---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/25/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:23 AM - Re: Tailpipe attachments (A.F.Rupp@att.net) 2. 09:53 AM - Re: Tailpipe attachments (Gig Giacona) 3. 03:48 PM - Selling our 601 XL kit (Jim Dankovich) 4. 05:01 PM - Re: For Sale - Navaid AP-1 Autopilot - New! (jackandval) 5. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: Tailpipe attachments (iflysmodel@aol.com) 6. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: Tailpipe attachments (iflysmodel@aol.com) 7. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: For Sale - Navaid AP-1 Autopilot - New! (NYTerminat@aol.com) 8. 05:47 PM - Re: Tailpipe attachments (Sabrina) 9. 06:14 PM - Problem Solving Ideas (Ron Lendon) 10. 06:19 PM - Re: 1st Solo Today in N5SL (Sabrina) 11. 06:21 PM - Re: For Sale - Navaid AP-1 Autopilot - New! (jackandval) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:28 AM PST US From: A.F.Rupp@att.net Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Tailpipe attachments ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:30 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Tailpipe attachments From: "Gig Giacona" In the certified world this would be easy. You would have to fix it. I'm not sure what the rules are on a factory built LSA. In the WW Corvair conversion there is no support for the exhaust pipes. And I've seen many certified planes that don't have supports. What I'd do is look at a couple of C-150s that have the same engine and see if they have them. I'm pretty sure you can get away without them. The O-200 is nothing if not overbuilt. One thing that would change my opinion on that is if there are mufflers on the ends of the pipes. If there are that is some additional weight hanging out on the end that might need support. Either way you go I'd tell AMD to send you some new mounts just to have no matter if you use them or not. That is the advantage of buying a new airplane. jmaynard wrote: > AMD uses a pair of clamps to attach the tailpipe to the engine mount right > at the cowling. One clamp goes on the tailpipe itself, and the other on the > engine mount tubing. Both of mine on the engine mount (both sides) broke on > the way home; we discovered this when we had the cowling off to change the > oil. One clamp had departed the aircraft, and the other was held on on one > side only and flopping loose. > > Garry at AMD said that was there to provide some extra support for the > tailpipe. My mechanic said that he didn't see why it was there, and he > recommended just leaving it off; Garry agreed that that would work fine. > > Comments? What's everyone else doing? > -- > Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com > http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net > Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) > AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!) -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189778#189778 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:53 PM PST US From: Jim Dankovich Subject: Zenith601-List: Selling our 601 XL kit I just purchased a flying 601 XL; my partner and I have to sell our profess ionally built, 60% finished CH601 Zenith factory kit; dual sticks, optional 15 gal tanks, wing lockers, strobes, wheel pants, Cortec, tool kit all fro m Zenith-.We are the second owners but young families allowed us very lit tle building time..So, our loss ...over $20,000. invested, partner's wife i s pregnant and says sell it or else.- Listed on Barnstormers.com by my pa rtner.- $16,000.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:54 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: For Sale - Navaid AP-1 Autopilot - New! From: "jackandval" Do you know if repairs or support is available for the Navaid now that they are out of business? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189830#189830 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Tailpipe attachments From: iflysmodel@aol.com Hey Jim: congratulations on your new XL. I recommend that you attach the tail pipes to the engine mount using a rubber piece (like a piece of tire) We use this on Alon aircraft to reduce the vibration and increase the longevity. Lynn Nelsen -----Original Message----- From: Gig Giacona Sent: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:53 pm Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Tailpipe attachments In the certified world this would be easy. You would have to fix it. I'm not sure what the rules are on a factory built LSA. In the WW Corvair conversion there is no support for the exhaust pipes. And I've seen many certified planes that don't have supports. What I'd do is look at a couple of C-150s that have the same engine and see if they have them. I'm pretty sure you can get away without them. The O-200 is nothing if not overbuilt. One thing that would change my opinion on that is if there are mufflers on the ends of the pipes. If there are that is some additional weight hanging out on the end that might need support. Either way you go I'd tell AMD to send you some new mounts just to have no matter if you use them or not. That is the advantage of buying a new airplane. jmaynard wrote: > AMD uses a pair of clamps to attach the tailpipe to the engine mount right > at the cowling. One clamp goes on the tailpipe itself, and the other on the > engine mount tubing. Both of mine on the engine mount (both sides) broke on > the way home; we discovered this when we had the cowling off to change the > oil. One clamp had departed the aircraft, and the other was held on on one > side only and flopping loose. > > Garry at AMD said that was there to provide some extra support for the > tailpipe. My mechanic said that he didn't see why it was there, and he > recommended just leaving it off; Garry agreed that that would work fine. > > Comments? What's everyone else doing? > -- > Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com > http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net > Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) > AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!) -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189778#189778 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Tailpipe attachments From: iflysmodel@aol.com Hey Jim: congratulations on your new XL. I recommend that you attach the tail pipes to the engine mount using a rubber piece (like a piece of tire) We use this on Alon aircraft to reduce the vibration and increase the longevity. Lynn Nelsen -----Original Message----- From: Gig Giacona Sent: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:53 pm Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Tailpipe attachments In the certified world this would be easy. You would have to fix it. I'm not sure what the rules are on a factory built LSA. In the WW Corvair conversion there is no support for the exhaust pipes. And I've seen many certified planes that don't have supports. What I'd do is look at a couple of C-150s that have the same engine and see if they have them. I'm pretty sure you can get away without them. The O-200 is nothing if not overbuilt. One thing that would change my opinion on that is if there are mufflers on the ends of the pipes. If there are that is some additional weight hanging out on the end that might need support. Either way you go I'd tell AMD to send you some new mounts just to have no matter if you use them or not. That is the advantage of buying a new airplane. jmaynard wrote: > AMD uses a pair of clamps to attach the tailpipe to the engine mount right > at the cowling. One clamp goes on the tailpipe itself, and the other on the > engine mount tubing. Both of mine on the engine mount (both sides) broke on > the way home; we discovered this when we had the cowling off to change the > oil. One clamp had departed the aircraft, and the other was held on on one > side only and flopping loose. > > Garry at AMD said that was there to provide some extra support for the > tailpipe. My mechanic said that he didn't see why it was there, and he > recommended just leaving it off; Garry agreed that that would work fine. > > Comments? What's everyone else doing? > -- > Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com > http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net > Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) > AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!) -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189778#189778 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:48 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: For Sale - Navaid AP-1 Autopilot - New! Since when did they go out of business???? In a message dated 6/25/2008 8:02:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jackry@alltel.net writes: Do you know if repairs or support is available for the Navaid now that they are out of business? **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:52 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Tailpipe attachments From: "Sabrina" Ask AMD if they will state, in writing, that the clamps are not necessary. It will give you an avenue to pursue if your insurance company uses this modification to decline coverage if something should happen (there are too many fuel lines nearby and a heat muff hanging way downstream to not worry about a crack developing upstream due to a lack of support.) The large barrel mufflers Cessna used on the O-200A have a cross support, other certified O-200A mufflers, such as the pancake exhausts I used, do not, but then again they project down and not back. So too, mine are faired whereas the force imparted upon those long exposed AMD tailpipes at 120 knots can't help the situation. If those clamps are falling off with brand new plugs, can you imagine what will happen to them with the vibrations caused by fouled plugs? Is AMD using automotive plugs or FAA/PMA approved spark plugs? http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=HuhCEX4_Y_I Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189841#189841 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailpipes_167.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:03 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Problem Solving Ideas From: "Ron Lendon" Here is an idea that worked for me today. The problem was how to align pilot holes in an already drilled #21 rivet hole. I riveted my top skin and as I was doing it I remembered the wing locker. I had already drilled the skin and ribs for black clecoes and ended up skip riveting around the wing locker area. Later I drilled out the skip (every other) rivets and had to place and clamp the dzus strips and get the pilot holes right in the center of the large hole. I made a bushing and used it to locate the pilot drill right in the center. All I had to do is setup the lathe and machine a step with a .155" dia in a piece of .5" dia. steel rod about .5" long with a through hole of 3/32"dia. The step is only .025" (material thickness). I hold this flush and drill through the bushing and the hole comes right on the center of the larger hole. Once the pilot hole is in I just opened them in the conventional manner. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189846#189846 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:21 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: 1st Solo Today in N5SL From: "Sabrina" Congrats... get your PP so you can take your daughter with you. The best Augusts I remember are the ones my dad and I just flew where the winds took us... (of course we had WX Worx--it shows TFRs too). Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189849#189849 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:28 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: For Sale - Navaid AP-1 Autopilot - New! From: "jackandval" They went under about a month or two ago. I read that it was 4/23/08. 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