cut the V groove ;-)
Do not archive
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From: Sabrina
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ReplyTo: Zenith-list
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material
Sent: Oct 7, 2011 5:33 PM
6-G-2 08/05
38mm which is 1.496 or so inches thick...
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material |
On 10/07/2011 05:58 PM, mtherr@yahoo.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: mtherr@yahoo.com
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> Oh, ratz! I will mill it down 0.004" before i cut the V groove ;-)
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> Do not archive
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> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material
> Sent: Oct 7, 2011 5:33 PM
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Sabrina"<chicago2paris@msn.com>
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> 6-G-2 08/05
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> 38mm which is 1.496 or so inches thick...
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Mike, you have an HD or HDS, don't you? Different set up from the XL,
unless you upgraded. Whatever, best of luck. Check out the pix.
--
Bill Naumuk
Zen/Vair 601MG
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material |
I don't think that the 601 part will fit the 701. I looked at my hangar
buddies 601 and it is quite a lot different than the 701 arrangement. I was
just going to make narrow blocks that fit inside the 701 brackets but are
about 0.030 higher than the angles on the 701 parts.
Regards, John
CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
Cell: 719-494-4567
Home: 303-648-3261
In a message dated 10/7/2011 4:17:49 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
craig@craigandjean.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
The question is do you want to match the XL dimensions or the ones of the
aluminum parts on the 701. The geometry on the 601XL is definitely beefier.
You can't make it as wide on the 701 because the vertical U channel is
narrower. And the depth of the v-grove is set by the existing parts: nose
gear tube (and its cross tube), distance from the bottom support plate to
the top gear bearing, etc.
On my fourth-hand 701 kit I cut down the 601XL part to fit the specifics of
my plane.
-- Craig
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Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material
Oh, ratz! I will mill it down 0.004" before i cut the V groove ;-)
Do not archive
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From: Sabrina
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ReplyTo: Zenith-list
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material
Sent: Oct 7, 2011 5:33 PM
6-G-2 08/05
38mm which is 1.496 or so inches thick...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354325#354325
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| Subject: | Bearing thickness, final |
All-
Whatever flies your kite.
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Bill Naumuk
Zen/Vair 601MG
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material |
Bill,
Nice pictures.
The purpose of the extra height is to provide sufficient surface area for the Nyloil
to generate enough lubrication for our application (as well as provide rudder
centering). Are you using generic nylon that accepts 10+% water or Nyloil
that takes on about 2.5% over its life?
John,
Thanks for reminding me why I am now leaning towards physics as opposed to aeronautics.
(mtherr was joking.)
Sabrina
http://PhysicsGirl.com
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material |
> I don't think that the 601 part will fit the 701.
Well, that's what I did and it works.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Bearing thickness, final |
Bill, I built a CH601HD and I am installing a new engine and making a bunch
of renovations.- One is to put smaller wheels (500X5).- I also inspect
ed the landing gear parts and found quite a bit of rust.. so I sandlasted e
verything and painted the parts.- At the same time, I decided to modify t
he nose wheel assembly to make it like it is on the 601XL...- The Franlki
n engine I'm installing is quite like an O-235; heavy... so I want to beef
up the parts a bit.- I also noticed that the lower nose bearing was weari
ng the landing gear tube... another reason to put the lower bearing that th
e XL has... it is made from a 1.496" (I thought it as 1.5" ;-) (notice the
simley)) piece of Nyloil (thanks to those who provided that info).- Nyloi
l is quite good... it absorb 2.5% of its weight max, tensile strenght of 10
000 psi (UHMPWE is about 1000 psi, 6061-T6 about 42000 psi).- =0A-=0ASo
, I decided to go with that.- =0A=0A----------------------------=0AMichel
Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ=0Ahttp://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601=0Ahttp://pa
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ll Naumuk <naumuk@windstream.net>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: F
riday, October 7, 2011 6:30:05 PM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Bearing thickness
eam.net>=0A=0AAll-=0A- - Whatever flies your kite.=0A=0A-- Bill Naumuk
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material |
Bill, presently, mine is pretty much like yours... but I am upgrading to the XL
design.
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
________________________________
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@windstream.net>
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 6:19:31 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material
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Mike, you have an HD or HDS, don't you? Different set up from the XL,
unless you upgraded. Whatever, best of luck. Check out the pix.
--
Bill Naumuk
Zen/Vair 601MG
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material |
That was a joke... did not-notice the ;-)?=0A-=0AAn inspector told me t
hat a plane is a collection of twisted parts that if well made, can fly str
aight... =0A-=0Ado not archive=0A=0A----------------------------=0AMichel
Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ=0Ahttp://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601=0Ahttp://pa
ges.infinit.net/mthobby=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "J
ohnDRead@aol.com" <JohnDRead@aol.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASen
t: Friday, October 7, 2011 6:07:11 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 X
L bearing bloc material=0A=0A=0AI bet the tolerance on the groove depth is
greater than 0.004! Oh! just turn on the metric on your calipers and make i
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=0ACell: 719-494-4567=0AHome: 303-648-3261 =0A=0AIn a message dated 10/7/20
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th-List message posted by: mtherr@yahoo.com=0A>=0A>Oh, ratz!- I will mill
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material |
Michel,
My flight school in Sarnia, Ontario used to have a 601HD (long before I started
flying there). I was told the generic nylon the original builder used would
take on water and before you knew it, the nose gear/rudder was binding in very
cold weather. I don't know if it was built to original specs or not.
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| Subject: | Re: Bearing thickness, final |
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material |
Certainly not because the original specs mandate only the aluminum plate as a bearing.
One thing i foud in the datasheet for Nyloil is that we must include a clearance
("shaft allowance") to prevent what you mention. Since that bearing does not
really "work", i plan for less allowance than mandated (.003 or .004 instead
of .009). I m sure that with Nylon 6, the clearance would be even more critical.
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Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL bearing bloc material
Michel,
My flight school in Sarnia, Ontario used to have a 601HD (long before I started
flying there). I was told the generic nylon the original builder used would
take on water and before you knew it, the nose gear/rudder was binding in very
cold weather. I don't know if it was built to original specs or not.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354350#354350
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| Subject: | Re: Bearing thickness, final |
Quite a bit more details than i thought... thanks.=0A=0A=0A----------------
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com/ch601=0Ahttp://pages.infinit.net/mthobby=0A=0A=0A______________________
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