---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith601-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/06/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 11:23 PM - Reminder (Matt Dralle) 1. 05:56 AM - 601XL Wing Install (jaybannist@cs.com) 2. 06:29 AM - Re: Polish, Paint OR not (n85ae) 3. 02:32 PM - rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage (Jim Belcher) 4. 02:53 PM - Re: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage (jaybannist@cs.com) 5. 03:01 PM - Re: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage (Jim Belcher) 6. 03:19 PM - Re: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage (Craig Payne) 7. 03:31 PM - Re: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage (Brian R. Wood) 8. 03:41 PM - Re: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage (jaybannist@cs.com) 9. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Polish, Paint OR not (raymondj) 10. 07:28 PM - Edge Distance At Ends Of Rib Flanges (Dave VanLanen) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:44 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith601-List: Reminder Dear Listers, Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for my your Contributions during this time of the year. Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free. Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:11 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: 601XL Wing Install From: jaybannist@cs.com This is for anyone who might be interested.? It is just the way I did it. Jay in Dallas ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:08 AM PST US Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Polish, Paint OR not From: "n85ae" CRC Corrosion Shield, ACF-50, and Corrosion X all meet the exact same Mil-Spec which is MIL-C-81309 III, they all do essentially the same thing. The Big difference is whether you want an oily mess or a dry film after they dry. 81309 type III is primarily used for avionics, and light corrosion protection for things like gear downlock switches, etc. in the military, at least when I was in. A more long term protective for hardware like fasteners, etc. Is CRC Corrosion Shell. I'm not a CRC rep, but their products are in my experience the exact same products the military is using. ACF-50 and Corrosion-X are not. Although they all meet the same Mil-Spec. Regards, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212659#212659 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:28 PM PST US From: Jim Belcher Subject: Zenith601-List: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage A question for the group: There seemsd to be some level of concensus that a good building order is rudder, horizontal stab/elevator, wings, then fuslage. There are some good plans out there for storing the wings until the fuselage is ready. What ideas are there for storing the rudder and horizontal stab/elevator? I'm reluctant to just have them laying around the shop. -- ============================================= Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue. ================================================ Jim B. Belcher BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science A&P/IA Instrument Rated Pilot General Radio Telephone Certificate ================================================ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage From: jaybannist@cs.com Jim, The rolling rack I made for my wings has a place to store the horizontal stab/elevator and the flaps. I can send you a drawing if you want.? I stored the wings with the ailerons attached and just found a good place to stand the rudder. Jay in Dallas Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Jim Belcher Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 4:30 pm Subject: Zenith601-List: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage A question for the group: There seemsd to be some level of concensus that a good building order is rudder, horizontal stab/elevator, wings, then fuslage. There are some good plans out there for storing the wings until the fuselage is ready. What ideas are there for storing the rudder and horizontal stab/elevator? I'm reluctant to just have them laying around the shop. -- ============================================= Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue. ================================================ Jim B. Belcher BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science A&P/IA Instrument Rated Pilot General Radio Telephone Certificate ================================================ ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:03 PM PST US From: Jim Belcher Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage On Thursday 06 November 2008 16:53, jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > Jim, > > The rolling rack I made for my wings has a place to store the horizontal > stab/elevator and the flaps. I can send you a drawing if you want.? I > stored the wings with the ailerons attached and just found a good place to > stand the rudder. Please. Ideas are appreciated. That would at least solve the problem for the wings and the elevator. I'm not sure what I'll do with the rudder as yet, but it will need to be secured. My rodent extermination engineers are very inquisitive, and seem to push everything over. :-) Conversely, I haven't seen any mice since they came on the job. -- ============================================= Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue. ================================================ Jim B. Belcher BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science A&P/IA Instrument Rated Pilot General Radio Telephone Certificate ================================================ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:28 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage I've seen a number of builders just hang the tail surfaces on the wall supported by straps. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Belcher Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:31 PM Subject: Zenith601-List: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage A question for the group: There seemsd to be some level of concensus that a good building order is rudder, horizontal stab/elevator, wings, then fuslage. There are some good plans out there for storing the wings until the fuselage is ready. What ideas are there for storing the rudder and horizontal stab/elevator? I'm reluctant to just have them laying around the shop. -- ============================================= Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue. ================================================ Jim B. Belcher BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science A&P/IA Instrument Rated Pilot General Radio Telephone Certificate ================================================ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage From: "Brian R. Wood" Look up. Can you strap it to a ceiling somewhere? > Please. Ideas are appreciated. That would at least solve the problem for > the > wings and the elevator. > > I'm not sure what I'll do with the rudder as yet, but it will need to be > secured. My rodent extermination engineers are very inquisitive, and > seem to > push everything over. :-) > > Conversely, I haven't seen any mice since they came on the job. -- Brian R. Wood JH Manutencao Anapolis. Goias, Brazil ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage From: jaybannist@cs.com Jim, Here is what I built.? The horiz stab/elevator hangs from nylon straps.? Let me know if you have questions. Jay in Dallas -----Original Message----- From: Jim Belcher Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 4:57 pm Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: rudder, horiz stab/elevator storage On Thursday 06 November 2008 16:53, jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > Jim, > > The rolling rack I made for my wings has a place to store the horizontal > stab/elevator and the flaps. I can send you a drawing if you want.? I > stored the wings with the ailerons attached and just found a good place to > stand the rudder. Please. Ideas are appreciated. That would at least solve the problem for the wings and the elevator. I'm not sure what I'll do with the rudder as yet, but it will need to be secured. My rodent extermination engineers are very inquisitive, and seem to push everything over. :-) Conversely, I haven't seen any mice since they came on the job. -- ============================================= Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue. ================================================ Jim B. Belcher BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science A&P/IA Instrument Rated Pilot General Radio Telephone Certificate ================================================ ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:31 PM PST US From: "raymondj" Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Re: Polish, Paint OR not Thanks to all who replied. My aircraft is being built for off field operation and it's home field will be a cow pasture so I won't mind a little dust. I will look into the CRC products, the dry film seems like it might be better in some applications. Thanks again, Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst." do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "n85ae" Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:28 AM Subject: Zenith601-List: Re: Polish, Paint OR not > > CRC Corrosion Shield, ACF-50, and Corrosion X all meet the exact same > Mil-Spec which is MIL-C-81309 III, they all do essentially the same thing. > The Big difference is whether you want an oily mess or a dry film after > they dry. > > 81309 type III is primarily used for avionics, and light corrosion > protection for things like gear downlock switches, etc. in the military, > at > least when I was in. A more long term protective for hardware like > fasteners, etc. Is CRC Corrosion Shell. > > I'm not a CRC rep, but their products are in my experience the exact > same products the military is using. ACF-50 and Corrosion-X are not. > Although they all meet the same Mil-Spec. > > Regards, > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212659#212659 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 4:59 PM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:54 PM PST US From: "Dave VanLanen" Subject: Zenith601-List: Edge Distance At Ends Of Rib Flanges I don't want to ask ZAC too many questions, so I'll try the list on this question. I am laying out the rivet lines for my 601XL ailerons. The rivet line through the top skin into the front skin flange and top rib flanges is positioned at 10mm from the front of the skin (midway on the 20mm front flange). According to my measurements, these rivets will not meet the minimum edge distance requirements from the front of the rib flanges, because the way the ribs are manufactured, there is about a 4mm to 5mm gap between the front rib flange and the start of the top flange. So with the thickness of the front skin figured in, my edge distance from the front edge of the rib flanges will only be about 4mm. I can't come up with a way to meet the minimum - all I could do is add another rivet, but the plans just show a normal pitch 40 on the remaining rivets. Does anyone know if this is an issue, or is it acceptable for this particular edge distance not to meet the minimum? I know when I built my stabilizer, there was a specific note that said I did not need to worry about this end-of-rib-flange edge distance, but I don't want to assume that it applies in all cases. Any help would be appreciated. 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