---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/21/08: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:28 AM - Re: Zodiac HDS on a Jabiru 2200 engine? (heisan) 2. 07:12 AM - Re: Zodiac HDS on a Jabiru 2200 engine? (Gig Giacona) 3. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: Zodiac HDS on a Jabiru 2200 engine? (LarryMcFarland) 4. 09:34 AM - Re: UPS () 5. 11:31 AM - Re: Zodiac HDS on a Jabiru 2200 engine? (heisan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:28:22 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Zodiac HDS on a Jabiru 2200 engine? From: "heisan" So it seems no one has actually tried it... I was hoping it would work, because I have an opportunity to get a 2200 engine at a good price. I know they work OK in an HD model, and I was hoping the lower drag of the HDS model would make it a more practical engine option. Oh well - have to hunt for another good value engine. ;-) Justin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184145#184145 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:09 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Zodiac HDS on a Jabiru 2200 engine? From: "Gig Giacona" It's not that they won't work in the HDS but since you said you were based at 6K feet you need the additional power. heisan wrote: > So it seems no one has actually tried it... I was hoping it would work, because I have an opportunity to get a 2200 engine at a good price. I know they work OK in an HD model, and I was hoping the lower drag of the HDS model would make it a more practical engine option. > > Oh well - have to hunt for another good value engine. > > ;-) > > Justin -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184180#184180 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:49 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zodiac HDS on a Jabiru 2200 engine? Justin, I'd like to chime in again. I failed to make the point that the HD has considerably more lift than the HDS. Though the HDS has a higher speed, the HDS climb cannot begin to keep up with the HD. At your altitude, I'd think you'd be much better off going with the HD. With the HDS you'd need to either reduce payload or decrease your pitch to climb and this will negate the higher speed you see in the HDS. If I lived at 6000 ft, I'd sell my HDS wings and replace them with HD wings in a heartbeat. I don't think the Jab 2200 would be a good engine for that altitude in any case. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Gig Giacona wrote: > > It's not that they won't work in the HDS but since you said you were based at 6K feet you need the additional power. > > > heisan wrote: > >> So it seems no one has actually tried it... I was hoping it would work, because I have an opportunity to get a 2200 engine at a good price. I know they work OK in an HD model, and I was hoping the lower drag of the HDS model would make it a more practical engine option. >> >> Oh well - have to hunt for another good value engine. >> >> ;-) >> >> Justin >> > > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184180#184180 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:56 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: UPS OOOOOLLLDD!!! Very old. Attributed at various times to USAF,several US commercial airlines, and Quantas. Go to your room. Botter yet, go rivet something. Paul Rodriguez DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: Afterfxllc@aol.com To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 7:45 PM Subject: Zenith601-List: UPS UPS Air Cargo Just in case you need a laugh: Remember it takes a college degree to fly a plane, but only a high school diploma to fix one; a reassurance to those of us who fly routinely in our jobs. After every flight, UPS pilots fill out a form, called a 'gripe sheet,' which tells mechanics about problems with the aircraft. The mechanics correct the problems; document their repairs on the form, and then pilots review the gripe sheets before the next flight. Never let it be said that ground crews lack a sense of humor. Here are some actual maintenance complaints subm itted by UPS ' pilots (marked with a P) and the solutions recorded (marked with an S) by maintenance engineers. By the way, UPS is the only major airline that has never, ever, had an accident. P: Left inside main tire almost needs replacement. S: Almost replaced left inside main tire. * P: Test flight OK, except auto-land very rough. S: Auto-land not installed on this aircraft. * P: Something loose in cockpit S: Something tightened in cockpit * P: Dead bugs on windshield. S: Live bugs on back-order. * P: Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200 feet per minute descent. S: Cannot reproduce problem on ground. * P: Evidence of leak on right main landing gear. S: Evidence removed. * P: DME volume unbelievably loud. S: DME volume set to more believable level. * P: Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick. S: That's what friction locks are for. * P: IFF inoperative in OFF mode. S: IFF always inoperative in OFF mode. * P: Suspected crack in windshield S : Suspect you're right. * P: Number 3 engine missing. S: Engine found on right wing after brief search * P: Aircraft handles funny. (I love this one!) S: Aircraft warned to straighten up, fly right and be serious. * P: Target radar hums. S: Reprogrammed target radar with lyrics. * P: Mouse in cockpit. S: Cat installed. * And the best one for last * P: Noise coming from under instrument panel. Sounds like a midget pounding on something with a hammer. S: Took hammer away from midget. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith601-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:31:14 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Zodiac HDS on a Jabiru 2200 engine? From: "heisan" larry(at)macsmachine.com wrote: > Justin, > I'd like to chime in again. I failed to make the point that the HD has > considerably more lift than the HDS. Though the HDS has a higher speed, > the HDS climb cannot begin to keep up with the HD. At your altitude, > I'd think you'd be much better off going with the HD. With the HDS > you'd need > to either reduce payload or decrease your pitch to climb and this will > negate the higher speed you see in the HDS. If I lived at 6000 ft, I'd > sell my > HDS wings and replace them with HD wings in a heartbeat. I don't think > the Jab 2200 would be a good engine for that altitude in any case. > > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Airfield altitude is 4500', but typical daytime temps put the DA at 6000'+ (hits 8000' on a summer day). An 80hp Jabiru SP fully loaded at 550kg takes off in around 800m, climbs at 300-500fpm at 8000' DA. Cruise power will give you 90KIAS, or just over 105KTAS at 10500'. So, the 80hp Jabiru motor does work fine up here. The only problem is that I don't know how the drag of the HDS compares to the Jabiru SP. Anyway - I am looking around for a better engine - hopefully I will be able to find something at 100hp+ that I can afford ;-) . Thanks for all the feedback! 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