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0. 12:11 AM - What's Your Contribution Used For? (Matt Dralle)
1. 06:06 AM - Corvair (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net)
2. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: Anyone have experience proping a Corvair? (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
3. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: Anyone have experience proping a Corvair? (Steve Freeman (SDS))
4. 05:49 PM - firewall fitting - another question (Carlos Sa)
5. 06:15 PM - Re: firewall fitting - another question (Steve Freeman (SDS))
6. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: Anyone have experience proping a Corvair? (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
7. 07:00 PM - Re: upper engine fittings (Ron Lendon)
8. 07:12 PM - Re: Re: upper engine fittings (Carlos Sa)
9. 08:46 PM - Re: upper engine fittings (Ron Lendon)
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John
The guy in the hangar next to mine has a Pietenpol with a Corvair engine. It is
over 30 yrs. old. I have propped it many times. It does not have a starter. It
uses the old battery ignition and distributor.
We prime it on the first start of the day about 4 shots. Pull it through 3 blades
with ignition off ( treat it likes it's hot ).
Make it hot and it usually starts on the first blade. On a cold day 40 ~ 55 you
may have to repeat this process. Prime again let it sit for 15 ~ 20 seconds to
let the fuel vaporize and it will start and continue to run. He is using an
updraft carburetor It is cold natured so he has to let it warm up before applying
full power. Once warmed up it will start on the first or second blade the
rest of the day.
Bobby
Jacksonville Fl.
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone have experience proping a Corvair? |
Steve I stand corrected .... I don't know where I heard it or dreamed it
but after reading a bit I found you can hand prop a Corvair but have never
had the need or desire to do so. As you know you can hand prop a Lycoming but
not with fuel injection.....LOL I thought once of building a motor like
they use on model airplanes to start them from the spinner but quickly came
back to reality....
In a message dated 11/12/2012 12:26:46 A.M. Central Standard Time,
steve.freeman@syntaxds.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Freeman (SDS)"
<steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
This is why this list can be so darn frustrating sometimes.
Question from list = " Does anyone have experience propping a Corvair?"
One responder says...
" Short answer.... you can't prop a corvair"
Another responder says...
"Many Corvair-powered planes are hand propped."
On a different topic but still to my point - the other day someone tells
me in response to my question...
"Not trying to be a smartass but have you tried measuring it? "
The answer to the above is "yes" but I thought someone who had "been
there done that" might have a quick answer. So effing sue me.
Lycoming ultimately gave me the answer I needed. Their customer support
was awesome.
I have always done my best to provide useful answers when I had them
(have I been able to help you Carl?) but most of the time I don't answer
(or will only answer in private so no value to the full list) because I
don't want to get contradicted by another person's answer or flamed as
shown above. No one likes to be made to look like an idiot in public.
In the "propping" example only one of the answers can be correct. How
is anyone supposed to take any value from two such opposing statements?
The only prudent thing a person can then do is find independent
validation. Even though that is a prudent thing to do no matter what,
it certainly was not the point of the original question.
The best advice I can offer is to find a group of friends or other
builders whom you can trust to provide valuable information and only use
the list as a fallback.
There are also some great vendors out there who will really go the extra
mile and help with questions you might have. A couple that come to mind
right away are:
For excellent custom fuel and brake hoses >>>
steve@aircraftspecialty.com
For excellent products and help with wiring your Panel >>>
http://www.compositedesigninc.com/
Custom Grips for your control stick (and other cool stuff for your
project) >>> http://www.mrrace.com/
Custom Exhaust System >>> clinton@customaircraft.com
Build safe everyone.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D L
Josephson
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:20 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Anyone have experience proping a Corvair?
Many Corvair-powered planes are hand propped. See the Pietenpol list on
this server or the WW manual. You still need a battery to run the
ignition but hand propping is not a problem.
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone have experience proping a Corvair? |
<< Afterfxllc@aol.com >> Is this Jeff?
Anyway...
Thanks for clearing this up. That should put the propping a Corvair
issue to rest but does not resolve the underlying challenge we all run
into.
As I go through my second build I constantly run across questions I am
not qualified to answer because I am not an A&P, trained aircraft
designer or assembler. Anyone who thinks they are just 'cuz they
successfully completed a project and the FAA gives them a Cert for their
airframe, engine and they know how to twist a few wrenches might one day
find themself in a very challenging situation. There are some pretty
dangerous personality types out there. I think we are all fortunate in
that most of us take this very seriously. In all of the people I have
met and homebuilt's I have since starting my first build in 1998 there
are only two planes I would not have flown in as a passenger or pilot.
But I digress.
I do my best to build safely. When I run across issues I am not certain
on I will take advice from fellow builders and if it is a safety related
issue I will run it by a licensed A&P. If I do not get concurrence I
will ask what I need to do to correct the issue. I have not found ZAC
to be a great resource in that they will only answer questions directly
relating to the product. If you have tweaked anything you will be very
lucky to get anything other than a vague reply. I don't know about you
other guys but I am not willing to bet my life on some of the responses
I have gotten from them. And I can't really blame ZAC for this. They
are not in our hangars to see some of the crazy shit we have all done.
Regardless...I wish I could figure out a way to make money doing this
because I love building these projects so much. I wish I could be in
the hangar right now instead of my office.
I hope you all have a great Thanksgiving and please build and fly safe.
Steve
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Afterfxllc@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Anyone have experience proping a Corvair?
Steve I stand corrected .... I don't know where I heard it or dreamed it
but after reading a bit I found you can hand prop a Corvair but have
never had the need or desire to do so. As you know you can hand prop a
Lycoming but not with fuel injection.....LOL I thought once of building
a motor like they use on model airplanes to start them from the spinner
but quickly came back to reality....
In a message dated 11/12/2012 12:26:46 A.M. Central Standard Time,
steve.freeman@syntaxds.com writes:
<steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
This is why this list can be so darn frustrating sometimes.
Question from list = " Does anyone have experience propping a
Corvair?"
One responder says...
" Short answer.... you can't prop a corvair"
Another responder says...
"Many Corvair-powered planes are hand propped."
On a different topic but still to my point - the other day
someone tells
me in response to my question...
"Not trying to be a smartass but have you tried measuring
it? "
The answer to the above is "yes" but I thought someone who had
"been
there done that" might have a quick answer. So effing sue me.
Lycoming ultimately gave me the answer I needed. Their customer
support
was awesome.
I have always done my best to provide useful answers when I had
them
(have I been able to help you Carl?) but most of the time I
don't answer
(or will only answer in private so no value to the full list)
because I
don't want to get contradicted by another person's answer or
flamed as
shown above. No one likes to be made to look like an idiot in
public.
In the "propping" example only one of the answers can be
correct. How
is anyone supposed to take any value from two such opposing
statements?
The only prudent thing a person can then do is find independent
validation. Even though that is a prudent thing to do no matter
what,
it certainly was not the point of the original question.
The best advice I can offer is to find a group of friends or
other
builders whom you can trust to provide valuable information and
only use
the list as a fallback.
There are also some great vendors out there who will really go
the extra
mile and help with questions you might have. A couple that come
to mind
right away are:
For excellent custom fuel and brake hoses >>>
steve@aircraftspecialty.com
For excellent products and help with wiring your Panel >>>
http://www.compositedesigninc.com/
Custom Grips for your control stick (and other cool stuff for
your
project) >>> http://www.mrrace.com/
Custom Exhaust System >>> clinton@customaircraft.com
Build safe everyone.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D L
Josephson
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:20 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Anyone have experience proping a
Corvair?
<dlj04@josephson.com>
Many Corvair-powered planes are hand propped. See the Pietenpol
list on
this server or the WW manual. You still need a battery to run
the
ignition but hand propping is not a bsp; (And Get Some
AWESOME FREE o find ifts bsp; lder's LP you for ;
-Matt Dralle, List the ies ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS
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| Subject: | firewall fitting - another question |
Yes, it is I again...
Context: I am building a CH601-HD, from plans, and will install the 650
canopy (already ordered).
Meaning I don't have the 650 drawings yet.
The question is, how is the top engine fitting (6B6-4) positioned in
relation to the rear firewall reinforcement, 6B7-2?
>From the pictures I have seen, it seems 6B6-4 goes on top of the bottom
flange of 6B7-2, and the longeron fits under the flange.
I am a bit suspicious because the first bolt through 6B6-4 and the longeron
is 14 mm from the fitting flange/firewall, right on the edge of the 6B7-2
flange.
I suppose one can cut a small piece of the flange to avoid the
interference, but I haven't noticed this in the pictures I have seen.
I'd appreciate a word from the XL builders out there using the latest 6B6-4
design
http://www.kitlog.com/photos/project_323/full/FP03022009A0000K.jpg (not my
project, just a picture of the parts involved.)
Thanks
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
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| Subject: | firewall fitting - another question |
Hey Carlos,
Send me your snail mail address. I will send you the video for doing
the 650 canopy from Homebuilt help.com. It is incredibly helpful.
Steve
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 6:48 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: firewall fitting - another question
Yes, it is I again...
Context: I am building a CH601-HD, from plans, and will install the 650
canopy (already ordered).
Meaning I don't have the 650 drawings yet.
The question is, how is the top engine fitting (6B6-4) positioned in
relation to the rear firewall reinforcement, 6B7-2?
>From the pictures I have seen, it seems 6B6-4 goes on top of the bottom
flange of 6B7-2, and the longeron fits under the flange.
I am a bit suspicious because the first bolt through 6B6-4 and the
longeron is 14 mm from the fitting flange/firewall, right on the edge of
the 6B7-2 flange.
I suppose one can cut a small piece of the flange to avoid the
interference, but I haven't noticed this in the pictures I have seen.
I'd appreciate a word from the XL builders out there using the latest
6B6-4 design
http://www.kitlog.com/photos/project_323/full/FP03022009A0000K.jpg (not
my project, just a picture of the parts involved.)
Thanks
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone have experience proping a Corvair? |
yes it's me and I seem to remember a propping story from you a few years
back..... LOL
In a message dated 11/12/2012 2:00:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
steve.freeman@syntaxds.com writes:
<< Afterfxllc@aol.com >> Is this Jeff?
Anyway
Thanks for clearing this up. That should put the propping a Corvair issue
to rest but does not resolve the underlying challenge we all run into.
As I go through my second build I constantly run across questions I am not
qualified to answer because I am not an A&P, trained aircraft designer or
assembler. Anyone who thinks they are just =98cuz they successfully
completed a project and the FAA gives them a Cert for their airframe, engin
e and
they know how to twist a few wrenches might one day find themself in a ver
y
challenging situation. There are some pretty dangerous personality types
out there. I think we are all fortunate in that most of us take this very
seriously. In all of the people I have met and homebuilt=99s I have
since
starting my first build in 1998 there are only two planes I would not have
flown in as a passenger or pilot. But I digress.
I do my best to build safely. When I run across issues I am not certain
on I will take advice from fellow builders and if it is a safety related
issue I will run it by a licensed A&P. If I do not get concurrence I will
ask what I need to do to correct the issue. I have not found ZAC to be a
great resource in that they will only answer questions directly relating to
the product. If you have tweaked anything you will be very lucky to get
anything other than a vague reply. I don=99t know about you other gu
ys but I am
not willing to bet my life on some of the responses I have gotten from
them. And I can=99t really blame ZAC for this. They are not in our
hangars to
see some of the crazy shit we have all done.
RegardlessI wish I could figure out a way to make money doing thi
s
because I love building these projects so much. I wish I could be in the
hangar
right now instead of my office.
I hope you all have a great Thanksgiving and please build and fly safe.
Steve
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Afterfxllc@ao
l.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Anyone have experience proping a Corvair?
Steve I stand corrected .... I don't know where I heard it or dreamed it
but after reading a bit I found you can hand prop a Corvair but have never
had the need or desire to do so. As you know you can hand prop a Lycoming
but not with fuel injection.....LOL I thought once of building a motor lik
e
they use on model airplanes to start them from the spinner but quickly cam
e
back to reality....
In a message dated 11/12/2012 12:26:46 A.M. Central Standard Time,
_steve.freeman@syntaxds.com_ (mailto:steve.freeman@syntaxds.com) writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Freeman (SDS)"
<_steve.freeman@syntaxds.com_ (mailto:steve.freeman@syntaxds.com) >
This is why this list can be so darn frustrating sometimes.
Question from list = " Does anyone have experience propping a Corvair?"
One responder says...
" Short answer.... you can't prop a corvair"
Another responder says...
"Many Corvair-powered planes are hand propped."
On a different topic but still to my point - the other day someone tells
me in response to my question...
"Not trying to be a smartass but have you tried measuring it? "
The answer to the above is "yes" but I thought someone who had "been
there done that" might have a quick answer. So effing sue me.
Lycoming ultimately gave me the answer I needed. Their customer support
was awesome.
I have always done my best to provide useful answers when I had them
(have I been able to help you Carl?) but most of the time I don't answer
(or will only answer in private so no value to the full list) because I
don't want to get contradicted by another person's answer or flamed as
shown above. No one likes to be made to look like an idiot in public.
In the "propping" example only one of the answers can be correct. How
is anyone supposed to take any value from two such opposing statements?
The only prudent thing a person can then do is find independent
validation. Even though that is a prudent thing to do no matter what,
it certainly was not the point of the original question.
The best advice I can offer is to find a group of friends or other
builders whom you can trust to provide valuable information and only use
the list as a fallback.
There are also some great vendors out there who will really go the extra
mile and help with questions you might have. A couple that come to mind
right away are:
For excellent custom fuel and brake hoses >>>
_steve@aircraftspecialty.com_ (mailto:steve@aircraftspecialty.com)
For excellent products and help with wiring your Panel >>>
_http://www.compositedesigninc.com/_ (http://www.compositedesigninc.com/)
Custom Grips for your control stick (and other cool stuff for your
project) >>> _http://www.mrrace.com/_ (http://www.mrrace.com/)
Custom Exhaust System >>> _clinton@customaircraft.com_
(mailto:clinton@customaircraft.com)
Build safe everyone.
Steve
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From: _owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
[_mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com) ] On Behalf Of D L
Josephson
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:20 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Anyone have experience proping a Corvair?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: D L Josephson <_dlj04@josephson.com_
(mailto:dlj04@josephson.com) >
Many Corvair-powered planes are hand propped. See the Pietenpol list on
this server or the WW manual. You still need a battery to run the
ignition but hand propping is not a bsp; (And Get Some AWESOME
FREE o find ifts bsp; lder's LP you for ; -Matt Dralle, List the ie
s
ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS
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| Subject: | Re: upper engine fittings |
On page 6-B-14 of my XL plans ther is a dimension of 560mm which is half way across
the fuselage at the forward lip of the rear baggage shelf. Double that 560
+ 560 = 1120mm. Measure this across the top of the baggage shelf to the outside
skin. I remember holding that dimension, it's the widest point on the fuselage.
How large is the distance between the two red lines on your original picture?
--------
Ron Lendon, Detroit, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
CH 601 XLB
N601LT - Flying
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Corvair Engine Prints:
http://www.zenith.aero/profile/RonLendon
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: upper engine fittings |
That's approximately what I get (about 44 inches).
I believe the gap was some five millimeters - but I managed to get rid
of it but flexing the longerons a bit.
Cheers
Carlos
On Monday, November 12, 2012, Ron Lendon wrote:
> >
>
> On page 6-B-14 of my XL plans ther is a dimension of 560mm which is half
> way across the fuselage at the forward lip of the rear baggage shelf.
> Double that 560 + 560 = 1120mm. Measure this across the top of the
> baggage shelf to the outside skin. I remember holding that dimension, it's
> the widest point on the fuselage.
>
> How large is the distance between the two red lines on your original
> picture?
>
> --------
> Ron Lendon, Detroit, MI
> WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: upper engine fittings |
It sounds like you got it. Pulling things together is the reason I have so many
clamps.
carlossa52(at)gmail.com wrote:
> That's approximately what I get (about 44 inches).
>
> I believe the gap was some five millimeters - but I managed to get rid of it
but flexing the longerons a bit.
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
--------
Ron Lendon, Detroit, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
CH 601 XLB
N601LT - Flying
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Corvair Engine Prints:
http://www.zenith.aero/profile/RonLendon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387742#387742
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