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0. 11:23 PM - Reminder (Matt Dralle)
1. 05:56 AM - 601XL Wing Install (jaybannist@cs.com)
2. 06:29 AM - Re: Polish, Paint OR not (n85ae)
3. 02:32 PM - rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage (Jim Belcher)
4. 02:53 PM - Re: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage (jaybannist@cs.com)
5. 03:01 PM - Re: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage (Jim Belcher)
6. 03:19 PM - Re: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage (Craig Payne)
7. 03:31 PM - Re: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage (Brian R. Wood)
8. 03:41 PM - Re: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage (jaybannist@cs.com)
9. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Polish, Paint OR not (raymondj)
10. 07:28 PM - Edge Distance At Ends Of Rib Flanges (Dave VanLanen)
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| Subject: | 601XL Wing Install |
This is for anyone who might be interested.? It is just the way I did it.
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: Polish, Paint OR not |
CRC Corrosion Shield, ACF-50, and Corrosion X all meet the exact same
Mil-Spec which is MIL-C-81309 III, they all do essentially the same thing.
The Big difference is whether you want an oily mess or a dry film after
they dry.
81309 type III is primarily used for avionics, and light corrosion
protection for things like gear downlock switches, etc. in the military, at
least when I was in. A more long term protective for hardware like
fasteners, etc. Is CRC Corrosion Shell.
I'm not a CRC rep, but their products are in my experience the exact
same products the military is using. ACF-50 and Corrosion-X are not.
Although they all meet the same Mil-Spec.
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage |
A question for the group:
There seemsd to be some level of concensus that a good building order is
rudder, horizontal stab/elevator, wings, then fuslage. There are some good
plans out there for storing the wings until the fuselage is ready.
What ideas are there for storing the rudder and horizontal stab/elevator? I'm
reluctant to just have them laying around the shop.
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| Subject: | Re: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage |
Jim,
The rolling rack I made for my wings has a place to store the horizontal stab/elevator
and the flaps. I can send you a drawing if you want.? I stored the wings
with the ailerons attached and just found a good place to stand the rudder.
Jay in Dallas
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Belcher <z601@anemicaardvark.com>
Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 4:30 pm
Subject: Zenith601-List: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage
A question for the group:
There seemsd to be some level of concensus that a good building order is
rudder, horizontal stab/elevator, wings, then fuslage. There are some good
plans out there for storing the wings until the fuselage is ready.
What ideas are there for storing the rudder and horizontal stab/elevator? I'm
reluctant to just have them laying around the shop.
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Jim B. Belcher
BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Instrument Rated Pilot
General Radio Telephone Certificate
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| Subject: | Re: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage |
On Thursday 06 November 2008 16:53, jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
> Jim,
>
> The rolling rack I made for my wings has a place to store the horizontal
> stab/elevator and the flaps. I can send you a drawing if you want.? I
> stored the wings with the ailerons attached and just found a good place to
> stand the rudder.
Please. Ideas are appreciated. That would at least solve the problem for the
wings and the elevator.
I'm not sure what I'll do with the rudder as yet, but it will need to be
secured. My rodent extermination engineers are very inquisitive, and seem to
push everything over. :-)
Conversely, I haven't seen any mice since they came on the job.
--
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
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Jim B. Belcher
BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Instrument Rated Pilot
General Radio Telephone Certificate
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| Subject: | rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage |
I've seen a number of builders just hang the tail surfaces on the wall
supported by straps.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Belcher
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage
A question for the group:
There seemsd to be some level of concensus that a good building order is
rudder, horizontal stab/elevator, wings, then fuslage. There are some good
plans out there for storing the wings until the fuselage is ready.
What ideas are there for storing the rudder and horizontal stab/elevator?
I'm
reluctant to just have them laying around the shop.
--
=============================================
Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
================================================
Jim B. Belcher
BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Instrument Rated Pilot
General Radio Telephone Certificate
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| Subject: | Re: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage |
Look up. Can you strap it to a ceiling somewhere?
> Please. Ideas are appreciated. That would at least solve the problem for
> the
> wings and the elevator.
>
> I'm not sure what I'll do with the rudder as yet, but it will need to be
> secured. My rodent extermination engineers are very inquisitive, and
> seem to
> push everything over. :-)
>
> Conversely, I haven't seen any mice since they came on the job.
--
Brian R. Wood
JH Manutencao
Anapolis. Goias, Brazil
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| Subject: | Re: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage |
Jim,
Here is what I built.? The horiz stab/elevator hangs from nylon straps.? Let me
know if you have questions.
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Belcher <z601@anemicaardvark.com>
Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage
On Thursday 06 November 2008 16:53, jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
> Jim,
>
> The rolling rack I made for my wings has a place to store the horizontal
> stab/elevator and the flaps. I can send you a drawing if you want.? I
> stored the wings with the ailerons attached and just found a good place to
> stand the rudder.
Please. Ideas are appreciated. That would at least solve the problem for the
wings and the elevator.
I'm not sure what I'll do with the rudder as yet, but it will need to be
secured. My rodent extermination engineers are very inquisitive, and seem to
push everything over. :-)
Conversely, I haven't seen any mice since they came on the job.
--
=============================================
Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
================================================
Jim B. Belcher
BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Instrument Rated Pilot
General Radio Telephone Certificate
================================================
________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Polish, Paint OR not |
Thanks to all who replied. My aircraft is being built for off field
operation and it's home field will be a cow pasture so I won't mind a little
dust. I will look into the CRC products, the dry film seems like it might
be better in some applications.
Thanks again,
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
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----- Original Message -----
From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:28 AM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Polish, Paint OR not
>
> CRC Corrosion Shield, ACF-50, and Corrosion X all meet the exact same
> Mil-Spec which is MIL-C-81309 III, they all do essentially the same thing.
> The Big difference is whether you want an oily mess or a dry film after
> they dry.
>
> 81309 type III is primarily used for avionics, and light corrosion
> protection for things like gear downlock switches, etc. in the military,
> at
> least when I was in. A more long term protective for hardware like
> fasteners, etc. Is CRC Corrosion Shell.
>
> I'm not a CRC rep, but their products are in my experience the exact
> same products the military is using. ACF-50 and Corrosion-X are not.
> Although they all meet the same Mil-Spec.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212659#212659
>
>
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| Subject: | Edge Distance At Ends Of Rib Flanges |
I don't want to ask ZAC too many questions, so I'll try the list on this
question. I am laying out the rivet lines for my 601XL ailerons. The rivet
line through the top skin into the front skin flange and top rib flanges is
positioned at 10mm from the front of the skin (midway on the 20mm front
flange). According to my measurements, these rivets will not meet the
minimum edge distance requirements from the front of the rib flanges,
because the way the ribs are manufactured, there is about a 4mm to 5mm gap
between the front rib flange and the start of the top flange. So with the
thickness of the front skin figured in, my edge distance from the front edge
of the rib flanges will only be about 4mm. I can't come up with a way to
meet the minimum - all I could do is add another rivet, but the plans just
show a normal pitch 40 on the remaining rivets. Does anyone know if this is
an issue, or is it acceptable for this particular edge distance not to meet
the minimum? I know when I built my stabilizer, there was a specific note
that said I did not need to worry about this end-of-rib-flange edge
distance, but I don't want to assume that it applies in all cases. Any help
would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Dave Van Lanen
601XL - tail done, working on wings
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