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Hey Pavel,
If you want to pay more taxes no one's stopping you but get your facts
straight and not just say something you've heard on TV. "The rich don't pay
taxes and neither does the poor."
You're right about the poor, about 48% pay no Federal income tax, but the
top 10% of wage earners pay over 70% of all Federal income tax. You may not
like it or believe it, but it's a statistical fact, look it up.
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sales taxes
Pavel:
Awe come on... You live in one of the most highly taxed states in the
union. You must have voted or not! To have the government that is now and
has been in office for a long while. So why not support the government and
state you live in. Everybody should pay higher taxes especially you, YOU
own a plane.
The rich don't pay taxes and neither does the poor... Only us working
middle class.
Now, to answer your question:
You sell the plane as PARTS to a corporation, YOU own the corporation, You
sell it for the value of scrap metal and parts - Say $1,000. The
corporation finishes building the plane at a value of say $3,000. The
corporation then pays the Tax on $3,000. YOU pay the sales tax on "A Casual
Sale" <--- Look it up. Of $1,000 which is usually about half that of the
state tax. And YOU wash your hands of ownership and the problem. The plane
belongs to a Corporation, so if you have an accident, the corporation can
only be sued for the value of the corporation which is ONLY that of the
plane.
Ya got to think BIG. "Only the little people pay taxes" Leona Helmsley
And only in the state of California is sugar known to cause cancer.
Everywhere else it is just fattening. Just like Fried Chicken - Got that
Michelle?
*Barry*
*"Chop'd Liver"*
NJ has taken the next step. They are identifying cars with bad drivers.
You will notice some cars with a large red "R" on them. That is to
identify the drivers as "R"estricted. Restricted is just a polite way of
saying Bad Drivers. Be cautious around them.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net> wrote:
Hi Pavel,
I don't know about the situation in California. They seem to have unusual
ways to tax those "Millionaires and Billionaires" they hate.
In my case, I registered my home built XL and had to pay "Use tax" on the
parts I didn't already pay sales tax on. I made a deal with the department
of revenue to agree on my estimate and pay tax accordingly.
You might want to wait for your expensive avionics until after getting
through the extra tax event of the appraisal. Then you can add out of state
avionics yourself or fly up to Oregon and have them installed. Pacific
Coast Avionics is a good choice of vendor to buy and install such avionics.
It is located just south of Portland, OR. I use them for some purchases and
also transponder certifications. Their service is great and pricing
aggressive.
Paul
Camas, WA
On 11/20/2013 9:32 AM, pavel569 wrote:
Can anyone, who has any experience with sales tax after registering a finish
airplane give me an advice when shopping for instruments?
I live in CA but I can buy from company based in Oregon to avoid 9.5% or so
sales tax here in CA but I know the airplane will be appraised after
registering. Is it worth to do it? If it makes no or only marginal
difference I'd be buying few at the time here in CA, if yes I'll wait and
buy them all at once next year when my plane is ready from OR.
I'm planning to register the airplane under some special name, not 601XL.
Thanks
--------
Pavel
CA
Zodiac 601XL
Stratus Subaru EA-81
Tail, flaps, ailerons, wings, fuselage, canopy done ...
"do not archive"
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Hey Guys...
We have politics everywhere these days...Can we keep it off this list?
Steve Freeman
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 8:38 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sales taxes
Hey Pavel,
If you want to pay more taxes no one's stopping you but get your facts
straight and not just say something you've heard on TV. "The rich don't
pay taxes and neither does the poor..."
You're right about the poor, about 48% pay no Federal income tax, but
the top 10% of wage earners pay over 70% of all Federal income tax. You
may not like it or believe it, but it's a statistical fact, look it up.
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sales taxes
Pavel:
Awe come on... You live in one of the most highly taxed states in the
union. You must have voted or not! To have the government that is now
and has been in office for a long while. So why not support the
government and state you live in. Everybody should pay higher taxes
especially you, YOU own a plane.
The rich don't pay taxes and neither does the poor... Only us working
middle class.
Now, to answer your question:
You sell the plane as PARTS to a corporation, YOU own the corporation,
You sell it for the value of scrap metal and parts - Say $1,000. The
corporation finishes building the plane at a value of say $3,000. The
corporation then pays the Tax on $3,000. YOU pay the sales tax on "A
Casual Sale" <--- Look it up. Of $1,000 which is usually about half
that of the state tax. And YOU wash your hands of ownership and the
problem. The plane belongs to a Corporation, so if you have an
accident, the corporation can only be sued for the value of the
corporation which is ONLY that of the plane.
Ya got to think BIG. "Only the little people pay taxes" Leona Helmsley
And only in the state of California is sugar known to cause cancer.
Everywhere else it is just fattening. Just like Fried Chicken - Got
that Michelle?
*Barry*
*"Chop'd Liver"*
NJ has taken the next step. They are identifying cars with bad drivers.
You will notice some cars with a large red "R" on them. That is to
identify the drivers as "R"estricted. Restricted is just a polite way
of saying Bad Drivers. Be cautious around them.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net> wrote:
Hi Pavel,
I don't know about the situation in California. They seem to have
unusual ways to tax those "Millionaires and Billionaires" they hate.
In my case, I registered my home built XL and had to pay "Use tax" on
the parts I didn't already pay sales tax on. I made a deal with the
department of revenue to agree on my estimate and pay tax accordingly.
You might want to wait for your expensive avionics until after getting
through the extra tax event of the appraisal. Then you can add out of
state avionics yourself or fly up to Oregon and have them installed.
Pacific Coast Avionics is a good choice of vendor to buy and install
such avionics. It is located just south of Portland, OR. I use them
for some purchases and also transponder certifications. Their service
is great and pricing aggressive.
Paul
Camas, WA
On 11/20/2013 9:32 AM, pavel569 wrote:
<pm569@hotmail.com>
Can anyone, who has any experience with sales tax after
registering a finish airplane give me an advice when shopping for
instruments?
I live in CA but I can buy from company based in Oregon to avoid
9.5% or so sales tax here in CA but I know the airplane will be
appraised after registering. Is it worth to do it? If it makes no or
only marginal difference I'd be buying few at the time here in CA, if
yes I'll wait and buy them all at once next year when my plane is ready
from OR.
I'm planning to register the airplane under some special name,
not 601XL.
Thanks
--------
Pavel
CA
Zodiac 601XL
Stratus Subaru EA-81
Tail, flaps, ailerons, wings, fuselage, canopy done ...
"do not archive"
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413575#413575
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I'll second that!
Let's keep all Zenith, all the time. :>)
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 11/22/2013 10:06 AM, Steve Freeman (SDS) wrote:
>
> Hey Guys...
>
>
> We have politics everywhere these days...Can we keep it off this list?
>
> Steve Freeman
>
> *From:*owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Randy
> *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2013 8:38 AM
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Zenith-List: Sales taxes
>
> Hey Pavel,
>
> If you want to pay more taxes no one's stopping you but get your facts
> straight and not just say something you've heard on TV. "The rich
> don't pay taxes and neither does the poor..."
>
> You're right about the poor, about 48% pay no Federal income tax, but
> the top 10% of wage earners pay over 70% of all Federal income tax.
> You may not like it or believe it, but it's a statistical fact, look
> it up.
>
> *From:*owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *FLYaDIVE
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:34 PM
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com <mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: Sales taxes
>
> Pavel:
>
> Awe come on... You live in one of the most highly taxed states in the
> union. You must have voted or not! To have the government that is
> now and has been in office for a long while. So why not support the
> government and state you live in. Everybody should pay higher taxes
> especially you, YOU own a plane.
>
> The rich don't pay taxes and neither does the poor... Only us working
> middle class.
>
> Now, to answer your question:
>
> You sell the plane as PARTS to a corporation, YOU own the corporation,
> You sell it for the value of scrap metal and parts - Say $1,000. The
> corporation finishes building the plane at a value of say $3,000. The
> corporation then pays the Tax on $3,000. YOU pay the sales tax on "A
> Casual Sale" <--- Look it up. Of $1,000 which is usually about half
> that of the state tax. And YOU wash your hands of ownership and the
> problem. The plane belongs to a Corporation, so if you have an
> accident, the corporation can only be sued for the value of the
> corporation which is ONLY that of the plane.
>
> Ya got to think BIG. "Only the little people pay taxes" Leona Helmsley
>
> And only in the state of California is sugar known to cause cancer.
> Everywhere else it is just fattening. Just like Fried Chicken - Got
> that Michelle?
>
>
> *Barry*
> *"Chop'd Liver"*
>
> NJ has taken the next step. They are identifying cars with bad
> drivers. You will notice some cars with a large red "R" on them.
> That is to identify the drivers as "R"estricted. Restricted is just a
> polite way of saying Bad Drivers. Be cautious around them.
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net
> <mailto:psm@att.net>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:psm@att.net>>
>
> Hi Pavel,
>
> I don't know about the situation in California. They seem to have
> unusual ways to tax those "Millionaires and Billionaires" they hate.
>
> In my case, I registered my home built XL and had to pay "Use tax" on
> the parts I didn't already pay sales tax on. I made a deal with the
> department of revenue to agree on my estimate and pay tax accordingly.
>
> You might want to wait for your expensive avionics until after getting
> through the extra tax event of the appraisal. Then you can add out of
> state avionics yourself or fly up to Oregon and have them installed.
> Pacific Coast Avionics is a good choice of vendor to buy and install
> such avionics. It is located just south of Portland, OR. I use them
> for some purchases and also transponder certifications. Their service
> is great and pricing aggressive.
>
> Paul
> Camas, WA
>
>
> On 11/20/2013 9:32 AM, pavel569 wrote:
>
> <mailto:pm569@hotmail.com>>
>
> Can anyone, who has any experience with sales tax after
> registering a finish airplane give me an advice when shopping for
> instruments?
> I live in CA but I can buy from company based in Oregon to avoid
> 9.5% or so sales tax here in CA but I know the airplane will be
> appraised after registering. Is it worth to do it? If it makes no
> or only marginal difference I'd be buying few at the time here in
> CA, if yes I'll wait and buy them all at once next year when my
> plane is ready from OR.
>
> I'm planning to register the airplane under some special name, not
> 601XL.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Pavel
> CA
> Zodiac 601XL
> Stratus Subaru EA-81
> Tail, flaps, ailerons, wings, fuselage, canopy done ...
>
> "do not archive"
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=413575#413575
>
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