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1. 05:01 AM - Re: weird hole (Paul Mulwitz)
2. 06:59 AM - Re: weird hole (FLYaDIVE)
3. 10:40 AM - Re: weird hole (Malcolm Hunt)
4. 10:41 AM - UPDATE : Does Anyone Know What Russell (Lepre') Dupree's Trip is? (Steve Freeman (SDS))
5. 10:58 AM - Re: weird hole (Steve Freeman (SDS))
6. 12:44 PM - Re: weird hole (FLYaDIVE)
7. 01:16 PM - Re: weird hole (Steve Freeman (SDS))
8. 01:28 PM - Re: weird hole (Malcolm Hunt)
9. 01:31 PM - Re: weird hole (Gary Gower)
10. 01:39 PM - Re: weird hole (Malcolm Hunt)
11. 02:44 PM - Re: weird hole (Clive Richards)
12. 04:09 PM - Re: weird hole (Gary Gower)
13. 04:21 PM - Re: weird hole (Paul Mulwitz)
14. 04:52 PM - Fw: weird hole (Carlos Sa)
15. 05:41 PM - Re: Fw: weird hole (Craig Payne)
16. 05:44 PM - Re: weird hole (Ben)
17. 06:07 PM - Re: Fw: weird hole (FLYaDIVE)
18. 06:21 PM - Re: Fw: weird hole (Paul Mulwitz)
19. 06:26 PM - Re: Fw: weird hole (Steve Freeman (SDS))
20. 11:14 PM - Re: Fw: weird hole (sabrina)
21. 11:48 PM - Re: weird hole (sabrina)
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Hi Carlos,
It seems I am having computer problems of some sort. I sent a message
describing how to make any hole you want in sheet aluminum and the
computer/net seems to have eaten all the content. I also lost my "Send"
file copy. Gremlins!
Anyway the short version for any hole:
1. Mark the hole outline with an ultra-fine marker. A pattern can help
with this.
2. Drill the center or possibly a couple of corners inside the marked
outline.
3. (For bigger holes) Cut close to outline with snips.
4. Finish cutting with a Dremel tool with "Christmas Tree" shaped high
speed cutter. Use the point area for fine adjustments and the wider
areas for quicker material removal.
5. Use hand file to finish hole - remove sharp edges and prevent loss
of blood.
Good luck,
Paul
XL - finished flight test and signed off.
On 3/11/2014 4:53 PM, Carlos Sa wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> Does anyone know how to drill a hole as indicated in this pdf?
>
> http://switches-connectors-custom.cwind.com/Asset/GRB213B03BB.pdf
>
> Is there a special tool? Just curious...
>
> Thanks
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
> inspection this summer
>
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Carlos:
Drill a 12.2 mm hole.
Or spend $100 and buy a punch... I would just drill a 12.2 mm hole and be
done with it.
BUT! If YOU try to drill the hole I'd bet dolars to donuts that it will
mess up the panel. SOOooooo, drill a 1/4" hole and then REAM it out to
fit. Use a TAPERED REAMER. You will have better control and NO chance of
the drill and bit getting away from you. Also, use a vacuum cleaner as you
work to pick up the metal chips.
Barry
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> Does anyone know how to drill a hole as indicated in this pdf?
>
> http://switches-connectors-custom.cwind.com/Asset/GRB213B03BB.pdf
>
> Is there a special tool? Just curious...
>
> Thanks
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
> inspection this summer
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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Carlos
Can I just add to Paul's excellent advice. As a plans builder you will have
a shed load of off-cuts and scrap so you drill three holes.
The first is in a piece of scrap and will be probably rubbish; the second
will also be in a piece of scrap and will be pretty good; the third will be
on your aircraft and be like the dogs dangly bits - perfect.
My two pennies worth but best of luck
Malcolm Hunt
CH601XL plans builder in England
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
Sent: 11 March 2014 23:54
Subject: Zenith-List: weird hole
Hello,
Does anyone know how to drill a hole as indicated in this pdf?
http://switches-connectors-custom.cwind.com/Asset/GRB213B03BB.pdf
Is there a special tool? Just curious...
Thanks
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
inspection this summer
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Trip is?
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What are "dog's dangly bits?"
I just spent a week in Birmingham and London. Great cities.
Steve Freeman
602-228-3830
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm
Hunt
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: weird hole
Carlos
Can I just add to Paul's excellent advice. As a plans builder you will
have a shed load of off-cuts and scrap so you drill three holes.
The first is in a piece of scrap and will be probably rubbish; the
second will also be in a piece of scrap and will be pretty good; the
third will be on your aircraft and be like the dogs dangly bits -
perfect.
My two pennies worth but best of luck
Malcolm Hunt
CH601XL plans builder in England
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [
mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
Sent: 11 March 2014 23:54
Subject: Zenith-List: weird hole
Hello,
Does anyone know how to drill a hole as indicated in this pdf?
http://switches-connectors-custom.cwind.com/Asset/GRB213B03BB.pdf
Is there a special tool? Just curious...
Thanks
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
inspection this summer
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You guys are joking! Right?
You are going to spend over an hour making a hole! One stinking HOLE!
And who knows the quality of the workmanship in making that hole. The
better the workmanship the more time is going to be spent.
I like dogs and I like cats and there are many ways to skin a cat but to be
bull dog stubborn on a simple hole you got to be kidding.
BUY a DIFFERENT switch.
But, wait, if there are more than one hole, is there enough holes to
justify buying a punch?
Barry
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Malcolm Hunt <
malcolmhunt@mha1.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
> Carlos
>
>
> Can I just add to Paul's excellent advice. As a plans builder you will
> have a shed load of off-cuts and scrap so you drill three holes.
>
>
> The first is in a piece of scrap and will be probably rubbish; the second
> will also be in a piece of scrap and will be pretty good; the third will
> be on your aircraft and be like the dogs dangly bits - perfect.
>
>
> My two pennies worth but best of luck
>
>
> Malcolm Hunt
>
> CH601XL plans builder in England
>
>
> *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Carlos Sa
> *Sent:* 11 March 2014 23:54
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Zenith-List: weird hole
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone know how to drill a hole as indicated in this pdf?
>
> http://switches-connectors-custom.cwind.com/Asset/GRB213B03BB.pdf
>
> Is there a special tool? Just curious...
>
> Thanks
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
>
> inspection this summer
>
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List>*
>
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>
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HI Barry,
I can only speak for myself but
1. You are going to spend over an hour making a hole!
a. It is a pride of workmanship issue and since it is on the panel
it is one of the most visible locations on the whole project. It is
hard to hide a goof up here. (as I well know)
2. Is there enough holes to justify buying a punch
a. I am personally sick to death of buying single use tools. I
have several.
If we were all closer together it would be so nice to have a "shared
tool" resource.
The caveat here is...the right tool can often save hours of time over
trying to Rube Goldburg a solution. For instance, the "Nutplate Jig"
from Brown Aviation, part number BAT3518. This $30 tool saved me hours
and hours of time as well as preventing certain goof ups. Worth every
penny. If you are early in project build...buy one, you won't regret
it.
Also, get a threaded bit, air driven, right angle drill. This tool is
worth its weight in gold. Buy used if you can. New price is ~$375.
Even at full retail this tool is invaluable in a project. I can't
imagine building this plane without it. Can you...yes...of course. But
this will make some tasks a hundred (no, a thousand) times easier and
will reduce drilling errors and oval holes. See SIOUX 90 Degree
Threaded Drill motor. Brown Aviation Tools, 1AM1551. You won't be
sorry.
3. BUY a DIFFERENT switch.
a. Once I found what I "liked" I did not want to change.
Steve Freeman
602-228-3830
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: weird hole
You guys are joking! Right?
You are going to spend over an hour making a hole! One stinking HOLE!
And who knows the quality of the workmanship in making that hole. The
better the workmanship the more time is going to be spent.
I like dogs and I like cats and there are many ways to skin a cat but to
be bull dog stubborn on a simple hole you got to be kidding.
BUY a DIFFERENT switch.
But, wait, if there are more than one hole, is there enough holes to
justify buying a punch?
Barry
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Malcolm Hunt <
malcolmhunt@mha1.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
Carlos
Can I just add to Paul's excellent advice. As a plans builder you will
have a shed load of off-cuts and scrap so you drill three holes.
The first is in a piece of scrap and will be probably rubbish; the
second will also be in a piece of scrap and will be pretty good; the
third will be on your aircraft and be like the dogs dangly bits -
perfect.
My two pennies worth but best of luck
Malcolm Hunt
CH601XL plans builder in England
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
Sent: 11 March 2014 23:54
Subject: Zenith-List: weird hole
Hello,
Does anyone know how to drill a hole as indicated in this pdf?
http://switches-connectors-custom.cwind.com/Asset/GRB213B03BB.pdf
Is there a special tool? Just curious...
Thanks
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
inspection this summer
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Thanks Barry but as a plans builder I learned early on that every single
hole has to be treated with respect as it is too easy to drill it in the
wrong place or end up forming an aperture which is un-usable. More scrap!!!
I think one of the benefits of the list is the breadth of opinion which has
helped me enormously over the past few years.
Kind regards
Malcolm Hunt
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: 12 March 2014 19:44
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: weird hole
You guys are joking! Right?
You are going to spend over an hour making a hole! One stinking HOLE!
And who knows the quality of the workmanship in making that hole. The
better the workmanship the more time is going to be spent.
I like dogs and I like cats and there are many ways to skin a cat but to be
bull dog stubborn on a simple hole you got to be kidding.
BUY a DIFFERENT switch.
But, wait, if there are more than one hole, is there enough holes to justify
buying a punch?
Barry
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Malcolm Hunt
<malcolmhunt@mha1.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
Carlos
Can I just add to Paul's excellent advice. As a plans builder you will have
a shed load of off-cuts and scrap so you drill three holes.
The first is in a piece of scrap and will be probably rubbish; the second
will also be in a piece of scrap and will be pretty good; the third will be
on your aircraft and be like the dogs dangly bits - perfect.
My two pennies worth but best of luck
Malcolm Hunt
CH601XL plans builder in England
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
Sent: 11 March 2014 23:54
Subject: Zenith-List: weird hole
Hello,
Does anyone know how to drill a hole as indicated in this pdf?
http://switches-connectors-custom.cwind.com/Asset/GRB213B03BB.pdf
Is there a special tool? Just curious...
Thanks
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
inspection this summer
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Looking closely to the pdf page...=C2- =0AI think that the hole to instal
l the switch is a normal round hole, like any other switch with a nut...=C2
- =0ALooks that the plastic parts of the switch are the ones that have th
at=C2- rectangular form... =0A=0AGary.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Wednesda
y, March 12, 2014 1:58 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:=0A =0AYou g
uys are joking! =C2-Right?=0A=0AYou are going to spend over an hour makin
g a hole! =C2-One stinking HOLE!=0A=0AAnd who knows the quality of the wo
rkmanship in making that hole. =C2-The better the workmanship the more ti
me is going to be spent.=0A=0AI like dogs and I like cats and there are man
y ways to skin a cat but to be bull dog stubborn on a simple hole you got t
o be kidding.=0A=0ABUY a DIFFERENT switch.=0A=0ABut, wait, if there are mor
e than one hole, is there enough holes to justify buying a punch?=0A=0ABarr
y=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Malcolm Hunt <malcol
mhunt@mha1.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:=0A=0ACarlos=0A>=C2-=0A>Can I just add
to Paul=99s excellent advice.=C2- As a plans builder you will have
a shed load of off-cuts and scrap so you drill three holes.=0A>=C2-=0A>T
he first is in a piece of scrap and will be probably rubbish;=C2- the sec
ond will also be in a piece of scrap and will be pretty good;=C2- the thi
rd will be on your aircraft and be like the dogs dangly bits =93 perf
ect.=0A>=C2-=0A>My two pennies worth but best of luck=0A>=C2-=0A>Malcol
m Hunt=0A>CH601XL plans builder in England=0A>=C2-=0A>From:owner-zenith-l
ist-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Carlos Sa=0A>Sent: 11 March 2014 23:54=0A>To: zenith-list@matron
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Does anyone know how to drill a hole as indicated in this pdf?=0A>=0A>http:
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Hi Steve
They are between his rear legs but I understand close inspection is
inadvisable!!!
Glad you liked two of our cities. I live between the cathedral cities of
Winchester and Chichester and keep a Piper Warrior at Goodwood which is
Chichester's aerodrome. It was the Battle of Britain fighter station of RAF
Westhampnett and Douglas Bader flew from there on occasions. The perimeter
track was used after WW2 for motor racing and is still in use today. We
have a company on the field that operates a two seat Spitfire along with
Tiger Moths and Harvards (Texans) so a lot going on.
Kind regards
Malcolm
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Freeman
(SDS)
Sent: 12 March 2014 17:58
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: weird hole
What are "dog's dangly bits?"
I just spent a week in Birmingham and London. Great cities.
Steve Freeman
602-228-3830
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm Hunt
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: weird hole
Carlos
Can I just add to Paul's excellent advice. As a plans builder you will have
a shed load of off-cuts and scrap so you drill three holes.
The first is in a piece of scrap and will be probably rubbish; the second
will also be in a piece of scrap and will be pretty good; the third will be
on your aircraft and be like the dogs dangly bits - perfect.
My two pennies worth but best of luck
Malcolm Hunt
CH601XL plans builder in England
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
Sent: 11 March 2014 23:54
Subject: Zenith-List: weird hole
Hello,
Does anyone know how to drill a hole as indicated in this pdf?
http://switches-connectors-custom.cwind.com/Asset/GRB213B03BB.pdf
Is there a special tool? Just curious...
Thanks
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
inspection this summer
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Gary If you look at your PDF top RHS you will see it is not a round
hole as there are flats to stop switch rotating in panel If it is a one
off drill 11 mm hole and file top & bottom of hole out to 12.2 mm with a
small half round file to fit switch.
Clive
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Gower
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: weird hole
Looking closely to the pdf page...
I think that the hole to install the switch is a normal round hole,
like any other switch with a nut...
Looks that the plastic parts of the switch are the ones that have that
rectangular form...
Gary.
On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 1:58 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
wrote:
You guys are joking! Right?
You are going to spend over an hour making a hole! One stinking HOLE!
And who knows the quality of the workmanship in making that hole. The
better the workmanship the more time is going to be spent.
I like dogs and I like cats and there are many ways to skin a cat but
to be bull dog stubborn on a simple hole you got to be kidding.
BUY a DIFFERENT switch.
But, wait, if there are more than one hole, is there enough holes to
justify buying a punch?
Barry
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Malcolm Hunt
<malcolmhunt@mha1.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
Carlos
Can I just add to Paul=99s excellent advice. As a plans
builder you will have a shed load of off-cuts and scrap so you drill
three holes.
The first is in a piece of scrap and will be probably rubbish; the
second will also be in a piece of scrap and will be pretty good; the
third will be on your aircraft and be like the dogs dangly bits
=93 perfect.
My two pennies worth but best of luck
Malcolm Hunt
CH601XL plans builder in England
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
Sent: 11 March 2014 23:54
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: weird hole
Hello,
Does anyone know how to drill a hole as indicated in this pdf?
http://switches-connectors-custom.cwind.com/Asset/GRB213B03BB.pdf
Is there a special tool? Just curious...
Thanks
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
inspection this summer
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http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Yes, I have installed lots of this type of switches...=C2- Make it round.
=0A=0AJust apply a tiny drop of paint (the red nail paint you use in the bo
lts and nuts will work) betwen the switch and the instrument panel (or a dr
op of contact cement, if you have one opened and not dried), before tighten
ing the nut and the switch will not move...=C2- I am shure you will never
try to twist the switch to turn it on...=C2-=C2- =0A=0ASame happens wi
th the ones that have a "tonge" in the professionaly made hole=C2- and th
e switch has a groove...=C2- =0AThis is designed to resist abuse from som
e Fred Flitstone type of users... :-)=C2- =0A=0AWe pilots are lot more ca
refull when switching in our pride and joy... =0A=0AGary=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AO
n Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:00 PM, Clive Richards <s.clive.richards@homec
all.co.uk> wrote:=0A =0A =0AGary=C2- If you look at your PDF top RHS you
will =0Asee it is not a round hole as there are flats to stop switch rotati
ng in panel =0AIf it is a one off drill 11 mm hole and file top & bottom of
hole out to =0A12.2 mm=C2-with a small half round file to fit switch.=0A
Clive=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: Gary Gower =0A>To: zenith-li
st@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:31 PM=0A>Subject: R
e: Zenith-List: weird =0Ahole=0A>=0A>=0A>Looking closely to the pdf page..
.=C2- =0A>I think that the hole to install the =0A switch is a normal ro
und hole, like any other switch with a nut...=C2- =0A>Looks that the plas
tic parts of the switch are the ones that have =0A that=C2- rectangular
form... =0A>=0A>Gary.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Wednesday, Marc
h 12, 2014 1:58 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>You guys
are joking! =C2-Right?=0A>=0A>=0A>You are going to spend over an hour mak
ing a hole! =C2-One stinking HOLE!=0A>=0A>=0A>And who knows the quality
of the workmanship in making that hole. =C2-The better the workmanship t
he more time is going to be spent.=0A>=0A>=0A>I like dogs and I like cats
and there are many ways to skin a cat but to be bull dog stubborn on a sim
ple hole you got to be kidding.=0A>=0A>=0A>BUY a DIFFERENT switch.=0A>=0A>
=0A>But, wait, if there are more than one hole, is there enough holes to j
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=0A>On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Malcolm Hunt <malcolmhunt@mha1.fsbusi
ness.co.uk> wrote:=0A>=0A>Carlos=0A>>=C2-=0A>>Can I just add to Paul
=99s excellent advice.=C2- As a plans builder you will have a shed lo
ad of off-cuts and scrap so you drill three holes.=0A>>=C2-=0A>>The firs
t is in a piece of scrap and will be probably rubbish;=C2- the second wi
ll also be in a piece of scrap and will be pretty good;=C2- the third wi
ll be on your aircraft and be like the dogs dangly bits =93 perfect.
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lm Hunt=0A>>CH601XL plans builder in England=0A>>=C2-=0A>>From:owner-ze
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Gary,
First, I think your estimate of an hour to make this hole properly is
off by about 55 minutes. Once you get the process down this simple
little hole with the flats might take as much as 5 minutes.
Second, If you are not willing to take a few minutes to do this little
job right they perhaps you would be better advised to buy a spam can
than to build your own plane.
Paul
Camas, WA
On 3/12/2014 4:07 PM, Gary Gower wrote:
> Yes, I have installed lots of this type of switches... Make it round.
>
> Just apply a tiny drop of paint (the red nail paint you use in the
> bolts and nuts will work) betwen the switch and the instrument panel
> (or a drop of contact cement, if you have one opened and not dried),
> before tightening the nut and the switch will not move... I am shure
> you will never try to twist the switch to turn it on...
>
> Same happens with the ones that have a "tonge" in the professionaly
> made hole and the switch has a groove...
> This is designed to resist abuse from some Fred Flitstone type of
> users... :-)
>
> We pilots are lot more carefull when switching in our pride and joy...
>
> Gary
>
>
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Hello,
Interesting and "colourful" opinions.
My question was motivated by the fact that switches with this
characteristic are pretty frequent (mouser, digikey, jameco, etc.).
Obviously I thought of drilling a small hole and enlarging it to fit the
required dimensions, as suggested. At this point of my project, I have
learnt to make holes of any size, any shape. And a few of them even end up
the size and shape as I wanted!
It's true that making these holes would be a bit of a pain, but not as much
as the holes I made for the Hartwell latches on my wing lockers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evD30x62UwU
So, in case I find the switch I want, this will not stop me.
Someone suggested a toggle switch.
Thanks, but I think they can hurt in case of an accident (probably the
reason why cars don't have toggle switches on the panel since what, the
fifties?).
I found that Carling makes some nice ones (Aveo sells them with custom
design), but I think they are too big - the hole is close to 2' tall.
Folks, thanks for the comments. Now back to building (or flying).
Cheers
Carlos
CH601-HD, CH650 canopy, maybe a Corvair engine?
Dynon D180? Choosing is half the fun!
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com>
Subject: weird hole
Hello,
Does anyone know how to drill a hole as indicated in this pdf?
http://switches-connectors-custom.cwind.com/Asset/GRB213B03BB.pdf
Is there a special tool? Just curious...
Thanks
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
inspection this summer
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: weird hole |
I suggested a standard toggle switch. If I impact my panel getting poked by
a toggle will be the least of my worries ;-)
A few things I don't like about some of the newer, prettier switches:
1. I find them to be more fragile that the classic toggles
2. They are manufacturer-specific. If you break one in 10 years (see item
1) you may have a hard time finding a replacement.
3. Depending on what the switch operates I like the fact that a standard
toggle has a more positive action. And if it is really important I can put
a guard on it. And if it is really really important I can put a
spring-loaded cover over it.
4. standard toggles are available with many different switching circuits:
single/double poll, single/double throw, center off, momentary or not.
-- Craig
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> Interesting and "colourful" opinions.
>
> My question was motivated by the fact that switches with this
> characteristic are pretty frequent (mouser, digikey, jameco, etc.).
> Obviously I thought of drilling a small hole and enlarging it to fit the
> required dimensions, as suggested. At this point of my project, I have
> learnt to make holes of any size, any shape. And a few of them even end up
> the size and shape as I wanted!
>
> It's true that making these holes would be a bit of a pain, but not as
> much as the holes I made for the Hartwell latches on my wing lockers.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evD30x62UwU
>
> So, in case I find the switch I want, this will not stop me.
>
> Someone suggested a toggle switch.
> Thanks, but I think they can hurt in case of an accident (probably the
> reason why cars don't have toggle switches on the panel since what, the
> fifties?).
>
> I found that Carling makes some nice ones (Aveo sells them with custom
> design), but I think they are too big - the hole is close to 2' tall.
>
> Folks, thanks for the comments. Now back to building (or flying).
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, CH650 canopy, maybe a Corvair engine?
> Dynon D180? Choosing is half the fun!
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com>
> Date: 11 March 2014 19:53
> Subject: weird hole
> To: "zenith-list@matronics.com" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
> Does anyone know how to drill a hole as indicated in this pdf?
>
> http://switches-connectors-custom.cwind.com/Asset/GRB213B03BB.pdf
>
> Is there a special tool? Just curious...
>
> Thanks
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
> inspection this summer
>
> *
>
>
> *
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I udes the same switches in my 801... I could net get the light portion
of the switch to work without blowing fuses.. They do work great as swit
ched only though.You can see them in my video at about the 21 minute mar
k... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCNnEgRkdXc&context=C3e091d3ADOE
gsToPDskKmHo69I6bUDuoBHd5YSUfu Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: weird hole
Yes, I have installed lots of this type of switches... Make it round.
Just apply a tiny drop of paint (the red nail paint you use in the bolts
and nuts will work) betwen the switch and the instrument panel (or a dr
op of contact cement, if you have one opened and not dried), before tigh
tening the nut and the switch will not move... I am shure you will neve
r try to twist the switch to turn it on...
Same happens with the ones that have a "tonge" in the professionaly made
hole and the switch has a groove...
This is designed to resist abuse from some Fred Flitstone type of users.
.. :-)
We pilots are lot more carefull when switching in our pride and joy...
Gary
On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:00 PM, Clive Richards <s.clive.richards@h
omecall.co.uk> wrote:
Gary If you look at your PDF top RHS you will see it is not a round hol
e as there are flats to stop switch rotating in panel If it is a one off
drill 11 mm hole and file top & bottom of hole out to 12.2 mm with a sm
all half round file to fit switch.Clive----- Original Message -----From:
Gary GowerTo: zenith-list@matronics.comSent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014
8:31 PMSubject: Re: Zenith-List: weird hole Looking closely to the pdf p
age...
I think that the hole to install the switch is a normal round hole, like
any other switch with a nut...
Looks that the plastic parts of the switch are the ones that have that
rectangular form...
Gary.
On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 1:58 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrot
e:
You guys are joking! Right? You are going to spend over an hour making
a hole! One stinking HOLE! And who knows the quality of the workmanship
in making that hole. The better the workmanship the more time is going
to be spent. I like dogs and I like cats and there are many ways to ski
n a cat but to be bull dog stubborn on a simple hole you got to be kiddi
ng. BUY a DIFFERENT switch. But, wait, if there are more than one hole,
is there enough holes to justify buying a punch? Barry
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Malcolm Hunt <malcolmhunt@mha1.fsbusine
ss.co.uk> wrote:
Carlos Can I just add to Paul€™s excellent advice. As a p
lans builder you will have a shed load of off-cuts and scrap so you dril
l three holes. The first is in a piece of scrap and will be probably rub
bish; the second will also be in a piece of scrap and will be pretty go
od; the third will be on your aircraft and be like the dogs dangly bits
€“ perfect. My two pennies worth but best of luck Malcolm
HuntCH601XL plans builder in England From: owner-zenith-list-server@mat
ronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Carlos Sa
Sent: 11 March 2014 23:54
Subject: Zenith-List: weird hole Hello,
Does anyone know how to drill a hole as indicated in this pdf?
http://switches-connectors-custom.cwind.com/Asset/GRB213B03BB.pdfIs ther
e a special tool? Just curious...ThanksCarlos
CH601-HD, plansinspection this summer http://www.matronics.com/Nav
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: weird hole |
GOOD POINT Craig!
Better than GOOD... EXCELLENT!
Carlos's logic on this point just does not make sense. He better do away
with the STICK or the YOKE. After all they are sitting there right in
front of your chest! Mater of fact all planes with toggle switches should
be grounded.
And you wonder why the government wants to take away our GA privileges.
Barry
On Wednesday, March 12, 2014, Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
> I suggested a standard toggle switch. If I impact my panel getting poked
> by a toggle will be the least of my worries ;-)
>
> A few things I don't like about some of the newer, prettier switches:
>
> 1. I find them to be more fragile that the classic toggles
> 2. They are manufacturer-specific. If you break one in 10 years (see item
> 1) you may have a hard time finding a replacement.
> 3. Depending on what the switch operates I like the fact that a standard
> toggle has a more positive action. And if it is really important I can put
> a guard on it. And if it is really really important I can put a
> spring-loaded cover over it.
> 4. standard toggles are available with many different switching circuits:
> single/double poll, single/double throw, center off, momentary or not.
>
> -- Craig
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carlossa52@gmail.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> Interesting and "colourful" opinions.
>>
>> My question was motivated by the fact that switches with this
>> characteristic are pretty frequent (mouser, digikey, jameco, etc.).
>> Obviously I thought of drilling a small hole and enlarging it to fit
>> the required dimensions, as suggested. At this point of my project, I have
>> learnt to make holes of any size, any shape. And a few of them even end up
>> the size and shape as I wanted!
>>
>> It's true that making these holes would be a bit of a pain, but not as
>> much as the holes I made for the Hartwell latches on my wing lockers.
>> hartwell latch operation <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evD30x62UwU>
>>
>> So, in case I find the switch I want, this will not stop me.
>>
>> Someone suggested a toggle switch.
>> Thanks, but I think they can hurt in case of an accident (probably the
>> reason why cars don't have toggle switches on the panel since what, the
>> fifties?).
>>
>> I found that Carling makes some nice ones (Aveo sells them with custom
>> design), but I think they are too big - the hole is close to 2' tall.
>>
>> Folks, thanks for the comments. Now back to building (or flying).
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> Carlos
>> CH601-HD, CH650 canopy, maybe a Corvair engine?
>> Dynon D180? Choosing is half the fun!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carlossa52@gmail.com');>
>> >
>> Date: 11 March 2014 19:53
>> Subject: weird hole
>> To: "zenith-list@matronics.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','zenith-list@matronics.com');>"
>> <zenith-list@matronics.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','zenith-list@matronics.com');>
>> >
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know how to drill a hole as indicated in this pdf?
>>
>> http://switches-connectors-custom.cwind.com/Asset/GRB213B03BB.pdf
>>
>> Is there a special tool? Just curious...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Carlos
>> CH601-HD, plans
>> inspection this summer
>>
>> *
>>
>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List>
>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
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>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: weird hole |
Hi Carlos,
Many years ago I had the opportunity to sit in a real Mig 21. The
panels of switches and the few instruments were very crude but
functional. There were lots of those bat handled toggle switches.
My plane has a few of those too.
Paul.
On 3/12/2014 4:51 PM, Carlos Sa wrote:
> nteresting and "colourful" opinions.
>
> My question was motivated by the fact that switches with this
> characteristic are pretty frequent (mouser, digikey, jameco, etc.).
> Obviously I thought of drilling a small hole and enlarging it to fit
> the required dimensions, as suggested. At this point of my project, I
> have learnt to make holes of any size, any shape. And a few of them
> even end up the size and shape as I wanted!
>
> It's true that making these holes would be a bit of a pain, but not as
> much as the holes I made for the Hartwell latches on my wing lockers.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evD30x62UwU
>
> So, in case I find the switch I want, this will not stop me.
>
> Someone suggested a toggle switch.
> Thanks, but I think they can hurt in case of an accident (probably the
> reason why cars don't have toggle switches on the panel since what,
> the fifties?).
>
> I found that Carling makes some nice ones (Aveo sells them with custom
> design), but I think they are too big - the hole is close to 2' tall.
>
> Folks, thanks for the comments. Now back to building (or flying).
>
> Cheers
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I don't want to be the list police...
But personal attacks are really not needed on this list.
<< Carlos's logic on this point just does not make sense... And you
wonder why the government wants to take away our GA privileges.>>
This is totally uncalled for.
It never ceases to amaze which topics garner the most responses.
Steve Freeman
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fwd: weird hole
GOOD POINT Craig!
Better than GOOD... EXCELLENT!
Carlos's logic on this point just does not make sense. He better do
away with the STICK or the YOKE. After all they are sitting there right
in front of your chest! Mater of fact all planes with toggle switches
should be grounded.
And you wonder why the government wants to take away our GA privileges.
Barry
On Wednesday, March 12, 2014, Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
wrote:
I suggested a standard toggle switch. If I impact my panel getting poked
by a toggle will be the least of my worries ;-)
A few things I don't like about some of the newer, prettier switches:
1. I find them to be more fragile that the classic toggles
2. They are manufacturer-specific. If you break one in 10 years (see
item 1) you may have a hard time finding a replacement.
3. Depending on what the switch operates I like the fact that a
standard toggle has a more positive action. And if it is really
important I can put a guard on it. And if it is really really important
I can put a spring-loaded cover over it.
4. standard toggles are available with many different switching
circuits: single/double poll, single/double throw, center off, momentary
or not.
-- Craig
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carlossa52@gmail.com');> > wrote:
Hello,
Interesting and "colourful" opinions.
My question was motivated by the fact that switches with this
characteristic are pretty frequent (mouser, digikey, jameco, etc.).
Obviously I thought of drilling a small hole and enlarging it to fit the
required dimensions, as suggested. At this point of my project, I have
learnt to make holes of any size, any shape. And a few of them even end
up the size and shape as I wanted!
It's true that making these holes would be a bit of a pain, but not as
much as the holes I made for the Hartwell latches on my wing lockers.
hartwell latch operation <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evD30x62UwU>
So, in case I find the switch I want, this will not stop me.
Someone suggested a toggle switch.
Thanks, but I think they can hurt in case of an accident (probably the
reason why cars don't have toggle switches on the panel since what, the
fifties?).
I found that Carling makes some nice ones (Aveo sells them with custom
design), but I think they are too big - the hole is close to 2' tall.
Folks, thanks for the comments. Now back to building (or flying).
Cheers
Carlos
CH601-HD, CH650 canopy, maybe a Corvair engine?
Dynon D180? Choosing is half the fun!
---------- Forwarded message ----------
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<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carlossa52@gmail.com');> >
Subject: weird hole
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Hello,
Does anyone know how to drill a hole as indicated in this pdf?
http://switches-connectors-custom.cwind.com/Asset/GRB213B03BB.pdf
Is there a special tool? Just curious...
Thanks
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
inspection this summer
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: weird hole |
The list I remember so well is back...
Hey guys!
Sabrina
(21 round hole toggle switches.)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420257#420257
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One problem is that DC is harder to switch than AC. Your switch is AC rated.
I know you are worried about hitting your head on a toggle switch, but I would
be more concerned about an AC-only rated switch causing a problem in flight that
could be much worse than that...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420258#420258
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