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1. 07:23 AM - Re: Control Balance (Cont.) (DaveG601XL)
2. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Control Balance (Cont.) (Steve Freeman)
3. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: Control Balance (Cont.) (Paul Mulwitz)
4. 05:12 PM - Aileron bell crank upgrade (Chris Sinfield)
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| Subject: | Re: Control Balance (Cont.) |
William,
Thanks for pointing out my omission. I have the flex, or hingeless ailerons.
This is the worse case that would benefit the most from the new bellcrank.
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David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project under construction: Aircamper
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Control Balance (Cont.) |
Good Morning guys...
It has been a long time since I have flown left seat in a 601 product but I
have many hours right seat in a HDS. In the 601HDS the aileron (hingeless)
control is incredibly responsive. Almost too sensitive. I can't imagine a
need to make it more responsive. I am currently building a 650 and will be
starting the wings soon. Does the 601XL/650 have different characteristics
in this respect? I know ZAC changed things up some but having already an HDS
myself I don't see anything that would cause dramatic change. Of all of the
little tweaks and changes me and my friend Don have discussed over the years
none of them have had anything to do with aileron sensitivity. This is one
area that seems to need no improvement...at least on the HDS product.
Steve
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Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:22 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Control Balance (Cont.)
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William,
Thanks for pointing out my omission. I have the flex, or hingeless
ailerons. This is the worse case that would benefit the most from the new
bellcrank.
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David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project under construction: Aircamper
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370283#370283
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| Subject: | Re: Control Balance (Cont.) |
Hi Steve,
I haven't noticed any issue lately with aileron response on my Zodiac
XL. I did notice it was a bit stiff on the demonstrator - my first time
in the model - many years ago.
My style of flying doesn't really pay any attention to how much force I
must use to get the attitude changes I want. I would only notice a lack
of "Harmony" if I had difficulty getting the plane to respond.
The XL is quite sensitive in pitch. This may be a result of the very
light weight and high speeds. Elevator trim is also very sensitive and
stability is very low. That means setting the trim doesn't prevent
rather large changes in airspeed with turbulence or just mean spiritedness.
All that said, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to have the aileron response
on the XL improved a bit. It has much smaller ailerons than the other
Zodiacs. If I am not mistaken, only the XL has flaps which take up a
considerable length of the wing length.
Paul
Camas, WA
On 4/8/2012 7:57 AM, Steve Freeman wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Freeman"<steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
>
> Good Morning guys...
>
> It has been a long time since I have flown left seat in a 601 product but I
> have many hours right seat in a HDS. In the 601HDS the aileron (hingeless)
> control is incredibly responsive. Almost too sensitive. I can't imagine a
> need to make it more responsive. I am currently building a 650 and will be
> starting the wings soon. Does the 601XL/650 have different characteristics
> in this respect? I know ZAC changed things up some but having already an HDS
> myself I don't see anything that would cause dramatic change. Of all of the
> little tweaks and changes me and my friend Don have discussed over the years
> none of them have had anything to do with aileron sensitivity. This is one
> area that seems to need no improvement...at least on the HDS product.
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:22 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Control Balance (Cont.)
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "DaveG601XL"
> --> <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
>
> William,
>
> Thanks for pointing out my omission. I have the flex, or hingeless
> ailerons. This is the worse case that would benefit the most from the new
> bellcrank.
>
> --------
> David Gallagher
> Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
> Next project under construction: Aircamper
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370283#370283
>
>
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| Subject: | Aileron bell crank upgrade |
Where can we get the sizes so we can now do this mod to the aileron system?
I cannot see it in the z mods for the wings?
Chris
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> 1. 05:23 PM - Control Balance (Cont.) (DaveG601XL)
> 2. 08:01 PM - Re: Control Balance (Cont.) (William Dominguez)
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> Time: 05:23:53 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Control Balance (Cont.)
> From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
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>
> Guys,
>
> I changed my mind. A few weeks back there was the thread about the new aileron
> bellcrank introduced by Zenith for the 601XL/650. The intent was to better balance
> heavy aileron forces with the much lighter elevator forces. If you recall,
> I stated that I decided not to incorporate the change in my 601XL. At Sun-N-Fun
> I spoke to Caleb about the control stick forces in general by the end
> of our discussion, I decided I would try the new bellcrank. I could have made
> the new part myself, but I decided to be lazy and I bought them from Zenith (P/N
> 6W10-1/1). The new bellcrank has a shorter distance from the pivot point
> to the aileron push rod.
>
> The replacement took me about two hours and a few drops of blood. Working up
in
> the access hole was a pain, but the job was not too difficult. When I completed
> the swap, I did not even have to re-size the length of the push rod to the
> aileron.
>
> After securing everything and ensuring control system continuity, I went up for
> a short flight. I was quite pleased with the new aileron response. All I wanted
> to do was rock the wings because it is so much easier to move the ailerons.
> Based on my experience, I now endorse the new bellcrank. Here are a few
> pictures:
>
> --------
> David Gallagher
> Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
> Next project under construction: Aircamper
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370255#370255
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> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
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> Time: 08:01:22 PM PST US
> From: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Control Balance (Cont.)
>
> David,=0A=0ADo you have hinged or hinge-less ailerons?=0A=0AWilliam Domingu
> ez=0AZodiac 601XLP Plans=0AMiami Florida=0Ahttp://sites.google.com/site/bil
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> .m.gallagher@ge.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, Apr
> il 7, 2012 8:22 PM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Control Balance (Cont.)=0A =0A--
> =0AGuys,=0A=0AI changed my mind.- A few weeks back there was the thread a
> bout the new aileron bellcrank introduced by Zenith for the 601XL/650.- T
> he intent was to better balance heavy aileron forces with the much lighter
> elevator forces.- If you recall, I stated that I decided not to incorpora
> te the change in my 601XL.- At Sun-N-Fun I spoke to Caleb about the contr
> ol stick forces in general by the end of our discussion, I decided I would
> try the new bellcrank.- I could have made the new part myself, but I deci
> ded to be lazy and I bought them from Zenith (P/N 6W10-1/1).- The new bel
> lcrank has a shorter distance from the pivot point to the aileron push rod.
> =0A=0AThe replacement took me about two hours and a few drops of blood.-
> Working up in the access hole was a pain, but the job was not too difficult
> .- When I completed the swap, I did not even have to re-size the length o
> f the push rod to the aileron.- =0A=0AAfter securing everything and ensur
> ing control system continuity, I went up for a short flight.- I was quite
> pleased with the new aileron response.- All I wanted to do was rock the
> wings because it is so much easier to move the ailerons.- Based on my exp
> erience, I now endorse the new bellcrank.- Here are a few pictures:=0A
> =0A--------=0ADavid Gallagher=0AZodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now=0AN
> ext project under construction: Aircamper=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onl
> ine here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370255#370255
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