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1. 08:26 AM - What's the 601XL's aileron travel in degrees? (ashontz)
2. 08:37 AM - Re: What's the 601XL's aileron travel in degrees? (DaveG601XL)
3. 08:41 AM - Re: What's the 601XL's aileron travel in degrees? (ashontz)
4. 09:23 AM - Re: What's the 601XL's aileron travel in degrees? (LarryMcFarland)
5. 09:26 AM - Re: What's the 601XL's aileron travel in degrees? (ashontz)
6. 04:28 PM - Fuselage width at Instrument Panel (Tim Juhl)
7. 06:13 PM - Re: Fuselage width at Instrument Panel (leinad)
8. 08:01 PM - Re: Fuselage width at Instrument Panel (MHerder)
9. 08:42 PM - Re: Fuselage width at Instrument Panel (Tim Juhl)
10. 08:59 PM - Re: Fuselage width at Instrument Panel (Tim Juhl)
11. 11:03 PM - Official Zenith601-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | What's the 601XL's aileron travel in degrees? |
Just curious if anyone knows, I don't have my plans in front of me.
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: What's the 601XL's aileron travel in degrees? |
Per 6-W-11 (dated 3/06) it is both up and down 11.5 degrees +/- 1 degree.
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| Subject: | Re: What's the 601XL's aileron travel in degrees? |
Thanks! That kind of travel would allow for a 24 ounce counter weight on a 12 inch
bar mounted internally in the wing. Sweet!
DaveG601XL wrote:
> Per 6-W-11 (dated 3/06) it is both up and down 11.5 degrees +/- 1 degree.
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| Subject: | Re: What's the 601XL's aileron travel in degrees? |
Andy,
How about helping out here and using DO NOT ARCHIVE on your posts unless
it's
something worth reading twice one day.
Thanks,
Larry McFarland
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ashontz wrote:
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> Just curious if anyone knows, I don't have my plans in front of me.
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> Thanks
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> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: What's the 601XL's aileron travel in degrees? |
Ok, I keep meaning to put it in my signature thing.
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larry(at)macsmachine.com wrote:
> Andy,
> How about helping out here and using DO NOT ARCHIVE on your posts unless
> it's
> something worth reading twice one day.
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> Thanks,
> Larry McFarland
> do not archive
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> ashontz wrote:
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> > Just curious if anyone knows, I don't have my plans in front of me.
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> > Thanks
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> > CH601XL - Corvair
> > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Fuselage width at Instrument Panel |
Looking at the plans and the photo guide I ran into something I couldn't reconcile.
It looked like the plans wanted the fuselage width set at 990 mm at the
panel face (with the panel web 475 mm from the firewall web, measured along the
longeron) with the ends of the panel 36 mm from the outside of the longeron
to allow for the canopy rails, etc.
Well, the piece that fits atop the longeron and against the panel end (6C1-1)
is only 30 mm wide which left a gap of 6 mm between it and the panel. I asked
ZAC about this and they said the plans and photo guide need correction. With
the panel at 475 mm, the width of the fuselage at the panel face should be 978
mm. At the aft end of 6C1-1 it will be 990 mm. This allows for a snug fit
between the inst panel and 6C1-1.
I'm sure many of you had figured this out on your own but I like to be sure of
my facts before I drill holes. I'm sure someone will run into this and have the
same questions I did :-)
Tim Juhl
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage width at Instrument Panel |
Tim,
My plans show the fuselage as 495 x 2 = 990 at the panel face. (6-B-14) It shows
the panel as 469 x 2 = 938 (6-B-12). The difference is 52/2 = 26 mm. It shows
the Panel Side Angle as 28mm wide. 6-C-1. OK my plans are 2003 vintage,
but at least on these it pretty much adds up. Maybe if I knew where you got
the 36mm from I'd understand your puzzlement.
Dan
> "Tim Juhl"]Looking at the plans and the photo guide I ran into something I couldn't
reconcile. It looked like the plans wanted the fuselage width set at 990
mm at the panel face (with the panel web 475 mm from the firewall web, measured
along the longeron) with the ends of the panel 36 mm from the outside of
the longeron to allow for the canopy rails, etc.
>
> Well, the piece that fits atop the longeron and against the panel end (6C1-1)
is only 30 mm wide which left a gap of 6 mm between it and the panel. I asked
ZAC about this and they said the plans and photo guide need correction. With
the panel at 475 mm, the width of the fuselage at the panel face should be
978 mm. At the aft end of 6C1-1 it will be 990 mm. This allows for a snug fit
between the inst panel and 6C1-1.
>
> I'm sure many of you had figured this out on your own but I like to be sure of
my facts before I drill holes. I'm sure someone will run into this and have
the same questions I did :-)
>
> Tim Juhl
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage width at Instrument Panel |
I'm sure many of you had figured this out on your own but I like to be sure of
my facts before I drill holes. I'm sure someone will run into this and have the
same questions I did :-)
Tim Juhl[/quote]
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Tim,
You are probably on the same page of the manual as I am, I just ran into this issue
tonight in the shop. I think I'll hang back a step or two behind you and
let you discover the problems I am encountering since you have asked MANY of
the same questions that I was about to ask.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage width at Instrument Panel |
Dan,
If you check the panel on 6B12 (DATED 3/06) the panel is 2 x 459 mm (not 469) or
918 mm. Subtract that from 990 and you get 72. 72 divided by 2 is 36 which
explains why the photo guide says to make a mark 36 mm in from the edge of the
longeron on the gusset which should line up with the end of the panel. Sounds
reasonable but if you look further ahead in the plans you will find the problem.
Take a look at page 6C1 in the plans. 6C1-1 sits atop the longeron from the back
of the firewall to just beyond the instrument panel. It's outside edge is
flush with the longeron's outside edge. The instrument panel is supposed to butt
up against 6C1-1 on the inside, BUT the bottom flange of 6C1-1 is only 30
mm wide whereas if you follow the plans and photo guide the gap there would be
36 mm! That is why I contacted ZAC. The actual end spacing should be adjusted
so that the instrument panel and 6C1-1 fit together. IF you reduce the width
at the front of the instrument panel to 978 mm as recommended by ZAC, everything
fits. The 990 mm width will actually be achieved at the aft end of 6C1-1
because the longerons diverge outwards as you go towards the rear before taking
a bend in as you move towards the tail.
Did I do a better job of explaining it this time?
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage width at Instrument Panel |
Dan,
I re-read your email and picked up on the fact that your plans were from 2003.
On a hunch I went to the builder's pages and checked for changes to page 6B12 since
your plans came out. Here is what I found:
2/2005 width of instrument panel changed from 938 mm to 934 mm
7/2005 width of instrument panel changed from 934 mm to 918 mm.
My panel measures 918 mm - perhaps yours does not. In that case, I may be dealing
with a problem that doesn't exist for you.
One thing for others to take from this is that if you buy updated plans you better
check to make sure that your parts match the current plans in dimension if
they were purchased earlier.
Tim
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Zenith601-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Zenith601-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Zenith601-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
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Failure to use the Zenith601-List in the manner described below may result
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Zenith601-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Zenith601-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
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