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1. 10:31 AM - Flap Controls Installation Question (AZFlyer)
2. 10:58 AM - Re: Full Length Wingtips (PatrickW)
3. 11:10 AM - Re: Full Length Wingtips (Gig Giacona)
4. 12:25 PM - Zodiac HDS on a Jabiru 2200 engine? (heisan)
5. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: Full Length Wingtips (Cndmovn)
6. 01:08 PM - Re: Zodiac HDS on a Jabiru 2200 engine? (LarryMcFarland)
7. 01:56 PM - Re: Flap Controls Installation Question (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
8. 02:18 PM - Re: Full Length Wingtips (Gig Giacona)
9. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: Full Length Wingtips (Jay Maynard)
10. 03:03 PM - Re: Right Wing progress report (ashontz)
11. 05:46 PM - UPS (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
12. 06:19 PM - Re: Zodiac HDS on a Jabiru 2200 engine? (Leo Gates)
13. 06:54 PM - Re: Right Wing progress report (leinad)
14. 08:15 PM - Re: Zodiac HDS on a Jabiru 2200 engine? (Paul Mulwitz)
15. 08:54 PM - Re: Right Wing progress report (Ron Lendon)
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| Subject: | Flap Controls Installation Question |
Builders,
Have installed and tested my flap controls; however, am now ready to tighten down
the bolts holding actuator and other end (6B19-7 connect to 6B19-3). The call-out
on 6-B-19, in the lower left corner dwg. is for a AN5-11a bolt with 3
washers.
After placing the 3 washers on the rod-end CW5-12, I stepped back and looked at
it...doesn't look right. 6B19-3 is distorted open. Can not believe that is
what was intended. Are 3 washers needed? Any feedback would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Mike
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Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com
601 XL, 3300, Dynon
Remember, "the second mouse gets the cheese"!
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| Subject: | Re: Full Length Wingtips |
cndmovn(at)gmail.com wrote:
> ....kind of like the new canopy they showed me.......much easier to install....
Could you elaborate on the new canopy...? Any pictures?
I heard that Zenith now sells Todd's Canopies, and I heard rumors that there was
something in the works regarding the canopy, but no details yet.
The canopy is the only airframe component I lack, and I'd sure like to hold off
buying it if something new is in the works....
Thanks,
- Pat
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Patrick
601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Full Length Wingtips |
Patrick, If there is even a chance that there is going to be an easier to install
canopy kit I would highly recommend that you and anyone else wait for it until
the very last minute. Installing the canopy SUCKS!!!
PatrickW wrote:
>
> cndmovn(at)gmail.com wrote:
> > ....kind of like the new canopy they showed me.......much easier to install....
>
> Could you elaborate on the new canopy...? Any pictures?
>
> I heard that Zenith now sells Todd's Canopies, and I heard rumors that there
was something in the works regarding the canopy, but no details yet.
>
> The canopy is the only airframe component I lack, and I'd sure like to hold off
buying it if something new is in the works....
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Pat
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Zodiac HDS on a Jabiru 2200 engine? |
I am contemplating building a Zodiac HDS with a Jabiru 2200A (85hp) engine in.
I have seen a few references to this combination, but can find no actual performance
specifications.
Has anybody used this combination? Does it still make the 140mph cruise claimed
on the Rotax 912 engine? What is take-off performance like?
I do most of my flying at airfields with a density altitude of 6000' and above,
so it may be a little underpowered?
Thanks,
Justin
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| Subject: | Re: Full Length Wingtips |
I think the difficulty of installing the canopy is what caused the change.
The factory in Canada, that builds the LSA for the US market (they get
finished in the US) and Europe hated how hard it was to install the canopy
so they are making a rolling change (along with some other things you will
likely see at OSH) on the canopy. My understanding is that the new canopy
will show up on the LSA first and slowly make it into the kit. In talking
with the guys at the factory, I was told the canopy is not retrofitable.
Basically the canopy has a fixed front part that does not move off the
fuselage and a swinging part just aft of the instrument panel (kind of like
a sliding RV canopy but with the rear section swinging up rather than
sliding back). There is a roll hoop built into the rear edge of the fixed
part. The rear section swings like the original. It was in pieces when I
saw it since it was prototype #1. What is really nice is the latching
system that has a hooks coming up by the upper longerons that are joined via
a control arm and are operated by a single handle between the seats by the
arm rest.
I have no pictures and all of this was from memory but it looked really
nice. They showed it to me without me asking and didnt tell me I could not
say anything about the mods. However, remember that it was a prototype and
still a work in process. I talked with a group of guys who went up this
past friday and they saw the completed canopy on a plane and said it looked
REALLY nice.
Hope that helps
Paul
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Patrick, If there is even a chance that there is going to be an easier to
> install canopy kit I would highly recommend that you and anyone else wait
> for it until the very last minute. Installing the canopy SUCKS!!!
>
>
> PatrickW wrote:
> >
> > cndmovn(at)gmail.com wrote:
> > > ....kind of like the new canopy they showed me.......much easier to
> install....
> >
> > Could you elaborate on the new canopy...? Any pictures?
> >
> > I heard that Zenith now sells Todd's Canopies, and I heard rumors that
> there was something in the works regarding the canopy, but no details yet.
> >
> > The canopy is the only airframe component I lack, and I'd sure like to
> hold off buying it if something new is in the works....
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > - Pat
>
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183857#183857
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac HDS on a Jabiru 2200 engine? |
Hi Justin,
If you build the HDS per plans, you'd be very disappointed with the
2200A for that altitude. You'd be better going with
a Corvair or a Stratus or the most recent 90 h p flat four Suzuki from
Raven re-drives at. http://www.raven-rotor.com/
The 2200A direct drive depends upon a smaller prop and higher rpms. If
recently, someone were offering the engine
with a re-drive, perhaps it would fly, but you'd be concerned about
overheating, etc trying to pull the heavier thickness wings
etc.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
heisan wrote:
>
> I am contemplating building a Zodiac HDS with a Jabiru 2200A (85hp) engine in.
>
> I have seen a few references to this combination, but can find no actual performance
specifications.
>
> Has anybody used this combination? Does it still make the 140mph cruise claimed
on the Rotax 912 engine? What is take-off performance like?
>
> I do most of my flying at airfields with a density altitude of 6000' and above,
so it may be a little underpowered?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183866#183866
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Controls Installation Question |
I don't have the drawings or the plane handy right now but, as I recall, the washers
should go directly under the bolt head and/or the nut. The flap actuator
lever (6B19-3?) should clamp down directly on the rod end with no washers in
between. The washers just prevent the nut from bottoming out on the bolt shank.
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From: "AZFlyer" <millrML@AOL.com>
>
> Builders,
>
> Have installed and tested my flap controls; however, am now ready to tighten
> down the bolts holding actuator and other end (6B19-7 connect to 6B19-3). The
> call-out on 6-B-19, in the lower left corner dwg. is for a AN5-11a bolt with
3
> washers.
>
> After placing the 3 washers on the rod-end CW5-12, I stepped back and looked
at
> it...doesn't look right. 6B19-3 is distorted open. Can not believe that is
> what was intended. Are 3 washers needed? Any feedback would be appreciated.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Full Length Wingtips |
If Paul's info is even close to right I strongly suggest to everyone wait for it
if you can. If I was at that point in the process I'd be calling Zenith and
asking them for any info I could get on the new canopy.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Full Length Wingtips |
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 03:48:24PM -0400, Cndmovn wrote:
> What is really nice is the latching system that has a hooks coming up by
> the upper longerons that are joined via a control arm and are operated by
> a single handle between the seats by the arm rest.
My Zodiac won't have the new canopy, but it will have this latch. I've seen
it, and it looks like it'll be a lot better.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
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| Subject: | Re: Right Wing progress report |
Cool. Wish I could say the same. I'm probably not going to be able to get back
to building til July or August. House projects. Ugh.
Ron Lendon wrote:
> Got the nose ribs riveted, Aileron Access Cover and the Leading edge scratch
built this week. Spent less time on the net and more time in the Garangar.
Not only did I make more progress, I feel better.
>
> Do not archive
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Andy Shontz
do not archive
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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UPS Air Cargo
Just in case you need a laugh:
Remember it takes a college degree to fly a plane, but only a high school
diploma to fix one; a reassurance to those of us who fly routinely in our jobs.
After every flight, UPS pilots fill out a form, called a 'gripe sheet,'
which tells mechanics about problems with the aircraft. The mechanics correct
the
problems; document their repairs on the form, and then pilots review the
gripe sheets before the next flight.
Never let it be said that ground crews lack a sense of humor. Here are some
actual maintenance complaints subm itted by UPS ' pilots (marked with a P)
and the solutions recorded (marked with an S) by maintenance engineers.
By the way, UPS is the only major airline that has never, ever, had an
accident.
P: Left inside main tire almost needs replacement. S: Almost
replaced left inside main tire.
*
P: Test flight OK, except auto-land very rough. S: Auto-land not installed
on this aircraft.
*
P: Something loose in cockpit S: Something tightened in cockpit
*
P: Dead bugs on windshield. S: Live bugs on back-order.
*
P: Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200 feet per minute descent.
S: Cannot reproduce problem on ground.
*
P: Evidence of leak on right main landing gear. S: Evidence removed.
*
P: DME volume unbelievably loud. S: DME volume set to more believable level.
*
P: Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick. S: That's what friction
locks are for.
*
P: IFF inoperative in OFF mode. S: IFF always inoperative in OFF mode.
*
P: Suspected crack in windshield S : Suspect you're right.
*
P: Number 3 engine missing. S: Engine found on right wing after brief
search
*
P: Aircraft handles funny. (I love this one!)
S: Aircraft warned to straighten up, fly right and be serious.
*
P: Target radar hums.
S: Reprogrammed target radar with lyrics.
*
P: Mouse in cockpit.
S: Cat installed.
*
And the best one for last
*
P: Noise coming from under instrument panel. Sounds like a midget pounding
on something with a hammer.
S: Took hammer away from midget.
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favorites at AOL Food.
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac HDS on a Jabiru 2200 engine? |
My HDS with a 912 UL cruses at 125 MPH (no wheel pants).
6,000' and above might be a strain, I do not know. Hope someone else
can comment.
--
Leo Gates
N601Z - CH601HDS TDO
Rotax 912UL
heisan wrote:
>
> I am contemplating building a Zodiac HDS with a Jabiru 2200A (85hp) engine in.
>
> I have seen a few references to this combination, but can find no actual performance
specifications.
>
> Has anybody used this combination? Does it still make the 140mph cruise claimed
on the Rotax 912 engine? What is take-off performance like?
>
> I do most of my flying at airfields with a density altitude of 6000' and above,
so it may be a little underpowered?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Right Wing progress report |
Ron,
How did you handle the leading edge? Didn't use the vacuum cleaner method did
you? Sound like you're making great progress.
I made some headway on my canopy this weekend. Got the latch mechanism working.
I got wing parts made, but haven't assembled them or skinned them yet.
Dan
Ron Lendon wrote:
> Got the nose ribs riveted, Aileron Access Cover and the Leading edge scratch
built this week. Spent less time on the net and more time in the Garangar.
Not only did I make more progress, I feel better.
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac HDS on a Jabiru 2200 engine? |
Hi Justin,
I have heard several builders proclaim the great performance the HDS
gives with a Jabiru 3300 engine. This engine has 50% more power (and
cylinders) than the 2200. I can only conclude the 2200 is a bit
small for this airplane and the 3300 would be a better choice.
I know it is not politically correct these days to recommend the
Zodiac XL, but it has many improvements over the HDS including a
larger wing and longer fuselage. The wing might be a big help to you
with your high altitude starting point, and the longer fuselage
should provide a better ride - especially in pitch stability. I know
there have been problems, but by the time you might finish one they
will probably be figured out.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 12:24 PM 5/19/2008, you wrote:
>I am contemplating building a Zodiac HDS with a Jabiru 2200A (85hp) engine in.
>
>I have seen a few references to this combination, but can find no
>actual performance specifications.
>
>Has anybody used this combination? Does it still make the 140mph
>cruise claimed on the Rotax 912 engine? What is take-off performance like?
>
>I do most of my flying at airfields with a density altitude of 6000'
>and above, so it may be a little underpowered?
>
>Thanks,
>Justin
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| Subject: | Re: Right Wing progress report |
Didn't use the vacuum method, used the press method on the table top. First banded
then squashed between two surfaces to 58mm stops.
If you're interested, I took a bunch of pictures and posted them on mykitlog.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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