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2. 07:32 AM - Re: wiring the control stick (Bryan Martin)
3. 07:34 AM - Re: wiring the control stick (pavel569)
4. 08:20 AM - Re: wiring the control stick (FLYaDIVE)
5. 08:26 AM - Fw: Stick Wiring (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net)
6. 08:31 AM - Re: wiring the control stick (Keith Ashcraft)
7. 10:14 AM - Re: wiring the control stick ()
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| Subject: | Re: wiring the control stick |
Carlos:
Here is the way I would do it - Always remember two things:
1 - The K.I.S.S. M.E. principal and
2 - How, you will make future repairs,if you need them.
The procedure:
a> Solder and Heat Shrink the wires.
b> Do not use a Cable - No room for repairs and difficult to run.
c> Make TWISTED PAIRS - This will keep like wires together AND eliminate
noise pick-up.
d> Remember some Twisted Pairs will not be pairs, but three or four wires
for a function (exp. TRIM - It has Up and DOWN wires).
e> Make the wires LONG. You can always cut them short, that is easy. But
cutting them long... I have not figured out how to do that as yet. (I'm
still working on my Aluminum and Stainless Steel Magnets)
f> Keeping with KEEPING the wires LONG - The second reason in doing so is
for REPAIRS. It is know as a Service Loop. Very aggravating if you find
you are one inch short and have to do splicing in an area that is difficult
or impossible to reach.
g> VERY important - Take Pictures of the Grip - As to What Button does
what - At least label them A _ B_ C_ D, etc. AND - - - Label the wire pairs
to match.
h> The use of a DB15 connector is up to you. A DB15 will give you 15 pins
to work with, a DB25 will give you 25 pins to work with. ALWAYS ADD an
EXTRA GROUND WIRE. And make sure it goes to a solid electrical ground.
NOT just the airframe.
OK - There ya go - Any questions? Please ask. I was an electrical
engineer in my past life... Now I'm retired and work as an A&P.
*Barry*
*=93Chop=92d Liver=94*
NJ has taken the next step. They are identifying cars with bad drivers.
You will notice some cars with a large red "R" on them. That is to
identify the drivers as "R"estricted. Restricted is just a polite way of
saying Bad Drivers. Be cautious around them.
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> What have you used for wiring the control stick?
>
> At this time I still don't know what buttons I will have on it (other tha
n
> PTT), but I would like to do the wiring once. Period. I am going to use a
> Tosten grip ( http://www.tostenmanufacturing.com/catalog/aircraft-grips/)
which comes wired with 10 wires 16 AWG. (I probably won't use all of the
> buttons, but better have too many than wish I had bought a grip with one
> more button.)
>
> I am interested on the wiring used (multi-conductor cable? a bunch of
> single conductors? type, source?) and the connector. (The multi-conductor
> cables I found on the 'net are sold in spools, the smallest 100' long.)
>
> I saw today a cable with D-sub 15 connectors ( like this:
> http://images.pcworld.com/howto/graphics/193829-belkin_pcmonitor_606_orig
inal.jpg) that I could cut and attach the shorter length to the grip and us
e the
> longer piece to connect to the panel. Problem is (is it?) that the wires
> are too thin...
>
>
> Interested in not reinventing the wheel...
>
>
> Thanks for your comments
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
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| Subject: | Re: wiring the control stick |
I have the Y stick with a pair of infinity grips, each grip has a PTT switch, a
4-way trim switch and a flap switch. I have a relay panel to allow both sticks
to control the trim and flap circuits. The relay panel is mounted inside the
rudder cable tunnel. The cables from the grips were long enough to attach to
the screw terminals on the relay panel with out splices. I used Molex style connectors
from there to connect the radio controls from the sticks.
All of the wires from the stick grips are signal wires that carry no significant
current, so 22-24 gauge wire would work just fine. 16 gauge wire is way bigger
than needed for this application as far as current capacity is concerned but
16 gauge might better tolerate the flexing of the wire around the control stick
joints.
On Nov 27, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Carlos Sa wrote:
>
> What have you used for wiring the control stick?
>
> At this time I still don't know what buttons I will have on it (other than PTT), but I would like to do the wiring once. Period. I am going to use a Tosten grip ( http://www.tostenmanufacturing.com/catalog/aircraft-grips/ ) which comes wired with 10 wires 16 AWG. (I probably won't use all of the buttons, but better have too many than wish I had bought a grip with one more button.)
>
> I am interested on the wiring used (multi-conductor cable? a bunch of single
conductors? type, source?) and the connector. (The multi-conductor cables I found
on the 'net are sold in spools, the smallest 100' long.)
>
> I saw today a cable with D-sub 15 connectors ( like this: http://images.pcworld.com/howto/graphics/193829-belkin_pcmonitor_606_original.jpg ) that I could cut and attach the shorter length to the grip and use the longer piece to connect to the panel. Problem is (is it?) that the wires are too thin...
>
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus re-drive.
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| Subject: | Re: wiring the control stick |
Hi Carlos,
I'm not done yet with mine but I have the same Tosten stick grips as you and I'm
planning to use a 10 pin microphone connector. It is round and it fits perfectly
inside the control tube. I'll have both sticks removable, so they'll be cut
in the bottom half and secured by pin. The connectors will be either solid
mounted in each half of the tube or bottom solid and upper half will hang on wires
and be fit inside the upper half of the tube after connecting with bottom
plug. I'm using 22 AWG single wires.
[quote="carlossa52(at)gmail.com"]
Hello, What have you used for wiring the control stick?
At this time I still don't know what buttons I will have on it (other than PTT), but I would like to do the wiring once. Period. I am going to use a Tosten grip ( http://www.tostenmanufacturing.com/catalog/aircraft-grips/ (http://www.tostenmanufacturing.com/catalog/aircraft-grips/) ) which comes wired with 10 wires 16 AWG. (I probably won't use all of the buttons, but better have too many than wish I had bought a grip with one more button.)
I am interested on the wiring used (multi-conductor cable? a bunch of single conductors?
type, source?) and the connector. (The multi-conductor cables I found
on the 'net are sold in spools, the smallest 100' long.)
I saw today a cable with D-sub 15 connectors ( like this: http://images.pcworld.com/howto/graphics/193829-belkin_pcmonitor_606_original.jpg (http://images.pcworld.com/howto/graphics/193829-belkin_pcmonitor_606_original.jpg) ) that I could cut and attach the shorter length to the grip and use the longer piece to connect to the panel. Problem is (is it?) that the wires are too thin...
Interested in not reinventing the wheel...
Thanks for your comments
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
> [b]
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Pavel
CA
Zodiac 601XL
Stratus Subaru EA-81
Tail, flaps, ailerons, wings, fuselage, canopy done ...
"do not archive"
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414390#414390
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| Subject: | Re: wiring the control stick |
Brian:
Since you are using Molex connectors mit I strongly suggest you put a light
coating of Dielectric Grease inside the connector before you attach them
AND secure them with a thin Ty-Wrap end to end. This will keep the poor
coating of the pins from oxidizing and keep moisture out, as well as never
having to worry about a loose connection.
Been there - Done that - Many a time.
*Barry*
*=93Chop=92d Liver=94*
NJ has taken the next step. They are identifying cars with bad drivers.
You will notice some cars with a large red "R" on them. That is to
identify the drivers as "R"estricted. Restricted is just a polite way of
saying Bad Drivers. Be cautious around them.
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>wr
ote:
>
>
> I have the Y stick with a pair of infinity grips, each grip has a PTT
> switch, a 4-way trim switch and a flap switch. I have a relay panel to
> allow both sticks to control the trim and flap circuits. The relay panel
is
> mounted inside the rudder cable tunnel. The cables from the grips were lo
ng
> enough to attach to the screw terminals on the relay panel with out
> splices. I used Molex style connectors from there to connect the radio
> controls from the sticks.
> All of the wires from the stick grips are signal wires that carry no
> significant current, so 22-24 gauge wire would work just fine. 16 gauge
> wire is way bigger than needed for this application as far as current
> capacity is concerned but 16 gauge might better tolerate the flexing of t
he
> wire around the control stick joints.
>
> On Nov 27, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Carlos Sa wrote:
>
> >
> > What have you used for wiring the control stick?
> >
> > At this time I still don't know what buttons I will have on it (other
> than PTT), but I would like to do the wiring once. Period. I am going to
> use a Tosten grip (
> http://www.tostenmanufacturing.com/catalog/aircraft-grips/ ) which comes
> wired with 10 wires 16 AWG. (I probably won't use all of the buttons, but
> better have too many than wish I had bought a grip with one more button.)
> >
> > I am interested on the wiring used (multi-conductor cable? a bunch of
> single conductors? type, source?) and the connector. (The multi-conductor
> cables I found on the 'net are sold in spools, the smallest 100' long.)
> >
> > I saw today a cable with D-sub 15 connectors ( like this:
> http://images.pcworld.com/howto/graphics/193829-belkin_pcmonitor_606_orig
inal.jpg) that I could cut and attach the shorter length to the grip and us
e the
> longer piece to connect to the panel. Problem is (is it?) that the wires
> are too thin...
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus re-drive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Fwd: Stick Wiring |
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Stick Wiring
Carlos
I used a military type stick grip with lots of options. Most of my heavy amp users
( trim and flap motors ) go thru relays so 22 gauge wire was plenty heavy.
One thing I wired in simply because it was there came to be my most used switches.
Summer flying in Florida can be pretty bumpy particularly in the afternoon
with thunderbumpers building up. I wired a switch that flips the Icom A-200
radio frequencies of the 10 most used stored frequencies. Another switch flips
the radio stand-by frequency to the use freq. Try flying left handed in rough
air and tuning the radio while watching for traffic. I also have the PTT, a
hat switch for roll and pitch trim, and flaps on the stick. It is very handy (
pun intended ).
Bobby
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| Subject: | Re: wiring the control stick |
Carlos,
I checked, and the web page actually shows 22 AWG. That sounds better than 16 guage.
As others had stated, 16 is HUGE for and airplane, (except for your main
power and starter cables)
A 15A AC breaker circuit in your house is typical 14 AWG, with 20A circuits being
12 AWG. (depending on the length of runs, and how big of an IR drop you expect)(course
there is a difference between AC and DC for calculating cable size)
Also, connectors, 9-pin D or 15-pin D, or other ???? will be alot easier to wire
using the 22AWG size wire.
For ideas of what to use the switches for, I can't help, (I'm not that far yet)
Use some the existing guys ideas and branch out from there. Besides missiles, radars,
and etc, maybe a flip-flop control for your radio, (if it is equipped as
such)
Happy Thanksgiving to all
Keith
CH701 - scratch mostly
N 38.9940
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
________________________________
From: Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:18 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: wiring the control stick
Hello,
What have you used for wiring the control stick?
At this time I still don't know what buttons I will have on it (other than PTT), but I would like to do the wiring once. Period. I am going to use a Tosten grip ( http://www.tostenmanufacturing.com/catalog/aircraft-grips/ ) which comes wired with 10 wires 16 AWG. (I probably won't use all of the buttons, but better have too many than wish I had bought a grip with one more button.)
I am interested on the wiring used (multi-conductor cable? a bunch of single conductors?
type, source?) and the connector. (The multi-conductor cables I found
on the 'net are sold in spools, the smallest 100' long.)
I saw today a cable with D-sub 15 connectors ( like this: http://images.pcworld.com/howto/graphics/193829-belkin_pcmonitor_606_original.jpg ) that I could cut and attach the shorter length to the grip and use the longer piece to connect to the panel. Problem is (is it?) that the wires are too thin...
Interested in not reinventing the wheel...
Thanks for your comments
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
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| Subject: | Re: wiring the control stick |
Yeah, man, get it on! MY fighter-style control stick used to be from a
video game, came from e-bay, cost less than $20, and has a four-way hat
switch for trim, a PTT, a flaps down, a flaps up, and a leftover real
neat trigger, for either the guns or the missiles. Once you strip it out
of the base, you get a stick handle with all those micro switches, whose
cumulative value exceeds cost.
It works, and it's cheap, so what's not to like?
Paul R
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Freeman (SDS)<mailto:steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:57 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: wiring the control stick
Trim, Flaps, PPT on my stick. Woohooo! I also have a switch on stick
that cuts out the flaps so I can't hit them by accident.
Steve Freeman
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owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@ma
tronics.com> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Jay Bannister
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:38 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: wiring the control stick
Carlos,
Are you planning to control your radar, missiles and machine guns from
that stick ? (;>)
Seriously, why do you need anything more that a PTT button on the
stick ?
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com<mailto:carlossa52@gmail.com>>
To: zenith-list
<zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:23 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: wiring the control stick
Hello,
What have you used for wiring the control stick?
At this time I still don't know what buttons I will have on it (other
than PTT), but I would like to do the wiring once. Period. I am going to
use a Tosten grip (
http://www.tostenmanufacturing.com/catalog/aircraft-grips/<http://www.tos
tenmanufacturing.com/catalog/aircraft-grips/> ) which comes wired with
10 wires 16 AWG. (I probably won't use all of the buttons, but better
have too many than wish I had bought a grip with one more button.)
I am interested on the wiring used (multi-conductor cable? a bunch of
single conductors? type, source?) and the connector. (The
multi-conductor cables I found on the 'net are sold in spools, the
smallest 100' long.)
I saw today a cable with D-sub 15 connectors ( like this:
http://images.pcworld.com/howto/graphics/193829-belkin_pcmonitor_606_orig
inal.jpg<http://images.pcworld.com/howto/graphics/193829-belkin_pcmonitor
_606_original.jpg> ) that I could cut and attach the shorter length to
the grip and use the longer piece to connect to the panel. Problem is
(is it?) that the wires are too thin...
Interested in not reinventing the wheel...
Thanks for your comments
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
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