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1. 03:12 AM - DUC Propeller anyone? (Iberplanes IGL)
2. 03:59 AM - Re: Re: Grove Main Gear Support (Cndmovn)
3. 04:31 AM - Re: Re: Grove Main Gear Support (David Downey)
4. 05:01 AM - Re: Re: Grove Main Gear Support (John Bolding)
5. 05:40 AM - Re: Re: Grove Main Gear Support (David Downey)
6. 10:24 AM - parts for sale (Gerald A. Applefeld VMD)
7. 12:42 PM - 4340 Billet Corvair Crankshafts are here! (Brady)
8. 05:26 PM - Re: Problem Solving Ideas (Ron Lendon)
9. 05:48 PM - Re: 4340 Billet Corvair Crankshafts are here! (Ron Lendon)
10. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: Grove Main Gear Support (Jay Maynard)
11. 07:50 PM - Re: Re: Grove Main Gear Support (Cndmovn)
12. 08:54 PM - Re: 4340 Billet Corvair Crankshafts are here! (Brady)
13. 09:40 PM - Re: Re: 4340 Billet Corvair Crankshafts are here! (Craig Payne)
14. 10:26 PM - Re: 4340 Billet Corvair Crankshafts are here! (Brady)
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| Subject: | DUC Propeller anyone? |
Hello friends,
Anyone on this list using a French made DUC Propeller on a Jabiru 3300
Zenith 601 XL combination? I=B4ve been told that the prop rocks. I=B4d lik
e to
know if there a more people sharing this comments. I like the Swirl 3 Blade
with Inconel reinforcement.
http://www.duc-helices.com/anglais/swirl.htm
Thanks in advance,
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
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Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Grove Main Gear Support |
weight! The difference between the two is amazing. I am away from my
shop right now but if memory serves me correctly there is at least a 10lbs
savings.
On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Ianrat <ianrat@powerup.com.au> wrote:
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> Why do they supply a smaller main gear other than the one that Zenith
> supply. (any benefits one over the other)
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191402#191402
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| Subject: | Re: Grove Main Gear Support |
different alloy and temper - Grove material is stronger. Stronger/stiffer
= less weight possible with smaller crossection.
David L. Downey Harleysville-(SE) PA, USA
--- On Sun, 7/6/08, Ianrat <ianrat@powerup.com.au> wrote:
From: Ianrat <ianrat@powerup.com.au>
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Grove Main Gear Support
<ianrat@powerup.com.au>
Why do they supply a smaller main gear other than the one that Zenith suppl
y.
(any benefits one over the other)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191402#191402
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| Subject: | Re: Grove Main Gear Support |
Absolutely, Also a lot more prone to corrosion, something for those
guys in coastal, high humidity, pollution areas to consider.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: David Downey
To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Grove Main Gear Support
different alloy and temper - Grove material is stronger.
Stronger/stiffer = less weight possible with smaller crossection.
David L. Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA, USA
--- On Sun, 7/6/08, Ianrat <ianrat@powerup.com.au> wrote:
From: Ianrat <ianrat@powerup.com.au>
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Grove Main Gear Support
To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 12:32 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Grove Main Gear Support |
and on the down side as well - also extremely notch sensitive as aluminums
go.
Anyone using them should make inspections for nicks and gouges a preflight
thing and treat them like a similar nick in a metal prop. Always dress them
out in the long axis and avoid any sharp changes.
David L. Downey Harleysville-(SE) PA, USA
--- On Sun, 7/6/08, John Bolding <jnbolding1@teleshare.net> wrote:
From: John Bolding <jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Grove Main Gear Support
Absolutely, Also a-lot more prone to
corrosion,- something for those guys in coastal, high humidity, pollution
areas to consider.
John
----- Original Message -----
From:
David
Downey
To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Grove
Main Gear Support
different alloy and temper - Grove material is stronger.
Stronger/stiffer = less weight possible with smaller
crossection.
David L. Downey
Harleysville-(SE) PA, USA
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Sun, 7/6/08, Ianrat <ianrat@powerup.com.au>
wrote:
From:
Ianrat <ianrat@powerup.com.au>
Subject:
Zenith601-List: Re: Grove Main Gear Support
Sunday, July 6, 2008, 12:32 AM
<ianrat@powerup.com.au>
Why do they supply a smaller main gear other than the one that Zenith suppl
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(any benefits one over the other)
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I apologize to the list in advance. Since my accident on the way to
Oshkosh last year, I have been in the process of rebuilding my
scratch-built 601HD. In the process I have made a few up-grades and now
find I have some parts left over. At this point I don't know when or if
I will get the plane back in the air. I thought I would offer them to
the list before putting them on Ebay. If anyone is interested in any or
all, please contact me off list. The prices I am asking are before
shipping. I hope no one minds my listing them here since they are
directly related to building a Zenith airplane.
1. 16 gal. header tank and two 7 gal. wing baggage locker tanks (all
original Zenith) The header tank has a minor dent in the bottom from
when my nose gear collapse bending the firewall. The dent is
minor and there is no leaks. Asking $100 for all three.
2. Transponder and Mode C altitude encoder and mounting tray and
harnass- originally made by the Cessna Aircraft Co. but is similar to a
Narco with manual input dials. It is all solid state I
believe. It had its biannual VFR certification just prior to Oshkosh
and was working normally when removed from the plane. I
have the VFR cert. in my logbook for review. Asking $500
3. One each - altimeter, airspeed indicator, vertical speed indicator,
directional gyro (vacuum driven) - all working normally when removed and
in near new condition. Asking $75 each
4. Flightcom IIsx two place portable intercom with stereo input, 12v
DC power or battery backup. Asking $75
Jerry Applefeld <jerryvmd@embarqmail.com>
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | 4340 Billet Corvair Crankshafts are here! |
Ladies & Gentlemen,
I have just received our first 4340 billet crankshaft!
I am proud to say that the workmanship and the finish are top notch and the dimensions
are all perfect.
Our next step is to send a material sample to an independent laboratory for a material
analysis. This will confirm the alloy and the quality of the alloy.
Assuming it passes the laboratory tests we will have the strongest Corvair crankshaft
available any where!
Here is a picture of the Crankshaft.
Thanks,
Brady
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Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191475#191475
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| Subject: | Re: Problem Solving Ideas |
I was fitting the fuel filler flange and did a little of a documentary of the methods
I used. For those interested take a look at the kitlog entries here:
http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=0&log=59667&row=9
There are eight entries showing the fitting of the fuel tank flange.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191501#191501
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| Subject: | Re: 4340 Billet Corvair Crankshafts are here! |
Looks good Brady. What radius sizes did you get in the rod and main journals?
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Grove Main Gear Support |
On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 09:32:55PM -0700, Ianrat wrote:
> Why do they supply a smaller main gear other than the one that Zenith
> supply. (any benefits one over the other)
In addition to the comments others have posted, I'm told that the Grove gear
sits a bit higher than the Zenith gear. AMD also has theirs gundrilled, so
there are no external brake lines running down the gear legs (though there
are short lines from the bottom of the legs to the brake calipers).
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)
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| Subject: | Re: Grove Main Gear Support |
The gun drilled brake lines is why I swapped my gear out for Grove. Having
the brake lines just "hang out back" spooked me. My Kitfox had gundrilled
Grove gear and it was fantastic. I hope my XL is the same.
Paul
On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Jay Maynard <jmaynard@conmicro.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 09:32:55PM -0700, Ianrat wrote:
> > Why do they supply a smaller main gear other than the one that Zenith
> > supply. (any benefits one over the other)
>
> In addition to the comments others have posted, I'm told that the Grove
> gear
> sits a bit higher than the Zenith gear. AMD also has theirs gundrilled, so
> there are no external brake lines running down the gear legs (though there
> are short lines from the bottom of the legs to the brake calipers).
> --
> Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
> http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
> Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
> AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 4340 Billet Corvair Crankshafts are here! |
Ron,
The Radii are .090". This is typical of High performance Crankshafts so I thought
it should be good for us. I can increase the radii if necessary but I don't
think it will be.
Thanks,
Brady
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Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191534#191534
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| Subject: | Re: 4340 Billet Corvair Crankshafts are here! |
So (by any measure you choose) how much "stronger" do you think your new
cranks are compared to a recently nitride (as opposed to nitride by GM in
the 60's) factory crank. Will you be nitriding yours too? Do you think your
new cranks will still need a fifth bearing?
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brady
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 9:54 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: 4340 Billet Corvair Crankshafts are here!
Ron,
The Radii are .090". This is typical of High performance Crankshafts so I
thought it should be good for us. I can increase the radii if necessary but
I don't think it will be.
Thanks,
Brady
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Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191534#191534
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| Subject: | Re: 4340 Billet Corvair Crankshafts are here! |
Craig,
These crankshafts are Plasma Nitrided.
And can be Cryogenicly treated as well as an option.
Mine will get cryo-ed.
They are approximately 25% Stronger than a NEW OEM crankshaft that is Nitrided,
by conservative estimates.
The necessity of a fifth bearing is a personal decision and application should
be taken into consideration.
I am going to fly this crankshaft without a fifth bearing.
Strength is not the only issue.
Fatigue Life is the issue.
All crankshafts have a finite number of cycles until failure.
These crankshafts have 0 cycles on them.
How many cycles does your GM crankshaft have on it?
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Brady
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Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
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