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1. 12:03 AM - verify#AjE1oTBjIgKe2GejhFAideWLU_8Yd5Fc (reinaldo@evapcooler.com.br)
2. 05:34 AM - Re: props (lwhitlow)
3. 06:01 AM - Canopy Safety (Brian Wood)
4. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: Canopy Safety (Jay Maynard)
5. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: Canopy Safety (Jim Belcher)
6. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: Canopy Safety (jaybannist@cs.com)
7. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Canopy Safety (jaybannist@cs.com)
8. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: props (T. Graziano)
9. 09:52 AM - Re: Canopy Safety (David Downey)
10. 12:27 PM - Re: Canopy Safety (Terry Turnquist)
11. 03:24 PM - That %^#$%& canopy molding (jmaynard)
12. 03:54 PM - Re: That %^#$%& canopy molding (Paul Mulwitz)
13. 03:58 PM - Re: That %^#$%& canopy molding (Floyd)
14. 04:14 PM - Re: That %^#$%& canopy molding (Bryan Martin)
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| Subject: | verify#AjE1oTBjIgKe2GejhFAideWLU_8Yd5Fc |
Assunto: Zenith601-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 10/18/08
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Oh Man I hope not
I bought the Carbon Fiber Ground Adjustable right from Jabriu and nobody said a
word.
I went that way because of weight on the nose I'm using the Jab 3300 and I wanted
to shave a few pounds up front so I didn't have to put the battery behind
the seat
Oh well Its in the box and it's going on the front!!!
OK OK maybe I should mount the engine first! That's next months job.
Larry Whitlow
psm(at)att.net wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Actually it was Pete that told me it didn't work well, so he sold me
> the wood prop when I bought the engine and FWF from him.
>
> Paul
> do not archive
>
> At 08:37 PM 10/18/2008, you wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Rumor has it this particular prop works
> > very well on the XL while the Sensenich composite ground adjustable may not.
> >
> > Dont tell me this Paul as I just bought the ground adjustable one. I
> > thought it was OK with the Jab USA FWF kit from Pete..
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9338#209338
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Here is an interesting video from Brazil on an improved latch for canopies
that hinge in the front. The video admits that they just adapted an idea
from another model, but it looks well executed. Just ignore the chatter in
Portuguese, the video is self explanatory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSBkSyo__XY
Brian in Brazil
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Safety |
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 08:31:02PM -0700, chris Sinfield wrote:
> We can either have a cable system as Jan's one above or an extra lock on
> each side of the normal lock. If you upgrade to the newer canopy system
> you don't need to do this or get a Todd's Canopy as they are 120 thou.
What does the canopy thickness have to do with the canopy latch? Not all of
the 80-thousadnths canopies have the old-style latch. Mine does not.
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AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Safety |
I'm getting really confused in the flurry of postings about the latch. Are we
saying that the old latch design is the problem, or the new latch design?
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Safety |
Adding to what Jay M says, the canopy latch that failed for me was the newer style.
So that alone doesn't "fix" the problem.
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@conmicro.com>
Sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 9:04 am
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Canopy Safety
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 08:31:02PM -0700, chris Sinfield wrote:
> We can either have a cable system as Jan's one above or an extra lock on
> each side of the normal lock. If you upgrade to the newer canopy system
> you don't need to do this or get a Todd's Canopy as they are 120 thou.
What does the canopy thickness have to do with the canopy latch? Not all of
the 80-thousadnths canopies have the old-style latch. Mine does not.
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Safety |
Jim,
Neither latch is the problem.? The problem is the people who do the latching.?
The old style has independent latches on each side.? They need to be pushed down
until you hear two clicks.? If there is only one click, due to mis-alignment
in the installation or just not pushing hard enough, the latch is likely to come
un-done.?? If the opposite latch has been properly latched, the canopy will
not completely open. It can be re-latched independently from the opposite latch.
If both latches are not properly latched, the canopy will probably open completely.
The new style latches are connected and operate together.? The latches can be seen,
so proper latching can be verified. However, if one side is not properly
latched and comes un-done, it can not be re-latched withoug releasing the other
latch.? I can attest to that from personal experience! ??
In either case, a partially open canopy (even if it has the safety tether) should
be left alone, the airplane landed and then the canopy properly latched.? That
is what the AMD POH says.? However, it also says that the canopy will not
rise more than about a foot.? In my incident, the canopy rose to about 50 degrees
and made the airplane uncontrollable in pitch.
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Belcher <z601@anemicaardvark.com>
Sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 9:09 am
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Canopy Safety
I'm getting really confused in the flurry of postings about the latch. Are we
saying that the old latch design is the problem, or the new latch design?
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Last year and over 100 flight hrs ago, my wife bought me a ground adjustable
prop for my XL. I hung my wood Sensenich W64ZK51 on the wall - it still
looks new!
My opinion - The Sensenich EZ Pitch Composite, P/N 2AOJ5R64ZN, is great on
my XL. I have it pitched for climb out of my farm field (need it! -
Tennessee trees are not the FAA "standard 50 ft" ones). My XL has 6x600
wheels/tires all around, so it is a little more draggy than a standard XL.
I can not be sure, but it does seem to be a little smoother than the wood
one.
I did lose about 2 - 3 kts in cruise at the same rpm, but I can get up
faster. Would do it again.
Tony Graziano
Zodiac 601XL/Jab3300A; N493TG; 432 hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: "lwhitlow" <ldwhitlow@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 7:34 AM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: props
>
> Oh Man I hope not
>
> I bought the Carbon Fiber Ground Adjustable right from Jabriu and nobody
> said a word.
>
> I went that way because of weight on the nose I'm using the Jab 3300 and
> I wanted to shave a few pounds up front so I didn't have to put the
> battery behind the seat
>
> Oh well Its in the box and it's going on the front!!!
>
> OK OK maybe I should mount the engine first! That's next months job.
>
> Larry Whitlow
>
>
> psm(at)att.net wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> Actually it was Pete that told me it didn't work well, so he sold me
>> the wood prop when I bought the engine and FWF from him.
>>
>> Paul
>> do not archive
>>
>> At 08:37 PM 10/18/2008, you wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Rumor has it this particular prop works
>> > very well on the XL while the Sensenich composite ground adjustable may
>> > not.
>> >
>> > Dont tell me this Paul as I just bought the ground adjustable one. I
>> > thought it was OK with the Jab USA FWF kit from Pete..
>> > Chris
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9338#209338
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Safety |
that is not chatter - it is usage of the most beautiful dialects of the mos
t beautiful language in the world!
David L. Downey Harleysville-(SE) PA, USA
--- On Sun, 10/19/08, Brian Wood <brianrobertwood@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Brian Wood <brianrobertwood@gmail.com>
Subject: Zenith601-List: Canopy Safety
<brianrobertwood@gmail.com>
Here is an interesting video from Brazil on an improved latch for canopies
that hinge in the front. The video admits that they just adapted an idea
from another model, but it looks well executed. Just ignore the chatter in
Portuguese, the video is self explanatory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSBkSyo__XY
Brian in Brazil
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Safety |
Oh, Jesus!!!
LOL
Terry Turnquist
601-XL Plans
David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote: that is not chatter - it is usage
of the most beautiful dialects of the most beautiful language in the world!
David L. Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA, USA
--- On Sun, 10/19/08, Brian Wood <brianrobertwood@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Brian Wood <brianrobertwood@gmail.com>
Subject: Zenith601-List: Canopy Safety
<brianrobertwood@gmail.com>
Here is an interesting video from Brazil on an improved latch for canopies
that hinge in the front. The video admits that they just adapted an idea
from another model, but it looks
well executed. Just ignore the chatter in
Portuguese, the video is self explanatory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSBkSyo__XY
Brian in Brazil
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| Subject: | That %^#$%& canopy molding |
The rubber molding that goes around the front of the canopy and over the little
piece of metal that covers the canopy arm refuses to stay stuck down on my airplane.
I've attached a picture. The airflow gets under the leading edge at the
left end, and lifts it up. I tried sticking it down with contact cement, but
it came loose on my last flight. Suggestions?
--------
Jay Maynard, K5ZC
AMD Zodiac XLi N55ZC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9393#209393
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/canopy_molding_130.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: That %^#$%& canopy molding |
Hi Jay,
Try Loctite Stick n Seal. You can get it at Wal*Mart - a 1 oz. tube
is a couple of bucks. Look in the paint department.
Good Luck,
Paul
At 03:23 PM 10/19/2008, you wrote:
>The rubber molding that goes around the front of the canopy and over
>the little piece of metal that covers the canopy arm refuses to stay
>stuck down on my airplane. I've attached a picture. The airflow gets
>under the leading edge at the left end, and lifts it up. I tried
>sticking it down with contact cement, but it came loose on my last
>flight. Suggestions?
>
>--------
>Jay Maynard, K5ZC
>AMD Zodiac XLi N55ZC
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| Subject: | Re: That %^#$%& canopy molding |
Jay
Zenith recommends Loctite Stick'N Seal Waterproof adhesive P/N 23782
availabe at Wal-Mart and I have seen it at Home Depot. (Cheaper at Wal-Mart)
I used that and also E6000. I think the E6000 works better.
Floyd Wilkes
601XL O-200 Flying
----- Original Message -----
From: "jmaynard" <jmaynard@conmicro.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 5:23 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: That %^#$%& canopy molding
>
> The rubber molding that goes around the front of the canopy and over the
> little piece of metal that covers the canopy arm refuses to stay stuck
> down on my airplane. I've attached a picture. The airflow gets under the
> leading edge at the left end, and lifts it up. I tried sticking it down
> with contact cement, but it came loose on my last flight. Suggestions?
>
> --------
> Jay Maynard, K5ZC
> AMD Zodiac XLi N55ZC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9393#209393
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/canopy_molding_130.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: That %^#$%& canopy molding |
Your setup is a little bit different from mine, but I used 3M
weatherstrip adhesive and have had no problem. Funny thing is, most of
the pictures of planes I see on the Zenith website don't have the
rubber going down that far. And this picture ( http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/608/60935.jpg
) of the CH 650 from Oshkosh appears to have the lower end of the
molding held down with screws. Since there no need for the molding to
separate from aluminum in that area, I would suggest that you glue
down the leading edge of the molding to the aluminum so that the
airflow can't lift it.
>
> >
>
> The rubber molding that goes around the front of the canopy and over
> the little piece of metal that covers the canopy arm refuses to stay
> stuck down on my airplane.
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N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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