---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/03/08: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:01 AM - Re: Re: 601XL/TD (Gary Gower) 2. 11:08 AM - Re: Re: 601XL/TD (Steve) 3. 04:13 PM - Re: Re: 601XL/TD (M.Marcotte) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:18 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: 601XL/TD Paul: - Real- Pilots fly- Tail Draggers - Real Bikers- ride Kick Starters - :-)- :-)- :-)- ;-) - Saludos Gary Gower PLEASE Do not archive. - - --- On Wed, 7/30/08, Paul Mulwitz wrote: From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: 601XL/TD There are some down side issues with tail draggers too. Tail draggers have much higher accident rates than tricycle gear planes. The accidents are not usually fatal or even very bad for human injury, but the damage to the planes is expensive. That means insurance can be a lot higher for tail draggers. My own (mostly uninformed) opinion is that tail draggers were never really meant for use on runways and particularly not on paved runways. They are well suited to flying fields that allow takeoff and landing always directly into the wind. I read an analysis on RV's that changing from a tail dragger to a nose wheel configuration added a mere 2 miles per hour to a 200 mph plane. Given all that, I feel tricycle gear is a much better choice. Paul XL getting close do not archive At 06:41 PM 7/30/2008, you wrote: >I would not expect the interest to be as high in the tail dragger >version, but >I suspect that is because most learn to fly now in tricycle gear aircraft. >However, tailwheel aircraft usually have less drag and weight less. While >that might not be as important in many applications, for LSA, it seems to me >it should have a much greater level of consideration. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:08:55 AM PST US From: "Steve" Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Re: 601XL/TD << Real Pilots fly Tail Draggers Real Bikers ride Kick Starters >> I have air conditioning in my Jeep Wrangler so I better not get sucked in to this thread. Do not archive. Steve _____ From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gower Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:59 AM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: 601XL/TD Paul: Real Pilots fly Tail Draggers Real Bikers ride Kick Starters :-) :-) :-) ;-) Saludos Gary Gower PLEASE Do not archive. --- On Wed, 7/30/08, Paul Mulwitz wrote: From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: 601XL/TD There are some down side issues with tail draggers too. Tail draggers have much higher accident rates than tricycle gear planes. The accidents are not usually fatal or even very bad for human injury, but the damage to the planes is expensive. That means insurance can be a lot higher for tail draggers. My own (mostly uninformed) opinion is that tail draggers were never really meant for use on runways and particularly not on paved runways. They are well suited to flying fields that allow takeoff and landing always directly into the wind. I read an analysis on RV's that changing from a tail dragger to a nose wheel configuration added a mere 2 miles per hour to a 200 mph plane. Given all that, I feel tricycle gear is a much better choice. Paul XL getting close do not archive At 06:41 PM 7/30/2008, you wrote: >I would not expect the interest to be as high in the tail dragger >version, but >I suspect that is because most learn to fly now in tricycle gear aircraft. >However, tailwheel aircraft usually have less drag and weight less. While >that might not be as important in many applications, for LSA, it seems to me >it should have a much greater level of consideration. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:44 PM PST US From: "M.Marcotte" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: 601XL/TD They also eat runway lights for breakfast... :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Gower To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: 601XL/TD Paul: Real Pilots fly Tail Draggers Real Bikers ride Kick Starters :-) :-) :-) ;-) Saludos Gary Gower PLEASE Do not archive. --- On Wed, 7/30/08, Paul Mulwitz wrote: From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: 601XL/TD To: zenith601-list@matronics.com Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 10:02 PM There are some down side issues with tail draggers too. Tail draggers have much higher accident rates than tricycle gear planes. The accidents are not usually fatal or even very bad for human injury, but the damage to the planes is expensive. That means insurance can be a lot higher for tail draggers. My own (mostly uninformed) opinion is that tail draggers were never really meant for use on runways and particularly not on paved runways. They are well suited to flying fields that allow takeoff and landing always directly into the wind. I read an analysis on RV's that changing from a tail dragger to a nose wheel configuration added a mere 2 miles per hour to a 200 mph plane. Given all that, I feel tricycle gear is a much better choice. Paul XL getting close do not archive At 06:41 PM 7/30/2008, you wrote: >I would not expect the interest to be as high in the tail dragger >version, but >I suspect that is because most learn to fly now in tricycle gear aircraft. >However, tailwheel aircraft usually have less drag and weight less. 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