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1. 06:36 AM - Re: Re: Control Balance (Cont.) (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
2. 07:45 AM - Re: Re: Control Balance (Cont.) (Ronald Steele)
3. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Control Balance (Cont.) (Gary Ray)
4. 04:47 PM - Ch601XL POH (Bob Haring)
5. 04:53 PM - Re: Ch601XL POH (Jay Bannister)
6. 05:02 PM - Re: Ch601XL POH (Bob Haring)
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Subject: | Re: Control Balance (Cont.) |
It seems to me they did this because the left to right stick movement was
drastically reduced after the upgrade and this seems like it would give some
of that back but it also seems like you lose leverage by moving the hole
closer to the pivot point.
In a message dated 4/8/2012 11:58:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
psm@att.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net>
Hi Steve,
I haven't noticed any issue lately with aileron response on my Zodiac
XL. I did notice it was a bit stiff on the demonstrator - my first time
in the model - many years ago.
My style of flying doesn't really pay any attention to how much force I
must use to get the attitude changes I want. I would only notice a lack
of "Harmony" if I had difficulty getting the plane to respond.
The XL is quite sensitive in pitch. This may be a result of the very
light weight and high speeds. Elevator trim is also very sensitive and
stability is very low. That means setting the trim doesn't prevent
rather large changes in airspeed with turbulence or just mean
spiritedness.
All that said, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to have the aileron response
on the XL improved a bit. It has much smaller ailerons than the other
Zodiacs. If I am not mistaken, only the XL has flaps which take up a
considerable length of the wing length.
Paul
Camas, WA
On 4/8/2012 7:57 AM, Steve Freeman wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve
Freeman"<steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
>
> Good Morning guys...
>
> It has been a long time since I have flown left seat in a 601 product
but I
> have many hours right seat in a HDS. In the 601HDS the aileron
(hingeless)
> control is incredibly responsive. Almost too sensitive. I can't
imagine a
> need to make it more responsive. I am currently building a 650 and will
be
> starting the wings soon. Does the 601XL/650 have different
characteristics
> in this respect? I know ZAC changed things up some but having already an
HDS
> myself I don't see anything that would cause dramatic change. Of all of
the
> little tweaks and changes me and my friend Don have discussed over the
years
> none of them have had anything to do with aileron sensitivity. This is
one
> area that seems to need no improvement...at least on the HDS product.
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:22 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Control Balance (Cont.)
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "DaveG601XL"
> --> <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
>
> William,
>
> Thanks for pointing out my omission. I have the flex, or hingeless
> ailerons. This is the worse case that would benefit the most from the
new
> bellcrank.
>
> --------
> David Gallagher
> Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
> Next project under construction: Aircamper
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370283#370283
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Control Balance (Cont.) |
Moving the hole closer to the pivot increases leverage; more stick
movement per degree of aileron deflection equals more leverage.
To be redundant. the changes to the control horn should a: require more
stick movement for the same amount of aileron deflection, b: decrease
the amount of force required to move the stick.
To be doubly redundant.
So if you like or require less left/right stick movement with higher
forces required, don't make the change. If you think you are working
too hard moving the stick left/right and you have clearance on all parts
of the system, then this change makes good sense.
Ron
On Apr 10, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Afterfxllc@aol.com wrote:
> It seems to me they did this because the left to right stick movement
was drastically reduced after the upgrade and this seems like it would
give some of that back but it also seems like you lose leverage by
moving the hole closer to the pivot point.
>
> In a message dated 4/8/2012 11:58:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
psm@att.net writes:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I haven't noticed any issue lately with aileron response on my Zodiac
> XL. I did notice it was a bit stiff on the demonstrator - my first
time
> in the model - many years ago.
>
> My style of flying doesn't really pay any attention to how much force
I
> must use to get the attitude changes I want. I would only notice a
lack
> of "Harmony" if I had difficulty getting the plane to respond.
>
> The XL is quite sensitive in pitch. This may be a result of the very
> light weight and high speeds. Elevator trim is also very sensitive
and
> stability is very low. That means setting the trim doesn't prevent
> rather large changes in airspeed with turbulence or just mean
spiritedness.
>
> All that said, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to have the aileron response
> on the XL improved a bit. It has much smaller ailerons than the other
> Zodiacs. If I am not mistaken, only the XL has flaps which take up a
> considerable length of the wing length.
>
> Paul
> Camas, WA
>
> On 4/8/2012 7:57 AM, Steve Freeman wrote:
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve
Freeman"<steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
> >
> > Good Morning guys...
> >
> > It has been a long time since I have flown left seat in a 601
product but I
> > have many hours right seat in a HDS. In the 601HDS the aileron
(hingeless)
> > control is incredibly responsive. Almost too sensitive. I can't
imagine a
> > need to make it more responsive. I am currently building a 650 and
will be
> > starting the wings soon. Does the 601XL/650 have different
characteristics
> > in this respect? I know ZAC changed things up some but having
already an HDS
> > myself I don't see anything that would cause dramatic change. Of
all of the
> > little tweaks and changes me and my friend Don have discussed over
the years
> > none of them have had anything to do with aileron sensitivity. This
is one
> > area that seems to need no improvement...at least on the HDS
product.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DaveG601XL
> > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:22 AM
> > To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Control Balance (Cont.)
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "DaveG601XL"
> > --> <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
> >
> > William,
> >
> > Thanks for pointing out my omission. I have the flex, or hingeless
> > ailerons. This is the worse case that would benefit the most from
the new
> > bellcrank.
> >
> > --------
> > David Gallagher
> > Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
> > Next project under construction: Aircamper
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370283#370283
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Control Balance (Cont.) |
Can you be more specific about your left to right drastically reduced
stick movement. I have a 601XL-B finished and flying. I do not have
any reduction in the left to right control stick movement.
Mostly I noticed some additional inertia in the ailerons due to the
increase in mass from balancing the control. Otherwise it flies the
same.
Gary Ray
From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Control Balance (Cont.)
It seems to me they did this because the left to right stick movement
was drastically reduced after the upgrade and this seems like it would
give some of that back but it also seems like you lose leverage by
moving the hole closer to the pivot point.
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After to m
any years of building, my project (CH601xl N107RW) is about done. If there
is anyone out
there that has a downloadable POH I would appreciate a reply.It sure would
save re-inventing the wheel.Thanks.
Bob Haring,Niagara Falls,NY
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Bob, It would be helpful to know what engine you have; since a very large
part of any POH deals with and is specific to a particular engine.
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Haring <zman601xl@aol.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 6:49 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Ch601XL POH
After to m
any years of building, my project (CH601xl N107RW) is about done. If there
is anyone out
there that has a downloadable POH I would appreciate a reply.It sure would
save re-inventing the wheel.Thanks.
Bob Haring,Niagara Falls,NY
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Jay,
My engine is the Jab 3300
Bob
zman601xl@aol.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Bannister <jaybannist@cs.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 6:53 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ch601XL POH
Bob, It would be helpful to know what engine you have; since a very large
part of any POH deals with and is specific to a particular engine.
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Haring <zman601xl@aol.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 6:49 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Ch601XL POH
After to m
any years of building, my project (CH601xl N107RW) is about done. If there
is anyone out
there that has a downloadable POH I would appreciate a reply.It sure would
save re-inventing the wheel.Thanks.
Bob Haring,Niagara Falls,NY
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