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0. 12:32 AM - Behind By 21% - Advertising May Be Needed...? (Matt Dralle)
1. 05:35 AM - Re: Off and running! (sdthatcher)
2. 05:44 AM - Re: Progress report (sdthatcher)
3. 06:06 AM - Filling the rivet centre (K Dilks)
4. 06:18 AM - Re: Filling the rivet centre (Jim Belcher)
5. 06:24 AM - Re: Filling the rivet centre (ZodieRocket)
6. 06:29 AM - Re: Filling the rivet centre (jaybannist@cs.com)
7. 06:41 AM - Re: Filling the rivet centre (Jim Belcher)
8. 07:24 AM - Re: Progress report (TxDave)
9. 10:35 AM - (Southern Reflections)
10. 02:18 PM - Re: Filling the rivet centre (Gig Giacona)
11. 02:21 PM - Re: Progress report (Gig Giacona)
12. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: Filling the rivet centre (Jim Belcher)
13. 06:36 PM - Re: Off and running! (Ron Lendon)
14. 06:43 PM - Re: Progress report (Ron Lendon)
15. 07:03 PM - Gust Lock (Ron Lendon)
16. 07:04 PM - Center Y stick (Terry Turnquist)
17. 09:27 PM - Plexiglass Scratch Repair... (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Behind By 21% - Advertising May Be Needed...? |
Dear Listers,
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| Subject: | Re: Off and running! |
Congratulations Jim! Now the journey begins. And it's more fun than you can ever
imagine.
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Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA
N601EL, http://placestofly.com , EAA203
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| Subject: | Re: Progress report |
That first wing is a real accomplishment! I remember how frustrating it seemed
at the time trying to get the fiberglass Hoerner tips into alignment with the
curvature of the wing and what a complete non-issue it was once the plane was
finished! Again Congratulations.
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Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA
N601EL, http://placestofly.com , EAA203
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| Subject: | Filling the rivet centre |
Do any one fill the centre of the pulled rivets with somthing like PRC or an expoxy?
I ask as they filled on the wing of a Eurostar, so the centre is sealed of from
water ( so they say , but does look alot better )
Thoughts please as there are alot !
Kevin
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Austria .............
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| Subject: | Re: Filling the rivet centre |
On Thursday 20 November 2008 08:06, K Dilks wrote:
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> Do any one fill the centre of the pulled rivets with somthing like PRC or
> an expoxy? I ask as they filled on the wing of a Eurostar, so the centre is
> sealed of from water ( so they say , but does look alot better )
>
> Thoughts please as there are alot !
This is a subject that interests me also. Some thoughts:
1) I suspect paint would keep the water out.
2) Those pulled heads aren't attractive. I saw a 601XL at Sun N Fun which
looked really great, except for those pulled heads! They were a real
detractor to the looks.
3) Anything that fills the head gradually adds to the weight, which is not
good.
Is it worth doing a test in a relatively controlled environment? That is, take
a sheet of aluminum, drill some holes, and pull a handfull of rivets. Fill
each rivet with a candidate product, and see how they fare.
Thoughts? Comments? It may be so nit-noy it isn't worth doing, but I sure
don't like the appearance of those heads.
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
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Jim B. Belcher
BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Instrument Rated Pilot
General Radio Telephone Certificate
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| Subject: | Filling the rivet centre |
Painting your plane will fill in the rivets to seal out the water, for
the most part. Filling every rivet hole with epoxy or other material is
hugely time consuming, taking away from your flying. It does look great
right after you paint your plane. However this does not last, over time
with flexing, landings, small children, ( they can be blamed for
everything) those fillings will pop out leave unsightly holes in your
paint job. Better to just paint and move on.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac CH650 C-GOXL, CH701 Rotax 912,
STOL CH750 Just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K Dilks
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:06 AM
Subject: Zenith601-List: Filling the rivet centre
Do any one fill the centre of the pulled rivets with somthing like PRC
or an expoxy?
I ask as they filled on the wing of a Eurostar, so the centre is sealed
of from water ( so they say , but does look alot better )
Thoughts please as there are alot !
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: Filling the rivet centre |
If appearance is really that much of an issue, why not go all the way, replace
all the rivets with flush rivets and fill all the holes?
Just a thought.? It really doesn't concern me one bit, 'cause I built an airplane,
not a museum piece.
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
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From: Jim Belcher <z601@anemicaardvark.com>
Sent: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 8:19 am
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: Filling the rivet centre
On Thursday 20 November 2008 08:06, K Dilks wrote:
>
> Do any one fill the centre of the pulled rivets with somthing like PRC or
> an expoxy? I ask as they filled on the wing of a Eurostar, so the centre is
> sealed of from water ( so they say , but does look alot better )
>
> Thoughts please as there are alot !
This is a subject that interests me also. Some thoughts:
1) I suspect paint would keep the water out.
2) Those pulled heads aren't attractive. I saw a 601XL at Sun N Fun which
looked really great, except for those pulled heads! They were a real
detractor to the looks.
3) Anything that fills the head gradually adds to the weight, which is not
good.
Is it worth doing a test in a relatively controlled environment? That is, take
a sheet of aluminum, drill some holes, and pull a handfull of rivets. Fill
each rivet with a candidate product, and see how they fare.
Thoughts? Comments? It may be so nit-noy it isn't worth doing, but I sure
don't like the appearance of those heads.
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
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Jim B. Belcher
BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Instrument Rated Pilot
General Radio Telephone Certificate
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| Subject: | Re: Filling the rivet centre |
On Thursday 20 November 2008 08:28, jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
> If appearance is really that much of an issue, why not go all the way,
> replace all the rivets with flush rivets and fill all the holes?
>
> Just a thought.? It really doesn't concern me one bit, 'cause I built an
> airplane, not a museum piece.
>
My answer would apply only to me, and not to everyone else.
Having said that, I held off on the XL for a long time, because I didn't like
the look of the pulled rivets. One of the curses of age is that I can no
longer shoot or buck any significant number of standard rivets. It just plain
hurts. The vibration and shock of the rivet gun does unpleasant things to me.
That pretty much forced me into the arena of pulled rivets, and a pneumatic
puller.
Said another way, the aircraft I am able to build is significantly better than
the one I cannot build. :-)
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
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Jim B. Belcher
BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Instrument Rated Pilot
General Radio Telephone Certificate
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| Subject: | Re: Progress report |
Guys...Ron has finished both of his wings.
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/index.php?user=rlendon&project=113
Dave Clay
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| Subject: | Re: Filling the rivet centre |
Trust me... When you complete it or even get close to completion the look of those
pulled rivets won't bother you in the least.
As far as something filling the head and adding weight goes. Isn't that exactly
what you are suggesting doing?
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Progress report |
Well never mind then. The second wing is no big deal.
Just kidding. Every milestone is a big deal. As an example I shocked myself with
my planes own power for the first time last week.
TxDave wrote:
> Guys...Ron has finished both of his wings.
>
> http://www.mykitlog.com/users/index.php?user=rlendon&project=113
>
>
> Dave Clay
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Filling the rivet centre |
On Thursday 20 November 2008 16:18, Gig Giacona wrote:
>
> Trust me... When you complete it or even get close to completion the look
> of those pulled rivets won't bother you in the least.
>
> As far as something filling the head and adding weight goes. Isn't that
> exactly what you are suggesting doing?
Weight is a major reason I haven't jumped on this bandwagon with both feet
(other than time).
I've looked at completed XLs that Zenith had on display at Sun 'N Fun. Sorry,
the look of the pulled rivets does bother me. It may not bother me enough to
get me to add the weight and go through the hassle, though. :-)
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
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Jim B. Belcher
BS, MS Physics, math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Instrument Rated Pilot
General Radio Telephone Certificate
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| Subject: | Re: Off and running! |
Welcome to the fantastic voyage.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Progress report |
The wing tips are all metal, no plastic out there. I am a metal worker after all
and I just couldn't bring myself to use the plastic. The lights are positioned
so full coverage is given without needing the rudder tail light also.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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For those that are interested I made a set of gust locks for about $4 and a couple
hours of time. They fit between the flap and aileron on my XL wing.
There are some pictures on mykitlog
http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=0&log=65274&row=1
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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Hey builders, question. On 6-B-17 "4" Control stick torque tube where the control
column bolts onto the torque tube through the 1/4 in. bushing within a 3/8
in.welded bushing, what are the two bearing surfaces. The two bushings or the
bolt and small bushing? Hey, you think I've just confused you!!
Terry Turnquist
601-XL-Plans
St. Peters MO
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| Subject: | Plexiglass Scratch Repair... |
Dear Listers,
During the fitting of the Plexiglass canopy on my RV-8, I managed to put some pretty
disheartening scratches in the windscreen section. You can see from the
pictures that they looked pretty bad. A call to Van's revealed that a replacement
canopy would be $640 + $250 shipping to California! Ack.
So what to do... A bit of surfing and I found this "Scratch Off" windshield repair
kit for $35 on the Aircraft Spruce web site:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/scratchoff.php
Frankly, it just seemed too good to be true. Nothing for $35 could be that "magic"
I thought, but what did I have to lose at this point....
Well, the kit arrived yesterday and I decided to give it a try tonight. In a word:
WOW! In about 2 hours the windscreen looked as good as new - no kidding
- AS GOOD AS NEW! The pictures really don't do the repair justice. It looks
better in person.
There are basically two sponges in the kit with four decreasingly porous pastes.
You just put some of the first paste on the sponge and buff it in with a drill
at 1200 RPM or less. Then you wash everything down good including the sponge
and windshield with warm water. Then you use the next finer paste and repeat
the process. Etc, etc, until you've used the 4th paste that is kind of like
car wax.
Frankly, the scratches were gone after the first application of paste - I started
at #2 based on the instructions and the "observed severity" of the scratch
depth.
So, the bottom line is, if you've got scuffs or mild scratches in your Plexiglass
buy this repair kit. It works!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880
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