---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/31/08: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:31 PM - Re: Zenair Europe's comments on the Dutch accident and grounding (Gig Giacona) 2. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: Zenair Europe's comments on the Dutch accident and grounding (Jim Belcher) 3. 04:01 PM - Re: First Flight (Ron Lendon) 4. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: Zenair Europe's comments on the Dutch accident and grounding () 5. 08:25 PM - Re: Re: Zenair Europe's comments on the Dutch accident and grounding (Jay Maynard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:51 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenair Europe's comments on the Dutch accident and grounding From: "Gig Giacona" So the Dutch government grounds the airplanes without consulting any arm of Zenair and then goes on vacation. Great. Makes you sort of appreciate the FAA. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211384#211384 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:51 PM PST US From: Jim Belcher Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenair Europe's comments on the Dutch accident and grounding On Friday 31 October 2008 15:31, Gig Giacona wrote: > So the Dutch government grounds the airplanes without consulting any arm of > Zenair and then goes on vacation. Great. > > Makes you sort of appreciate the FAA. It makes me wonder if this is overreaction, or if they really found something significant. -- ============================================= Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue. ================================================ Jim B. Belcher BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science A&P/IA Instrument Rated Pilot General Radio Telephone Certificate ================================================ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:38 PM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: First Flight From: "Ron Lendon" Congratulations Jay. I have been away from the list this week but this is good news. do not archive -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211402#211402 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:21 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenair Europe's comments on the Dutch accident and grounding Really? I like the fact they are really gonna investigate it, not like the FAA. The FAA really does not investigate experimental accidents. I have been in a few investigations with the FAA and when it is a certified aircraft involved they do everything, no stone left unturned. If it is a experimental it is a quick once over, pictures and report. Personally I think the Dutch may find something. Don't' get me wrong I own 601 HD HDS and XL plans along with 701 plans and the HD and HDS have never had failures like we are seeing in the XL planes whether they are plans built, kit built or factory built in Czech. I truly believe that too many people are taking the whole 601XL problems personally and refuse to think there just might be a problem. So before we condem the Dutch for doing what they do every year and been doing it for ever, let them have their vacation and then lets see what they come up with. David M. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenair Europe's comments on the Dutch accident and grounding So the Dutch government grounds the airplanes without consulting any arm of Zenair and then goes on vacation. Great. Makes you sort of appreciate the FAA. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211384#211384 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:14 PM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Zenair Europe's comments on the Dutch accident and grounding On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 04:16:37PM -0700, skyguynca@skyguynca.com wrote: > Really? I like the fact they are really gonna investigate it, not like the > FAA. The FAA really does not investigate experimental accidents. I have been > in a few investigations with the FAA and when it is a certified aircraft > involved they do everything, no stone left unturned. If it is a experimental > it is a quick once over, pictures and report. However, the crash of N158MD, an AMD Zodiac XL, was investigated quite thoroughly. The investigation is ongoing. As the first crash of a factory-built SLSA, the FAA and NTSB both went over the design, and the building process, with a fine toothed comb, and one person involved said they were looking for an excuse to shut AMD down. They didn't find one. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) 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