---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/07/12: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:22 AM - L-Angle Part No? (pilot4pay) 2. 10:39 AM - Re: L-Angle Part No? (Paul Mulwitz) 3. 10:44 AM - Re: L-Angle Part No? (Keith Ashcraft) 4. 10:50 AM - Re: L-Angle Part No? (Craig Payne) 5. 10:54 AM - Re: L-Angle Part No? (Phil Maxson) 6. 10:58 AM - Re: L-Angle Part No? (Carlos Sa) 7. 11:06 AM - Re: L-Angle Part No? (Jay Bannister) 8. 11:19 AM - Re: L-Angle Part No? (Jon Croke) 9. 11:34 AM - Re: L-Angle Part No? (Steven Freeeman) 10. 12:11 PM - Re: L-Angle Part No? (Malcolm Hunt) 11. 03:09 PM - Re: L-Angle Part No? (JohnDRead@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:03 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: L-Angle Part No? From: "pilot4pay" Do any Zenith builders know a part no. for an L-angle .040t and 19mmx19mm? I was hoping that I could get a part that corresponds to a 601/650, 701/750. or 801. I'm building a 640, but to order parts from Canada I pay three times the cost of the parts in shipping. If I can get a drawing no from a locally built kit, I can order from the good ol USA, and not pay an arm and a leg for shipping. Called Zenith and the old lady says she knows only one l angle and it's .025 thick. She wasn't going to lift a finger to look any further. I'm sure that there's more than one kind of angle in the other kits, just don't have a set of plans to look it up. Thanks in advance. -------- Craig Smith CH640 builder SN: 0078 "Just think how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider!" --George Carlin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380297#380297 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:49 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: L-Angle Part No? Hi Craig, I agree with the response you got from Zenith. All the "L" parts on my CH601XL are .025 thick. You should be able to get a local sheet metal shop to bend some metal for you. The details that are important are the alloy (6061-t6) and the bend radius (probably 1/8"). Good luck, Paul Camas, WA On 8/7/2012 10:19 AM, pilot4pay wrote: > > Do any Zenith builders know a part no. for an L-angle .040t and 19mmx19mm? > I was hoping that I could get a part that corresponds to a 601/650, 701/750. or 801. > I'm building a 640, but to order parts from Canada I pay three times the cost of the parts in shipping. If I can get a drawing no from a locally built kit, I can order from the good ol USA, and not pay an arm and a leg for shipping. Called Zenith and the old lady says she knows only one l angle and it's .025 thick. She wasn't going to lift a finger to look any further. I'm sure that there's more than one kind of angle in the other kits, just don't have a set of plans to look it up. > Thanks in advance. > > -------- > Craig Smith > CH640 builder > SN: 0078 > > "Just think how stupid the average person is, > and then realize that half of them are even stupider!" > --George Carlin > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380297#380297 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:21 AM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Re: Zenith-List: L-Angle Part No? For the 701, they are just a standard "L", no real part number, but they ar e the 0.025" thick parts. Without making some yourself, you might have rely on calling Zenith again. Did you call Zenair or Zenithair? =0AZenair.com i s in Canada and Zenithair.com is in Missouri.=0A=0AKeith=0ACH701 - scratch =0A=0A=0A****************************************************************** ***************************=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: pilot4pay =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.co m =0ASent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:19 AM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: L-Angle t@sbcglobal.net>=0A=0ADo any Zenith builders know a part no. for an L-angle .040t and 19mmx19mm?=0AI was hoping that I could get a part that correspon ds to a 601/650, 701/750. or 801.=0AI'm building a 640, but to order parts from Canada I pay three times the cost of the parts in shipping. If I can g et a drawing no from a locally built kit, I can order from the good ol USA, and not pay an arm and a leg for shipping. Called Zenith and the old lady says she knows only one l angle and it's .025 thick. She wasn't going to li ft a finger to look any further. I'm sure that there's more than one kind o f angle in the other kits, just don't have a set of plans to look it up.=0A Thanks in advance.=0A=0A--------=0ACraig Smith=0ACH640 builder=0ASN: 0078 =0A=0A"Just think how stupid the average person is,=0Aand then realize that half of them are even stupider!"=0A--George Carlin=0A=0A=0A=0A =0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic. - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:09 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: L-Angle Part No? I don't know of a 0.040 L in the 601 or 701. FWIW I bend my own 0.025 standard L's is a simple wooden press brake. The same technique should work for 0.040. I wrote an article on this for the Zenith newsletter in 2009. If you are interested I can e-mail you the text and photos. -- Craig Payne -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilot4pay Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 10:19 AM Subject: Zenith-List: L-Angle Part No? --> Do any Zenith builders know a part no. for an L-angle .040t and 19mmx19mm? I was hoping that I could get a part that corresponds to a 601/650, 701/750. or 801. I'm building a 640, but to order parts from Canada I pay three times the cost of the parts in shipping. If I can get a drawing no from a locally built kit, I can order from the good ol USA, and not pay an arm and a leg for shipping. Called Zenith and the old lady says she knows only one l angle and it's .025 thick. She wasn't going to lift a finger to look any further. I'm sure that there's more than one kind of angle in the other kits, just don't have a set of plans to look it up. Thanks in advance. -------- Craig Smith CH640 builder SN: 0078 "Just think how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider!" --George Carlin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380297#380297 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:04 AM PST US From: "Phil Maxson " Subject: Re: Zenith-List: L-Angle Part No? The specs for the L-angles are specified in some of the up-front documentation, (builders general instructions) and when I received them the only part number on the label was "L Angle". This is from memory. Phil Maxson 601XLB/Corvair ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:24 AM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: L-Angle Part No? Craig, the "generic" L angles do not have part numbers, they are simply marked "L" in the plans and they are 0.025" thick. Is there any other clue you can provide so people can try to locate your particular L angle in the plans? For instance, is it in the wings, fuse, tail feathers? You could also try to talk to (or email) Caleb. Good luck Carlos CH601-HD, plans On 7 August 2012 13:19, pilot4pay wrote: > > > > Do any Zenith builders know a part no. for an L-angle .040t and 19mmx19mm? > I was hoping that I could get a part that corresponds to a 601/650, > 701/750. or 801. > I'm building a 640, but to order parts from Canada I pay three times the > cost of the parts in shipping. If I can get a drawing no from a locally > built kit, I can order from the good ol USA, and not pay an arm and a leg > for shipping. Called Zenith and the old lady says she knows only one l > angle and it's .025 thick. She wasn't going to lift a finger to look any > further. I'm sure that there's more than one kind of angle in the other > kits, just don't have a set of plans to look it up. > Thanks in advance. > > -------- > Craig Smith > CH640 builder > SN: 0078 > > "Just think how stupid the average person is, > and then realize that half of them are even stupider!" > --George Carlin > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: L-Angle Part No? From: Jay Bannister Did you not use part number 6B2-1 or 6B2-2 ? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mulwitz Sent: Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:41 pm Subject: Re: Zenith-List: L-Angle Part No? Hi Craig, I agree with the response you got from Zenith. All the "L" parts on my CH601XL are .025 thick. You should be able to get a local sheet metal shop to bend some metal for you. The details that are important are the alloy (6061-t6) and the bend radius (probably 1/8"). Good luck, Paul Camas, WA On 8/7/2012 10:19 AM, pilot4pay wrote: t> > > Do any Zenith builders know a part no. for an L-angle .040t and 19mmx19mm ? > I was hoping that I could get a part that corresponds to a 601/650, 701/7 50. or 801. > I'm building a 640, but to order parts from Canada I pay three times the cost of the parts in shipping. If I can get a drawing no from a locally built ki t, I can order from the good ol USA, and not pay an arm and a leg for shipping. Called Zenith and the old lady says she knows only one l angle and it's .02 5 thick. She wasn't going to lift a finger to look any further. I'm sure that there's more than one kind of angle in the other kits, just don't have a se t of plans to look it up. > Thanks in advance. > > -------- > Craig Smith > CH640 builder > SN: 0078 > > "Just think how stupid the average person is, > and then realize that half of them are even stupider!" > --George Carlin > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380297#380297 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:55 AM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: L-Angle Part No? If you don't mind 20 X 22 X .040 then use: 7F3-1 That is the 701 Fuselage longeron Jon -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilot4pay Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 12:19 PM Subject: Zenith-List: L-Angle Part No? --> Do any Zenith builders know a part no. for an L-angle .040t and 19mmx19mm? I was hoping that I could get a part that corresponds to a 601/650, 701/750. or 801. I'm building a 640, but to order parts from Canada I pay three times the cost of the parts in shipping. If I can get a drawing no from a locally built kit, I can order from the good ol USA, and not pay an arm and a leg for shipping. Called Zenith and the old lady says she knows only one l angle and it's .025 thick. She wasn't going to lift a finger to look any further. I'm sure that there's more than one kind of angle in the other kits, just don't have a set of plans to look it up. Thanks in advance. -------- Craig Smith CH640 builder SN: 0078 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:19 AM PST US From: "Steven Freeeman" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: L-Angle Part No? Rear Top Longeron 6-B-2 -1 on the 650 plans is .040 material bent to 90 degrees. it is 1,970 mm long with 20mm flanges. If the extra 3mm on the flanges is not a problem this would be a good fit. 6-B-2-2 is the same thin but only 200mm long. Any angle that is not a standard .025 "L" angle with 20mm flanges will have a specific part number as it is not an "L" angle. A .040 angle would be tough to make on your own if you don't have a good brake. Steve PS Shirley is a piece of work sometimes! -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilot4pay Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 10:19 AM Subject: Zenith-List: L-Angle Part No? --> Do any Zenith builders know a part no. for an L-angle .040t and 19mmx19mm? I was hoping that I could get a part that corresponds to a 601/650, 701/750. or 801. I'm building a 640, but to order parts from Canada I pay three times the cost of the parts in shipping. If I can get a drawing no from a locally built kit, I can order from the good ol USA, and not pay an arm and a leg for shipping. Called Zenith and the old lady says she knows only one l angle and it's .025 thick. She wasn't going to lift a finger to look any further. I'm sure that there's more than one kind of angle in the other kits, just don't have a set of plans to look it up. Thanks in advance. -------- Craig Smith CH640 builder SN: 0078 "Just think how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider!" --George Carlin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380297#380297 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:07 PM PST US From: "Malcolm Hunt" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: L-Angle Part No? Craig Had a look at the CH601XL, CH701SP and CH750 plans and no standard angles in 0.040" material is called; up the following parts are in 0.040" and all have .125" root radius. On the 601XL the rear Longerons (6B2-1) have 22 x 22 legs, the firewall stiffeners 6B6-3 have 22 x 40 legs and the seat panel angle (6B16-5) have 20 x 20 legs. On the 701SP the Longerons (7F3-1) have 20 x 22 legs, top angle stiffener to firewall (7F7-7SP) both legs 20 as are those to the corner angle (7F9-9SP) to the fuselage. On the CH750 the horizontal stabilizer(75T2-1) uses 19x19 with the Cabin corner angle (75F7-8) 20 x 20 So there you have it, no standards dimensions. Are you certain that the legs you require are 19 x 19? If so it would be a simple job to fold some up. If you are still uncertain suggest you e-mail Caleb Gerbhardt at Zenithair, he is always very helpful but may take some days to respond as I think he likes to keep busy! Best Regards Malcolm Hunt Plans builder from England -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilot4pay Sent: 07 August 2012 18:19 Subject: Zenith-List: L-Angle Part No? --> Do any Zenith builders know a part no. for an L-angle .040t and 19mmx19mm? I was hoping that I could get a part that corresponds to a 601/650, 701/750. or 801. I'm building a 640, but to order parts from Canada I pay three times the cost of the parts in shipping. If I can get a drawing no from a locally built kit, I can order from the good ol USA, and not pay an arm and a leg for shipping. Called Zenith and the old lady says she knows only one l angle and it's .025 thick. She wasn't going to lift a finger to look any further. I'm sure that there's more than one kind of angle in the other kits, just don't have a set of plans to look it up. Thanks in advance. -------- Craig Smith CH640 builder SN: 0078 "Just think how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider!" --George Carlin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380297#380297 __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7364 (20120807) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:25 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: L-Angle Part No? If your attitude was better the "old Lady" would have given you all the help you need!! If you have a legal set of plans the size of the "L" will be on the plans. 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