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0. 12:48 AM - What's My Contribution Used For? (Matt Dralle)
1. 01:05 PM - Flap Switch Wiring (Bill Pagan)
2. 02:08 PM - Re: Flap Switch Wiring (Dirk Zahtilla)
3. 02:20 PM - Re: Flap Switch Wiring (jaybannist@cs.com)
4. 02:36 PM - Re: Flap Switch Wiring (Craig Payne)
5. 02:49 PM - Re: Flap Switch Wiring (eddies)
6. 02:59 PM - Re: All 601XL grounded in Netherlands (Jugle)
7. 03:07 PM - Re: Flap Switch Wiring (Craig Payne)
8. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: All 601XL grounded in Netherlands (LarryMcFarland)
9. 05:24 PM - Re: Flap Switch Wiring (Dirk Zahtilla)
10. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: All 601XL grounded in Netherlands (Terry Phillips)
11. 07:26 PM - Gasolator and Fuel pump location (AZFlyer)
12. 07:36 PM - Re: Gasolator and Fuel pump location (Jay Maynard)
13. 07:54 PM - Re: Gasolator and Fuel pump location (Paul Mulwitz)
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| Subject: | Flap Switch Wiring |
OK, my stupid factor is in high gear today.- I'm having difficulty with
the flap switch wiring as shown on 6B-20.- I've attached a copy.-
Somebody help me out, as I can't seem to get it right.- I see that the
black wire from the flap motor goes to the #1 lug.- Red goes to number
3 lug.- Ground goes to #2.- Hot wire from the buss goes to 5 Beyond
that I get confused.- I've attached the diagram.
Bill Pagan
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Switch Wiring |
Hi Bill, You forgot to ask a question... If you want, call me at
775-671-0852 and I'll talk you through the wiring here.
Essentially the ground section of the switch is traded with the power
section to reverse the direction of the motor, and the limit switches
interupt the power whenever they are used on the power side.
I'd like to know why your plans, from 2005 have the limit switches and
my plans from 2008 do not?
Dirk Z. Carson City
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Pagan
To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 1:05 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Flap Switch Wiring
OK, my stupid factor is in high gear today. I'm having
difficulty with the flap switch wiring as shown on 6B-20. I've attached
a copy. Somebody help me out, as I can't seem to get it right. I see
that the black wire from the flap motor goes to the #1 lug. Red goes to
number 3 lug. Ground goes to #2. Hot wire from the buss goes to 5
Beyond that I get confused. I've attached the diagram.
Bill Pagan
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Switch Wiring |
Dirk,
There was a change in the flap actuation system.? The older system has the flap
motor drive a screw which extends the actuator tube and the actuator arm.? The
tube has a collar at the screw end that actuates the limit switches. I don't
know that much about the newer system, but understand that it is called a "linear
actuator" and does away with the limit switches.
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Dirk Zahtilla <ideaz1@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Flap Switch Wiring
Hi Bill, You forgot to ask a question... If you
want, call me at 775-671-0852 and I'll talk you through the wiring
here.
?
Essentially the ground section of the switch is
traded with the power section to reverse the direction of the motor, and the
limit switches interupt the power whenever they are used on the power
side.
?
I'd like to know why your plans, from 2005 have the
limit switches and my plans from 2008 do not?
Dirk Z. Carson City
?
----- Original Message -----
From:
Bill Pagan
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 1:05
PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Flap Switch
Wiring
OK, my stupid factor is in high gear today.? I'm
having difficulty with the flap switch wiring as shown on 6B-20.?
I've attached a copy.? Somebody help me out, as I can't seem to get
it right.? I see that the black wire from the flap motor goes to
the #1 lug.? Red goes to number 3 lug.? Ground goes to
#2.? Hot wire from the buss goes to 5 Beyond that I get
confused.? I've attached the diagram.
Bill Pagan
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| Subject: | Flap Switch Wiring |
> I'd like to know why your plans, from 2005 have the limit switches and my
plans from 2008 do not?
Because Zenith replaced the "open" flap actuator (with exposed
micro-switches that you have to wire yourself) with a "sealed" unit where
the limits switches are hidden and pre-wired (picture attached). Also unless
there is some adjustment inside the casing on the new style actuator there
is no adjustment.
Plans page for new style actuator here:
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6b19.pdf
Photo guide showing old style actuator here:
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-b-19.pdf
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Switch Wiring |
Hi Bill,
Sorry if this is stating the obvious...
Start with your flap switch (the one you will mount in the panel of your aircraft),
it can be oriented in any direction, just choose a set of contacts that will
be your up and the other to be your down position and stick with this for
all the wiring you do. This will all be done looking at the back of the switch.
Your limit switches should be labeled to indicate which is the common, normally
open (NO) and normally closed (NC) connections. If not use a multi meter set
to ohms to determine the orientation.
Start your wiring by connecting your Black or negative wires first;
1. Black wire (aircraft ground) to pin 2 of your flap switch (center right hand
pin on your flap switch)
2. Black wire from pin 1 of the flap switch (bottom right hand pin) to the normally
closed pin of the flap UP limit switch, this will be the switch that is closest
to your pilots seat.
3. Run the black wire from the flap motor back to normally closed pin on the same
limit switch we just wired in step 2 above.
4. Black wire (aircraft ground) from pin 3 (top right pin of your flap switch)
to the common pin of the flap down limit switch (this switch should be the one
furthest from your pilots seat).
5. Run the red wire from you flap motor back to the same common pin that was connected
in step 4 above.
Now we run the 12V positive wiring
1. Red wire (from aircraft 12V buss) to pin 5 of your flap switch (center left
hand pin).
2. Run a Red wire from pin 4 (bottom left hand pin on your flap switch) to the
normally closed pin of the flap down limit switch farthest from your pilot seat.
3. Run a Red wire from pin 6 (top left pin) of your flap switch to the common pin
of the flap up limit switch, this is the switch closest to your pilots seat.
Thats it you should be done and have a working set of flaps.
Cheers
Eddie
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214594#214594
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| Subject: | Re: All 601XL grounded in Netherlands |
Can someone please clarify?
As I understand it the CZAW 601s have a lower MTOW and are built from lighter material
in some areas, correct?
So, obviously the cable tensions need to be correct regardless, but does this mean
the CZAW versions are more susceptible to the problem?
Glenn.
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Glenn Andressen
601XL- Rudder, Stabiliser partially completed, Wing ribs, nose ribs done, numerous
other parts made.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214595#214595
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| Subject: | Flap Switch Wiring |
Here is what is inside the new flap actuator. The position of the limit
switch nearest the motor is fixed but the one away from the motor is mounted
on a circuit board that is glued into a channel. If you reglued it you could
decrease the travel by up to about 0.5 inches. From the factory the travel
is 2 and 1/8th inches or 54mm.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:36 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Flap Switch Wiring
> I'd like to know why your plans, from 2005 have the limit switches and my
plans from 2008 do not?
Because Zenith replaced the "open" flap actuator (with exposed
micro-switches that you have to wire yourself) with a "sealed" unit where
the limits switches are hidden and pre-wired (picture attached). Also unless
there is some adjustment inside the casing on the new style actuator there
is no adjustment.
Plans page for new style actuator here:
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6b19.pdf
Photo guide showing old style actuator here:
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-b-19.pdf
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: All 601XL grounded in Netherlands |
Glenn,
You are correct about the materials and MTOW, so would it not be more a
risk to those who would load to US standards by mistake or assume the
aircraft
to be the same after the fact. This would be easier to understand if
they used Internet to read Zenith specifications. The casual thought that
these aircraft were the same construction might be a dangerous one for
the European built and Mfg aircraft.
Doubt cable tensions had anything to do with the problems nor a solution
for the problems of concern either.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Jugle wrote:
>
> Can someone please clarify?
>
> As I understand it the CZAW 601s have a lower MTOW and are built from lighter
material in some areas, correct?
>
> So, obviously the cable tensions need to be correct regardless, but does this
mean the CZAW versions are more susceptible to the problem?
>
> Glenn.
>
> --------
> Glenn Andressen
> 601XL- Rudder, Stabiliser partially completed, Wing ribs, nose ribs done, numerous
other parts made.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Switch Wiring |
Thanks for the info about the new actuator!
Dirk
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Flap Switch Wiring
Here is what is inside the new flap actuator. The position of the
limit switch nearest the motor is fixed but the one away from the motor
is mounted on a circuit board that is glued into a channel. If you
reglued it you could decrease the travel by up to about 0.5 inches. From
the factory the travel is 2 and 1/8th inches or 54mm.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Payne
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:36 PM
To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: Flap Switch Wiring
> I'd like to know why your plans, from 2005 have the limit switches
and my plans from 2008 do not?
Because Zenith replaced the "open" flap actuator (with exposed
micro-switches that you have to wire yourself) with a "sealed" unit
where the limits switches are hidden and pre-wired (picture attached).
Also unless there is some adjustment inside the casing on the new style
actuator there is no adjustment.
Plans page for new style actuator here:
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6b19.pdf
Photo guide showing old style actuator here:
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-b-19.pdf
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: All 601XL grounded in Netherlands |
Glenn
You are right. CZAW 601XL's are lighter. But, they are lighter in only one
place: The landing gear.
CZAW used the composite gear sold by Aircraft Spruce. The Aircraft Spruce
landing gear is limited to 550 kg gross, which is less than the Zenair 600
kg (1320 lb) gross. However, I believe that some of the CZAW 601XL's that
made it to the US were registered with 600 kg gross. See:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/compositelg.php
Other than that, CZAW 601XL's are identical or even beefed up a bit
compared to the standard Zenair 601XL. I believe that all CZAW 601XL's use
the piano hinged aileron and incorporate the electric aileron trim option.
In fact, I believe that if you check with someone who owns a CZAW 601XL,
you'll find that the aileron piano hinge has been beefed up beyond the
standard Zenair piano hinge.
So, if the cable tension is more critical for the CZAW built 601XL's than
for the Zenair 601XL's (personally, I do not believe that it is), the
difference would evidently lie in the hinges or the trim option. (Note that
not all Zenair 601XL's have piano hinges or aileron trim tabs, while all
CZAW 601XL's apparently have those options.)
Terry
At 02:59 PM 11/16/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>Can someone please clarify?
>
>As I understand it the CZAW 601s have a lower MTOW and are built from
>lighter material in some areas, correct?
>
>So, obviously the cable tensions need to be correct regardless, but does
>this mean the CZAW versions are more susceptible to the problem?
>
>Glenn
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Gasolator and Fuel pump location |
Has anybody installed their gasolator and/or electric fuel pump on fwd side of
firewall?
In one of Bingelis' how-to books he comments that most often this is where those
are installed; but the materials with the 601XL and many builders feel it necessary
to put a big hole in floor of the cockpit and plumb the gasolator in there.
Would like to hear from some of you with experience in this area...
Thanks,
Mike
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Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com
601 XL, 3300, Dynon
Remember, "the second mouse gets the cheese"!
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| Subject: | Re: Gasolator and Fuel pump location |
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 07:26:08PM -0800, AZFlyer wrote:
> Has anybody installed their gasolator and/or electric fuel pump on fwd
> side of firewall?
AMD mounts the electric fuel pump on the forward side of the firewall, and
the gascolator a little ways aft of it. (I think. It's in the center of the
fuselage, and you have to get under and behind the leading edge to get to
it.)
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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| Subject: | Re: Gasolator and Fuel pump location |
I put the fuel pump on the firewall, but the gascolator on the cabin
floor as indicated on the drawings.
The gascolator needs to be at the lowest point of the fuel system,
and I don't think you can do that forward of the firewall.
Paul
XL getting close
At 07:26 PM 11/16/2008, you wrote:
>Has anybody installed their gasolator and/or electric fuel pump on
>fwd side of firewall?
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