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1. 06:19 AM - Re: LSA OR EXPERIMENTAL (Gig Giacona)
2. 06:21 AM - Recently completed Fuel Gauge Question (Frank Derfler)
3. 06:21 AM - Recently completed Fuel Gauge Question (Frank Derfler)
4. 06:46 AM - Re: Recently completed Fuel Gauge Question (Jay Maynard)
5. 07:01 AM - Re: Recently completed Fuel Gauge Question (Jim Belcher)
6. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: LSA OR EXPERIMENTAL (Dirk Zahtilla)
7. 07:27 AM - Re: Re: LSA OR EXPERIMENTAL (Jay Maynard)
8. 08:04 AM - Re: Re: LSA OR EXPERIMENTAL (Bryan Martin)
9. 11:34 AM - EA-81 - Going Going Gone... (Don Honabach)
10. 11:54 AM - Re: EA-81 - Going Going Gone... (Gig Giacona)
11. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: EA-81 - Going Going Gone... (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Re: LSA OR EXPERIMENTAL |
EXPERIMENTAL-AIRPLANE-AMATEUR BUILT is not only the best way to register a 601XL
that you build it is the ONLY way since the deadline for the non-conforming
"fat ultralights" passed earlier this year.
GLJSOJ1 wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Getting ready to send off for the airworthy cert and I am planning to list it
as EXPERIMENTAL-AIRPLANE-AMATEUR BUILT rather than going the light sport. The
way I see it as long as my specification match the light sport regulations I
am good to go. Email me off line if you want
>
> Thanks all
>
> gljno10@hotmail.com
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Recently completed Fuel Gauge Question |
Jim Belcher wrote: *"Someone mentioned the problems on gauging the amount
of fuel in the 15 gallon
tanks. I note that the AMD version has 15 gallon tanks. I wonder how they
did
the measurement, and how accurate their indication of fuel level is?"*
Jim.. It's exactly as described.. in AMD's version of the 601 the emphasis
is on knowing about the bottom of the tank, not the top. Once the tank is
down to about half full, the level indications are quite accurate. When I
first got the plane I got all ambitious and made a dip stick calibrated
separately for each tank. I never use it anymore.
I have a fuel flow device installed that feeds information to the Dynon.
THAT is valuable! After 200 hours I have a sort of "leaning table" built
into my head. At about 5500', for example, 5.7 gph is about leaned out
about right. (Yes, there is a leaning computer in the Dynon too.. and it's
dandy if you use it at least once a week so you remember how the heck to use
it! .. otherwise it's just another darn thing to play with)
I always take off with full tanks. How long you going to sit in that
airplane anyway?
Frank Derfler
Islamorada, FL (The Florida Keys)
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| Subject: | Recently completed Fuel Gauge Question |
Jim Belcher wrote: *"Someone mentioned the problems on gauging the amount
of fuel in the 15 gallon
tanks. I note that the AMD version has 15 gallon tanks. I wonder how they
did
the measurement, and how accurate their indication of fuel level is?"*
Jim.. It's exactly as described.. in AMD's version of the 601 the emphasis
is on knowing about the bottom of the tank, not the top. Once the tank is
down to about half full, the level indications are quite accurate. When I
first got the plane I got all ambitious and made a dip stick calibrated
separately for each tank. I never use it anymore.
I have a fuel flow device installed that feeds information to the Dynon.
THAT is valuable! After 200 hours I have a sort of "leaning table" built
into my head. At about 5500', for example, 5.7 gph is about leaned out
about right. (Yes, there is a leaning computer in the Dynon too.. and it's
dandy if you use it at least once a week so you remember how the heck to use
it! .. otherwise it's just another darn thing to play with)
I always take off with full tanks. How long you going to sit in that
airplane anyway?
Frank Derfler
Islamorada, FL (The Florida Keys)
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(blatantly) immoral at http://mostlyflying.com
Anybody who READS (anybody out there?) See www.greatguybooks.com
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| Subject: | Re: Recently completed Fuel Gauge Question |
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 09:20:38AM -0400, Frank Derfler wrote:
> (Yes, there is a leaning computer in the Dynon too.. and it's dandy if you
> use it at least once a week so you remember how the heck to use it! ..
> otherwise it's just another darn thing to play with)
It's got one beyond the EGT display? I lean for 1380 F in cruise and forget
about it.
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC
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| Subject: | Re: Recently completed Fuel Gauge Question |
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 08:20, Frank Derfler wrote:
<snip>
> I always take off with full tanks. How long you going to sit in that
> airplane anyway?
Assuming that's a question, and not retorical, I've found that, when alone, I
try for as much range per leg as I can get. For me, that means careful
leaning, and flying at relatively low power settings.
I've found that the difference between 100 knots TAS and 120 knots TAS is
usually made up in the time it would take me to let down, refuel, etc etc.
That's obviously more true when I have a tailwind. Plus, at today's fuel
prices, I want to maximize the bang per buck.
Thus, my legs are often 5+ hours. This makes accurate fuel measurement perhaps
more important to me than it might be to some.
One of the positive things about building something like the 601/650 as an
experimental, is that one can emphasize the capability to better match one's
own flying habits.
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Jim B. Belcher
BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Instrument Rated Pilot
General Radio Telephone Certificate
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| Subject: | Re: LSA OR EXPERIMENTAL |
I'm not an expert but I believe you can register as ELSA since the 601XL is
being built as a SLSA by the factory. The down side I heard was that you
cannot deviate from the plans. If you register as ELSA the supposed up side
is that if you sell the buyer can take the weekend class and do his or her
own annuals. If you go EAB you can deviate from plans and apply for the
inspection rating at the same time (no class required). Yes an EAB can be
flown by sport pilots as long as it was registered with the specs meeting
the sport plane requirements, i.e. speeds, weight limit, fixed pitch(or
ground adj.) etc. The so called fat ultralight rule was just to get 2 place
ultralights to comply with new regs, even though they could still be
registered as EAB.
Dirk
> EXPERIMENTAL-AIRPLANE-AMATEUR BUILT is not only the best way to register a
> 601XL that you build it is the ONLY way since the deadline for the
> non-conforming "fat ultralights" passed earlier this year.
>
>
> GLJSOJ1 wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> Getting ready to send off for the airworthy cert and I am planning to
>> list it as EXPERIMENTAL-AIRPLANE-AMATEUR BUILT rather than going the
>> light sport. The way I see it as long as my specification match the
>> light sport regulations I am good to go. Email me off line if you want
>>
>> Thanks all
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| Subject: | Re: LSA OR EXPERIMENTAL |
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 07:02:06AM -0700, Dirk Zahtilla wrote:
> I'm not an expert but I believe you can register as ELSA since the 601XL is
> being built as a SLSA by the factory.
No. An ELSA must be built from a kit *by the same manufacturer* as the SLSA.
AMD is the SLSA manufacturer; Zenith Aircraft Company is the kit supplier.
AMD would have to sell the kits in order for them to be eligible for E-LSA.
One other difference between E-LSA and E-AB: an E-LSA is not subject to the
51% rule.
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC
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| Subject: | Re: LSA OR EXPERIMENTAL |
In addition, the kit supplier has to certify that the kit and assembly
instructions comply with the consensus standards. In other words the
kit has to be sold as an ELSA compliant kit right from the start.
=A721.191 Experimental certificates.
* * * * *
(i) Operating light-sport aircraft. Operating a light-sport aircraft
that'
...
(2) Has been assembled=97
(i) =46rom an aircraft kit for which the applicant can provide the
information required by =A721.193 (e); and
(ii) In accordance with manufacturer=92s assembly instructions
that meet an applicable consensus standard; or
...
=A721.193 Experimental certificates: general.
* * * * *
(e) In the case of a light-sport aircraft assembled from a kit to
be certificated in accordance with =A721.191 (i)(2), an applicant must
provide the following:
(1) Evidence that an aircraft of the same make and model was
manufactured and assembled by the aircraft kit manufacturer and issued
a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category.
(2) The aircraft=92s operating instructions.
(3) The aircraft=92s maintenance and inspection procedures.
(4) The manufacturer=92s statement of compliance for the aircraft
kit used in the aircraft assembly that meets =A721.190 (c), except that
instead of meeting =A721.190 (c)(7), the statement must identify
assembly
instructions for the aircraft that meet an applicable consensus
standard.
(5) The aircraft=92s flight training supplement.
On Sep 16, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Jay Maynard wrote:
<jmaynard@conmicro.com
> >
>
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 07:02:06AM -0700, Dirk Zahtilla wrote:
>> I'm not an expert but I believe you can register as ELSA since the
>> 601XL is
>> being built as a SLSA by the factory.
>
> No. An ELSA must be built from a kit *by the same manufacturer* as
> the SLSA.
> AMD is the SLSA manufacturer; Zenith Aircraft Company is the kit
> supplier.
> AMD would have to sell the kits in order for them to be eligible for
> E-LSA.
>
> One other difference between E-LSA and E-AB: an E-LSA is not subject
> to the
> 51% rule.
> --
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | EA-81 - Going Going Gone... |
Hey Everyone,
The EA-81 Subaru is on its last day at eBay. If anything one is
interested the EA-81 and FWF Kit are currently going to sell for just a
bit over $2,000 as of right now.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150291956
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Don Honabach
Tempe, AZ
601HDS - N601DX
Building for 10 years and going :)!
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| Subject: | Re: EA-81 - Going Going Gone... |
That no shipping is gonna cost you a several thousand dollars.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4641#204641
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| Subject: | Re: EA-81 - Going Going Gone... |
> That no shipping is gonna cost you a several thousand dollars.
Depends on where you live :-)
1 hour 36 minutes left, $2250. Tick, tick, tick, ...
Craig, Utah
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