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Just think you have installed the upgrade and flown the airplane for a few
years you are the org builder and always did the conditional inspection.
Now you have decided to sell due to health or whatever. The new owner take
s it and has a pre buy inspection. He or She uses a A&P for this and the gu
y is pretty knowledgable
he discovers that some little part has been omitted. Next thing he might d
o is deem the aircraft un-airworthy due this omission
P
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From: Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct 27, 2011 6:12 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SAIB
I agree with you on this one Steve.
In addition, there just isn't any way the FAA can compel experimental aircr
aft owners to do anything to their airplanes. That is the nature of experi
mental aircraft.
In my case, there is no entry of any sort in my log books regarding the SAI
B. My plane was not certified until after the upgrade was installed. So,
there is no maintenance or operating limitation impact of the SAIB on my pl
ane.
It doesn't make a lot of sense to get into silly arguments over the paperwo
rk involved in the upgrade issue. I agree completely that each owner shoul
d "Essentially" install the upgrade in their plane. This doesn't mean comp
liance of every rivet and bolt to the upgrade drawings. It does mean balan
cing the ailerons, installing the reinforcements for the spars and spar car
ry through, and other features relating to the airframe strength. Just lik
e everything else in this endeavor, I would expect each plane to be a littl
e bit different from the rest of the fleet both before and after the upgrad
e is installed.
The only real mistake I think will be made by a significant number of Zodia
c owners is to decide not to install the upgrade at all. This is not an op
tion for planes not already certified when the SAIB was issued since the FA
A refused to inspect and certify any planes without the upgrade after that
point.
Paul
Camas, WA
On 10/27/2011 2:27 PM, Steve Freeman wrote:
To me the operant words below are =9Crecommend compliance=9C a
nd =9Crecommend the following.=9C
The wording does not compel compliance with phrasing such as =9CSHALL
COMPLY.=9D This is a subtle but very important distinction in legal
documents.
I am not an attorney so do not rely on my interpretation but this is how I
view it. Any attorneys want to chime in?
=9CThe Code of Federal Regulation rather explicitly states how mainte
nance records are to be kept. =9D
Forgive me, but the paragraph you have highlighted for review does not stat
e anything about documentation or log book entries. Please correct me if I
am wrong.
"For amateur-built and E-LSA owners and operators: Due to shared design cha
racteristics that amateur-build and E-LSA aircraft have with S-LSA, we stro
ngly recommend compliance with the drawings and instructions contained in t
he AMD Safety Directive/Safety Alert and recommend the following: =A2
Obtain and install the kit manufacturer=99s structural modification
kit. The modification kit addresses the structural design changes and opera
ting limitations required to meet a safe condition for operation. Contact t
he kit manufacturer with any modifications already incorporated to correct
the identified unsafe condition to validate safety-of-flight issues
For the record I think a person is a fool if they don=99t do the upgr
ade but there is nothing in Roger=99s post to indicate any builder is
compelled by statute or regulation to do so.
Steve
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of roger lambert
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 1:47 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: SAIB
The Code of Federal Regulation rather explicitly states how maintenance rec
ords are to be kept.
A review of the SAIB clearly states:
"For amateur-built and E-LSA owners and operators: Due to shared design cha
racteristics that
amateur-build and E-LSA aircraft have with S-LSA, we strongly recommend com
pliance with the
drawings and instructions contained in the AMD Safety Directive/Safety Aler
t and recommend
the following: =A2
Obtain and install the kit manufacturer=99s
structural modification kit. The modification kit addresses the structural
design changes and operating limitations required to meet a safe condition
for operation. Contact the kit manufacturer with any modifications already
incorporated to correct the identified unsafe condition to validate safety-
of-flight issues
Therefore, if you have not obtained and installed the kit manufacturer's st
ructural modification kit or obtained some waiver from AMD or the kit manuf
acturer or perhaps obtained an equivalency evaluation from some FAA designa
ted personnel and placed such documentation within your logbook, you may ha
ve violated the FAR's maintenance records requirements and potentially subj
ected yourself to sanction by the FAA, which you have provided the evidence
for by identifyng noncompliance in the public record. For those of you wit
h faint hearing, those scratching sounds in the background are the hands o
f people amending their logbooks to state they complied with the SAIB with
now noted exceptions.
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Roger, as long as it's registered as an A-AB, builders are free to make
any alterations they want. I'd agree with them as long as the changes
they made weren't too radical, and frankly, the addition of the stick
stop really only helps the two-stick, cabled aileron system, and then
only for pilots who like to imitate King Kong with the stick.
Paul R
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From: roger lambert<mailto:n601ap@gmail.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 8:25 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: SAIB
Isn't it interesting how so many of the people who demanded the
redesign of so many components of the 601xl now feel free to disregard,
delete or change the same redesign they so stridently sought. One can
only wonder how(if) they have indicated compliance with the SAIB and
understand the consequences of making that entry into their logbooks.
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