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1. 01:44 AM - Re: Re: Trim tab play (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
2. 01:48 AM - Re: Re: Trim tab play (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
3. 04:29 AM - Re: Trim tab play (ashontz)
4. 04:30 AM - Re: Trim tab play (ashontz)
5. 04:37 AM - Re: Trim tab play (ashontz)
6. 05:21 AM - Re: Engine mount bolts (P.H. Raker)
7. 05:37 AM - Re: Zenith-List: Re: Engine mount bolts (Juan Vega)
8. 07:00 AM - Re: Trim tab play (Gig Giacona)
9. 07:10 AM - Re: Trim tab play (ashontz)
10. 07:21 AM - Re: Re: Trim tab play (Jay Maynard)
11. 07:34 AM - Re: Trim tab play (ashontz)
12. 08:02 AM - Re: Trim tab play (moorecomp)
13. 09:17 AM - Re: Trim tab play (Gig Giacona)
14. 10:34 AM - xl wing(s) questions (Lee Steensland)
15. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: Trim tab play (Terry Phillips)
16. 11:38 AM - Aileron Balance Video (moorecomp)
17. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: Trim tab play (Gary Gower)
18. 01:09 PM - Re: xl wing(s) questions (Jaybannist@cs.com)
19. 01:54 PM - Re: Trim tab play (Gig Giacona)
20. 06:23 PM - Re: xl wing(s) questions (Ron Lendon)
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab play |
Scott
It might be your front gear that is too stiff. The first plane I built had
the same problem and some adjustments and a lot of LPS took care of it.
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab play |
Andy I have a spare set of hinge less ailerons I would let go for 25.00
each. They were bought with my first kit and I switched to hinge less. They are
primed and ready to mount.
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab play |
Yeah, I'm just being lazy. :) Maybe I'll remake them. It actually didn't take all
that long.
cookwithgas wrote:
> Andy:
>
> The hinge is the .016" skin on the aileron, correct. I would just re-make the
ailerons. You are a pro at building parts now anyway right?
>
> Scott.
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab play |
Hhhmmm, let me think about it. Are they primed on the outside? I was hoping to
do a polish job on my plane. $50 total is a pretty good deal. I could spend that
much on materials alone.
[quote="Afterfxllc(at)aol.com"]Andy I have a spare set of hinge less ailerons I
would let go for 25.00 each. They were bought with my first kit and I switched
to hinge less. They are primed and ready to mount.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab play |
Is anyone using a Cessna style spring loaded front wheel steering instead of a
hard mount on the wheel? I kind of figured that's the way I'd like to go when
the time comes.
[quote="Afterfxllc(at)aol.com"]Scott
It might be your front gear that is too stiff. The first plane I built had the
same problem and some adjustments and a lot of LPS took care of it.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Engine mount bolts |
"Ianrat" <ianrat@powerup.com.au> wrote:
>
> Just about to fit the engine mount to the fire wall. What
> type of bolts are being used (AN or Grade 8 ).
> And are they using Castle nuts or Nylon lock nuts.
Hello, Ianrat, and other listers,
I must agree in part with what Mac already wrote you. Use the AN
bolts. Grade 8 are slightly stronger/harder, but are also a bit more
brittle. You don't want brittle on something that's potentially so
safety critical as engine mounts.
I must disagree with something else Mac wrote. Castle nuts are
good. Self locking nuts are not necessarily bad. Nylock type nuts
SHOULD NOT BE USED on an engine mount. Here's the reasoning: Under
normal operating conditions, some engines don't produce sufficient heat
to present a problem. However, forward of the firewall is the most
likely place on an aircraft to have a fire. If you ever have an
in-flight fire (God forbid), you don't want your engine to fall off the
plane because you used Nylock nuts on the mounts and the nylon melted.
If you choose to use self-locking nuts on your engine mounts, please
USE ALL-METAL ones.
Assuming that heat isn't an issue under normal operating
conditions, Nylock nuts are great in almost all other applications.
Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed
(using all-metal self-locking nuts on my engine mounts)
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| Subject: | Re: Engine mount bolts |
do not use Nylock, it will melt. never use Nylock in the engine compartment. use
either castle nuts, or steel Lock nuts.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: "P.H. Raker" <n556p@yahoo.com>
>Sent: May 13, 2008 8:20 AM
>To: Zenith601-List@matronics.com, Zenith-List <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith601-List: Engine mount bolts
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "P.H. Raker" <n556p@yahoo.com>
>
>
> "Ianrat" <ianrat@powerup.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> Just about to fit the engine mount to the fire wall. What
>> type of bolts are being used (AN or Grade 8 ).
>> And are they using Castle nuts or Nylon lock nuts.
>
>Hello, Ianrat, and other listers,
> I must agree in part with what Mac already wrote you. Use the AN
>bolts. Grade 8 are slightly stronger/harder, but are also a bit more
>brittle. You don't want brittle on something that's potentially so
>safety critical as engine mounts.
> I must disagree with something else Mac wrote. Castle nuts are
>good. Self locking nuts are not necessarily bad. Nylock type nuts
>SHOULD NOT BE USED on an engine mount. Here's the reasoning: Under
>normal operating conditions, some engines don't produce sufficient heat
>to present a problem. However, forward of the firewall is the most
>likely place on an aircraft to have a fire. If you ever have an
>in-flight fire (God forbid), you don't want your engine to fall off the
>plane because you used Nylock nuts on the mounts and the nylon melted.
>If you choose to use self-locking nuts on your engine mounts, please
>USE ALL-METAL ones.
> Assuming that heat isn't an issue under normal operating
>conditions, Nylock nuts are great in almost all other applications.
>
>Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed
> (using all-metal self-locking nuts on my engine mounts)
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab play |
Good God Why?
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ashontz wrote:
> Is anyone using a Cessna style spring loaded front wheel steering instead of
a hard mount on the wheel? I kind of figured that's the way I'd like to go when
the time comes.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab play |
What's wrong with it?
Gig Giacona wrote:
> Good God Why?
>
> do not archive.
>
>
>
> ashontz wrote:
> > Is anyone using a Cessna style spring loaded front wheel steering instead of
a hard mount on the wheel? I kind of figured that's the way I'd like to go when
the time comes.
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab play |
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 07:10:46AM -0700, ashontz wrote:
(re Cessna-style spring rudder pedals-nosewheel connection)
> What's wrong with it?
Ask, rather, what's the benefit? It's not going to keep you from cocking the
nosewheel in the wind, after all. It just seems to me like added complexity
for no benefit, something to always be avoided in aircraft.
--
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab play |
I think the benefit may be easier use of the rudder pedals on the ground. The wheel
is coaxed to turn but won't turn fully til it starts to roll forward, but
it still allows full travel of the rudder pedals til the wheel catches up.
jmaynard wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 07:10:46AM -0700, ashontz wrote:
> (re Cessna-style spring rudder pedals-nosewheel connection)
>
> > What's wrong with it?
> >
> >
>
> Ask, rather, what's the benefit? It's not going to keep you from cocking the
> nosewheel in the wind, after all. It just seems to me like added complexity
> for no benefit, something to always be avoided in aircraft.
> --
> Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
> http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
> http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
> Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab play |
Andy,
Check out how Larry Martin put spring loaded nosewheel steering on his 701. Larry
is a master tinkerer.
http://www.skyhawg.com/petals.html
(yes, pedals is mispelled)
Best regards,
Craig Moore A&P
Mancelona, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab play |
Three reason, complexity, complexity and complexity. Did I mention complexity?
I don't have my engine on the mount yet but I do have a big piece of concrete that
is there to counter balance somewhat but it is not stretching the bungee
at all. I can with some force move the gear stop to stop sitting in the hanger.
I have not put any lube on it at all. I just can't see changing the design for
what is really just a transient issue that will work itself out as the system
wears in a little.
You are also planing to put a Corvair engine in as I am and the Corvair is on the
up end of the weight scale for the 601. You don't need any extra weight out
there in front.
[quote="ashontz"]What's wrong with it?
[quote="Gig Giacona"]Good God Why?
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ashontz wrote:
> Is anyone using a Cessna style spring loaded front wheel steering instead of
a hard mount on the wheel? I kind of figured that's the way I'd like to go when
the time comes.
>
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| Subject: | xl wing(s) questions |
Folken,
I have been reviewing the drawings and the websites of everyone that I can find
that have come before me, and I feel I'm missing something.
Looking at drawing 6-w-00 it gives the basic layout of the ribs for the right wing.
>From what I can tell, not all the nose ribs are the same. The third nose rib appears
to have the flanges point the opposite of the rest.
It also looks like from 6-w-6 that the lightening hole flanges on rear rib # 7
are opposite to the rib flanges.
Finally, although it isn't explicitly stated anywhere that I can find, I would
assume that the left wing is a mirror of the right?
I hope I have captured all the "gotchas" so I can get the wing rib forms finished.
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab play |
At 08:01 AM 5/13/2008 -0700, Craig Moore wrote:
>Check out how Larry Martin put spring loaded nosewheel steering on his
>701. Larry is a master tinkerer.
>
>http://www.skyhawg.com/petals.html
>
>(yes, pedals is mispelled)
>
>Best regards,
>
>Craig Moore A&P
>Mancelona, MI
Craig
Thank you for this post. I've been concerned about the interaction between
the direct link nose wheel and the behavior in Montana's winds, and Larry's
solution looks to be a good way to go.
Terry
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601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
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| Subject: | Aileron Balance Video |
For all interested in aileron balance, I see this was just posted on youtube from
Airfox.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_D4bt0guvM
Best regards,
Craig Moore A&P
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab play |
Probably because in Experimental Aviation, we all are test pilots :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S Strictly to plans built and happy test pilot.
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Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com> wrote:
Good God Why?
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ashontz wrote:
> Is anyone using a Cessna style spring loaded front wheel steering instead of
a hard mount on the wheel? I kind of figured that's the way I'd like to go when
the time comes.
>
>
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| Subject: | xl wing(s) questions |
Lee,
That nose rib is opposite so that the web of the rib is toward the fuel tank, not
the flanges.
Jay in Dallas
"Lee Steensland" <lee@steensland.net> wrote:
>
>Folken,
>
>I have been reviewing the drawings and the websites of everyone that I can find
that have come before me, and I feel I'm missing something.
>
>Looking at drawing 6-w-00 it gives the basic layout of the ribs for the right
wing.
>
>>From what I can tell, not all the nose ribs are the same. The third nose rib
appears to have the flanges point the opposite of the rest.
>
>It also looks like from 6-w-6 that the lightening hole flanges on rear rib # 7
are opposite to the rib flanges.
>
>Finally, although it isn't explicitly stated anywhere that I can find, I would
assume that the left wing is a mirror of the right?
>
>I hope I have captured all the "gotchas" so I can get the wing rib forms finished.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182963#182963
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim tab play |
I fully understand the whole experimental aviation thing. BUT to do it before you
know there is a problem is just silly UNLESS you are wanting to just test different
ideas.
Andy, who I was responding to, has not said he wants to be a tester, he wants to
have a safe aircraft. If a problem is there after he puts the gear on then
fix it. If it is done before you even know there is a problem you won't know if
a problem that the change causes is better or worse than the problem that might
or might not be there.
ggower_99(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> Probably because in Experimental Aviation, we all are test pilots :-)
>
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| Subject: | Re: xl wing(s) questions |
Lee,
Sounds like ya got most of em. Also the main spar end of the nose ribs and rear
rib 9 are not all trimmed the same.
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