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1. 03:53 AM - Re: CH601 XL grounded in Holland (K Dilks)
2. 03:58 AM - Re: CH601 XL grounded in Holland (Peter Barthold)
3. 04:02 AM - Wing Locker Fasteners (Ianrat)
4. 05:38 AM - Re: Wing Locker Fasteners (Carlos Sa)
5. 06:01 AM - For Sale (Walter Carey)
6. 06:13 AM - Ch650 anti oil canning on 601 (K Dilks)
7. 06:15 AM - Re: XL wing fold in flight (austria)
8. 07:05 AM - XL Wing Fold in Flight (Frank Derfler)
9. 07:20 AM - Re: XL Wing Fold in Flight (jaybannist@cs.com)
10. 08:14 AM - Re: Wing Locker Fasteners (Gig Giacona)
11. 08:35 AM - Re: Ch650 anti oil canning on 601 (pavel569)
12. 09:04 AM - Re: Ch650 anti oil canning on 601 (DaveG601XL)
13. 09:07 AM - Re: Re: CH601 XL grounded in Holland (Iberplanes IGL)
14. 01:29 PM - Re: Ch650 anti oil canning on 601 (skyridersbn)
15. 02:25 PM - Re: Ch650 anti oil canning on 601 (Gig Giacona)
16. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: Ch650 anti oil canning on 601 (Craig Payne)
17. 05:28 PM - Re: Ch650 anti oil canning on 601 (pavel569)
18. 11:06 PM - Re: CH601 XL grounded in Holland (Sabrina)
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| Subject: | Re: CH601 XL grounded in Holland |
[quote="david_a_g_johnson(at)btin"]I've just seen a report on the UK LAA website
forum that the Dutch have grounded all CH601XL aircraft, following a crash
(2 fatalities) attributed to the wings folding.
This is the link to the Dutch report - not much use unless you can read Dutch!
http://www.ivw.nl/actueel/nieuws/inspectiehoudttwaalfsportvliegtuigjesaandegrond.aspx (http://www.ivw.nl/actueel/nieuws/inspectiehoudttwaalfsportvliegtuigjesaandegrond.aspx)
Has anyone any further news on this? I understand the crash was in September.
Dave Johnson
CH601XL - Jab. 3300 - (still) hoping to fly soon.
Do not archive
> [b]
So can we clarify if this was the european microlight version with the .16 thou
skins or the the US .25 thou skin version ????
My lit is on the way and now my wife who reads this is not happy......
k
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| Subject: | Re: CH601 XL grounded in Holland |
Indeed, bad news :(
Here is part of the Message I received today via the German LBA (Similar to FAA):
I copy this because it is written in English language, so no Google translation
errors.
This is the Letter that was sent from The Netherlands Airworthiness Inspectorate
to the German LBA
Dear Madam, Sir,
On the 14th of September 2008 a fatal accident occurred in The
Netherlands with a Micro Light Aircraft, Type Zodiac CH 601 XL. The
Dutch Safety Board released a preliminary report on the findings of
their investigation into the possible causes of the accident.
There are indications that break-up of the wing structure was the cause
of the accident. Based on the preliminary findings of the accident
investigation of the Dutch Safety Board, the Civil Aviation Authority of
the Netherlands has declared the aircraft not airworthy until further
notice. An airworthiness directive has been issued.
Similar accidents with this type of airplane have been reported from
the United States of America, the United Kingdom and Spain.
As the organization that approves the Zenair CH 601 XL aircraft, you
are requested to inform the type certificate holder of this Micro Light
Aircraft of this accident. Can you inform us on actions that have been
taken and/or have been planned to restore the airworthiness of the
aircraft.
I am sending this message on behalf of Mr Jan Dirk Steenbergen,
Director Airworthiness Inspectorate. Please copy Mr Steenbergen in your
replies: Jan-Dirk.Steenbergen@ivw.nl
Yours sincerely,
Marnix van der Heijde
Unitmanager Product Certification
Civil Aviation Authority - The Netherlands
Airworthiness Inspectorate
Best Regards
Peter Barthold
CH601HDS TD
Tail and Wings complete, Centerwing in Progress
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| Subject: | Wing Locker Fasteners |
On the wing locker has any one used any other fasteners other than the dzus type
EG: Cam-locks. If so what type and no. did you use.
Thank you
ianrat
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Locker Fasteners |
I used Hartwell latches. Search the (zenith list, not 601) archives, I
posted a couple of pictures. Also, the URL to a site of somebody else (Andre
Van Den Elsen) that did it.
There are a couple of gotchas... drop me a line if you chosse this option.
Carlos
2008/10/27 Ianrat <ianrat@powerup.com.au>
>
> On the wing locker has any one used any other fasteners other than the dzus
> type EG: Cam-locks. If so what type and no. did you use.
>
>
> Thank you
>
> ianrat
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Selling the following as buying-Piper 140/150:
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(1) Complete 601XL airframe kit w/nav & strobe light kit, landing light kit
& long-range fuel tanks (48 gal total):- $13,000.
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(2) New Jabiru 3300A (hydraulic lifters), in original shipping container sh
rink wrapped, stored in humidity/temperature controlled setting. Out of 2 y
ear warranty on 8 Sep 08: $14,500. Welcome to inspect and borescope cylinde
rs if interested.-
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(3) Jabiru 3300A firewall-forward kit (cowling, engine mount, prop, etc) fo
r 601XL: $3,000
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(4) Cabin heater for Jabiru 3300A: $300.
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NOTE: Heading for Israel (12 hr flight) around noon today.-If interested,
reply via this web site and leave phone number and e-mail address. I'll ge
t back with you on my return.-
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| Subject: | Ch650 anti oil canning on 601 |
Can any one post some pictures of the anti oil canning mods on a 650 so I can incorporate
them on my 601.
I can see in the promotional stuff the fuselage ones but wonder how the wing
ones go.
Do they form dummy ribs like i have seen on some European models or do they run
span wise like stringers between the ribs??
Thanks
Kev
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| Subject: | Re: XL wing fold in flight |
Hello,
have a look on this page: http://www.geocities.com/mgd3/flying/flutter
The damage is like the same on the attached photo from a 601XL accident.
austria
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| Subject: | XL Wing Fold in Flight |
Gary ... in Blighty.. a question for you. You said, "...probably is the
rear spar attach
, i give mine a real good check over before and after flight."
How do you check it? One puzzling thing about this broohaha is that no one
has ever mentioned finding a crack, a wiggle, a squeak, on the ground. If
there was one clue found before or after floight then there would be none of
this endless/useless speculation. How would you check?
Frank Derfler
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| Subject: | Re: XL Wing Fold in Flight |
Frank,
On my airplane, I torqued the attach bolts and put a spot of paint at the base
of the nut.? Flaps down, I can check to see that the nut hasn't moved during pre-flight
inspection.
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Derfler <fderfler@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 9:05 am
Subject: Zenith601-List: XL Wing Fold in Flight
Gary ... in Blighty.. a question for you.? You said, "...probably is the rear spar
attach
, i give mine a real good check over before and after flight."
?
How do you check it?? One puzzling thing about this broohaha is that no one has
ever mentioned finding a crack, a wiggle, a squeak, on the ground.? If there
was one clue found before or after floight then there would be none of this endless/useless
speculation.? How would you check????
?
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Locker Fasteners |
I used dzus because that is what came with the kit and I didn't know any better
at the time. I have since used Cam-locks on my cowling and REALLY like them so
I will at some point replace the ones on the lockers.
Ianrat wrote:
> On the wing locker has any one used any other fasteners other than the dzus type
EG: Cam-locks. If so what type and no. did you use.
>
>
> Thank you
>
> ianrat
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Ch650 anti oil canning on 601 |
List of changes for CH650 wing: L angles added between ribs on top skin. Minimizes
skin deformation when aircraft is in the sun and provides a
nicer finish.
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Pavel
CA
Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
Stratus Subaru EA-81
Tail, flaps, ailerons, right wing done, left wing on the table ....
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| Subject: | Re: Ch650 anti oil canning on 601 |
Here are pictures I took, at Oshkosh, of both the outside and inside of the 650's
fuselage.
I hope this helps,
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David Gallagher
601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08
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| Subject: | Re: CH601 XL grounded in Holland |
Hello Dave
Have you read my posts? If you can find it, let me know and I will email
them off line
bye
2008/10/27 K Dilks <kevin.dilks@liwest.at>
>
> [quote="david_a_g_johnson(at)btin"]I've just seen a report on the UK LAA
> website forum that the Dutch have grounded all CH601XL aircraft, following
> a crash (2 fatalities) attributed to the wings folding.
>
> This is the link to the Dutch report - not much use unless you can read
> Dutch!
>
>
> http://www.ivw.nl/actueel/nieuws/inspectiehoudttwaalfsportvliegtuigjesaandegrond.aspx(
> http://www.ivw.nl/actueel/nieuws/inspectiehoudttwaalfsportvliegtuigjesaandegrond.aspx
> )
>
> Has anyone any further news on this? I understand the crash was in
> September.
>
> Dave Johnson
>
> CH601XL - Jab. 3300 - (still) hoping to fly soon.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> > [b]
>
>
> So can we clarify if this was the european microlight version with the .16
> thou skins or the the US .25 thou skin version ????
>
> My lit is on the way and now my wife who reads this is not happy......
> k
>
> --------
> Austria ...guess where I work!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210472#210472
>
>
--
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Ch650 anti oil canning on 601 |
I just got off the phone with Travis at Zenith, Mexico, MS. He said he thought
he had a picture, showing the layout on the wing for the bracing in the rib bays,
between the ribs I've ordered extra "L" angles and hopefully, Travis will
be able to put that picture in my shipment to me, or in the mail. If he does
send me a photo, I WILL post it here on the website for those wishing to do
this upgrade.
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Larry Hursh (N601LL Reserved)
CH601XL - 100 HP Corvair Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Ch650 anti oil canning on 601 |
You can't have to many L angles on hand. You will use more than the plans show
and in many places not shown on the plans even if you don't add the cross braces.
skyridersbn wrote:
> I just got off the phone with Travis at Zenith, Mexico, MS. He said he thought
he had a picture, showing the layout on the wing for the bracing in the rib
bays, between the ribs I've ordered extra "L" angles and hopefully, Travis will
be able to put that picture in my shipment to me, or in the mail. If he does
send me a photo, I WILL post it here on the website for those wishing to do
this upgrade.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Ch650 anti oil canning on 601 |
It isn't too hard to make your own standard L's in 4 foot lengths with a
simple wooden press break. Pictures attached.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Ch650 anti oil canning on 601
You can't have to many L angles on hand. You will use more than the plans
show and in many places not shown on the plans even if you don't add the
cross braces.
skyridersbn wrote:
> I just got off the phone with Travis at Zenith, Mexico, MS. He said he
thought he had a picture, showing the layout on the wing for the bracing in
the rib bays, between the ribs I've ordered extra "L" angles and hopefully,
Travis will be able to put that picture in my shipment to me, or in the
mail. If he does send me a photo, I WILL post it here on the website for
those wishing to do this upgrade.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Ch650 anti oil canning on 601 |
Have you guys noticed thickness of the rear fuse sides on the picture? It's .020",
601 XL has .025" maybe that's why they added those "L" brackets.
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Pavel
CA
Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
Stratus Subaru EA-81
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| Subject: | Re: CH601 XL grounded in Holland |
To meet the criteria for European "Micro Light Airplane" (MLA) to meet in the
Czech Republic are a number of modifications to the model that made it to the
statutory requirement of a maximum take-off mass of 450 kg could meet A calculation
shows that the mass of the airplane at the start probably on or something
above the maximum allowable off mass of 450 kg
The pilot was the treasurer of the Middenmeer aeroclub, John Ossendorp, who has
had his license for over 15 years. He was flying with Jan Koops who wanted to
obtain his pilots license An internet condoleance register has now been opened
at:
http://www.condoleance.nl/registers/register_10562.html
The build of PH-4B6 can be seen at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaF7V9EkhWA
PH-4B6s maiden flight of August of 2007 can be found at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZLUz4ADya8
A translation of an extensive accident report can be found at :
http://74.125.93.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.gemotoriseerd-vliegen.nl/xoops/cms/modules/dms/file_retrieve.php%3Ffunction%3Dview%26obj_id%3D174&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMarkermeer%2Bter%2Bhoogte%2Bvan%2BHoorn%2Bzenair%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*&usg=ALkJrhhbLgH1HDbzWzCS4GEYWRu7ujvygA
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